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Obama’s Budget Director: Powerful Rationing Panel (Not Doctors) Will Control Health Care Levels
Breitbart.tv Obama’s Budget Director: Powerful Rationing Panel (Not Doctors) Will Control Health Care Levels
Good reply to this report: From NamVetsWife 4/26/10: Wait…isn’t that just a euphemism for “DEATH PANEL”?!?!?!?!?! You ignorant Obama-trons! Look what your inability to look PAST the cover to find out what the REAL STORY was in “08! Way to go! Now, all of you, go see a good proctologist, and I’m CERTAIN they will be able to surgically remove your heads from your RECTAL CRATERS!
*shakes head in total disgust*
Stay healthy.
Breitbart.tv Obama’s Budget Director: Powerful Rationing Panel (Not Doctors) Will Control Health Care Levels
Good reply to this report: From NamVetsWife 4/26/10: Wait…isn’t that just a euphemism for “DEATH PANEL”?!?!?!?!?! You ignorant Obama-trons! Look what your inability to look PAST the cover to find out what the REAL STORY was in “08! Way to go! Now, all of you, go see a good proctologist, and I’m CERTAIN they will be able to surgically remove your heads from your RECTAL CRATERS!
*shakes head in total disgust*
Stay healthy.
False, and comically so because there is an actual section in the health care law (Section 3403) that prohibits rationing by name from this particular advisory board. Just read the law itself:
Conservative media revive "death panels" yet again with new, false target | Media Matters for America
I would think one irritating and obnoxious Canadian in the thread would be enough. :lol::lol:
Well guess what, looks like we all just might follow European's Health Care.
Guess What Greece Has To Jettison?
Policy Failure: Greece was told that if it wanted a bailout, it needed to consider privatizing its government health care system. So tell us again why the U.S. is following Europe's welfare state model.
Guess What Greece Has To Jettison? - IBD - Investors.com
Guess What Greece Has To Jettison?
Policy Failure: Greece was told that if it wanted a bailout, it needed to consider privatizing its government health care system. So tell us again why the U.S. is following Europe's welfare state model.
Guess What Greece Has To Jettison? - IBD - Investors.com
That's what everyone was doing when all this health controversy started. You have to compare it to something, and the worse case is a very good one to start with.
"Comparing nations' health care systems is a losing game"
Yes, but what if the people of one of the countries who can't get satisfactory care in their own country, and are desparate enough to go the the other country?
Any REAL example that it works BOTH ways?
Yes, but what if the people of one of the countries who can't get satisfactory care in their own country, and are desparate enough to go the the other country?
Any REAL example that it works BOTH ways?
That's not my recollection of events. I remember that the US health care reform debate started off quietly with bills introduced in both chambers of Congress, committee hearings being held, and then the merging of the different committees' bills. The only time the US HCR was compared to other countries was when critics would occasionally bring up Canada or the UK so they sneer at them. This attack by the critics of HCR stopped when it became apparent the US HCR wasn't anything like Canadaian or UK health care, and then critics moved on to some other line of attack in a futile, "grasping at straws" kind of way.
I do not remember reading about people leaving the U.S. to get treatment in Canada or Great Briton for that matter. I will concede though a few have left the U.S. for treatment in France and Germany. There are quite a few Canadians who have come to the U.S. for health care they either could not get in Canada or they thought was inferior there. U.S. health care can be very expensive for those who never thought about purchasing it or working for a company that offered it. (when your young, health care is not a priority) Now after we get old or come down with a major sickness it becomes a issue. I would like those who have no health care to be able to purchase a plan if they can afford it and a minimal health care plan offered to those who cannot afford one. I do not want to see the goverment get involved other than that.
Pelosi to Aspiring Musicians: Quit Your Job, Taxpayers Will Cover Your Health Care
Friday, May 14, 2010
By Nicholas Ballasy, Video Reporter
(CNSNews.com) - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said this week that thanks to the new health-care reform law musicians and other creative types could quit their jobs and focus on developing their talents because the taxpayers would fund their health care coverage.
CNSNews.com - Pelosi to Aspiring Musicians: Quit Your Job, Taxpayers Will Cover Your Health Care
Friday, May 14, 2010
By Nicholas Ballasy, Video Reporter
(CNSNews.com) - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said this week that thanks to the new health-care reform law musicians and other creative types could quit their jobs and focus on developing their talents because the taxpayers would fund their health care coverage.
CNSNews.com - Pelosi to Aspiring Musicians: Quit Your Job, Taxpayers Will Cover Your Health Care
CBO: Healthcare Bill Could Cost Billions More Than Expected
May 18, 2010 by Personal Liberty News Desk
The Obama administration’s newly passed healthcare reform bill could potentially cost $115 billion more than originally anticipated in its first 10 years of implementation, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) said last week.
Officials with the organization indicated that the modifications to the bill’s price tag are due to previously uncounted discretionary spending, including $34 billion for community health centers and $39 billion for Indian healthcare, The Associated Press (AP) reports. The revised figure also takes into account $10 billion to $20 billion in administrative costs for the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and the Department of Health and Human Services.
If Congress approves the discretionary spending in the bill, nearly all of the cost savings touted by the CBO in March would be eliminated.
House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said the new analysis of the bill "provides ample cause for alarm."
"The American people wanted one thing above all from health care reform: lower costs, which Washington Democrats promised, but they did not deliver," he added. "These revelations widen the serious credibility gap President Obama is facing."
Meanwhile, Kenneth Baer, spokesman for the White House budget agency, said that the president would make sure to offset any additional discretionary spending with cuts to other domestic programs to keep costs stable.
May 18, 2010 by Personal Liberty News Desk
Officials with the organization indicated that the modifications to the bill’s price tag are due to previously uncounted discretionary spending, including $34 billion for community health centers and $39 billion for Indian healthcare, The Associated Press (AP) reports. The revised figure also takes into account $10 billion to $20 billion in administrative costs for the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and the Department of Health and Human Services.
If Congress approves the discretionary spending in the bill, nearly all of the cost savings touted by the CBO in March would be eliminated.
House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said the new analysis of the bill "provides ample cause for alarm."
"The American people wanted one thing above all from health care reform: lower costs, which Washington Democrats promised, but they did not deliver," he added. "These revelations widen the serious credibility gap President Obama is facing."
Meanwhile, Kenneth Baer, spokesman for the White House budget agency, said that the president would make sure to offset any additional discretionary spending with cuts to other domestic programs to keep costs stable.
I've said it on here before, and I'll say it again. Americans don't pay attention to policy debates going on in Washington. Asking anything about repeal of a law will make a lot of Americans go, "Repeal? What do you mean?"
That means a poll like this is virtually meaningless. Even if 99% approved of "the health care bill", according to a poll, the poll would still be meaningless.
Also, this headline is completely false. It's not like the health care law suddenly will cost billions of more than expected. The figure that is being reported in this article is discretionary spending, which has always been a part of the bill. It's just now had a number attached to it.
Discretionary spending is when a law (in this case, the health care reform law) authorizes future spending at the discretion of future Congresses. If in the future Congress decides this spending is needed, they'll pass a resolution giving the money.
In practice, it'll be a future Congress passing an entire new law.
That means a poll like this is virtually meaningless. Even if 99% approved of "the health care bill", according to a poll, the poll would still be meaningless.
Also, this headline is completely false. It's not like the health care law suddenly will cost billions of more than expected. The figure that is being reported in this article is discretionary spending, which has always been a part of the bill. It's just now had a number attached to it.
Discretionary spending is when a law (in this case, the health care reform law) authorizes future spending at the discretion of future Congresses. If in the future Congress decides this spending is needed, they'll pass a resolution giving the money.
In practice, it'll be a future Congress passing an entire new law.
Really? You don't think a government entitlement can suddenly cost a lot more than what was originally sold to the public? It is a very good thing that the Democrats have people like you in their party.
By chance is that number very high? Higher than what was originally reported if it was even reported at all?
So they will be spending billions more than they intended to.
Well hopefully a future congress can simply make mandatory purchasing of health care illegal and the bill is squashed.
Sure a government entitlement can suddenly cost a lot more than what was originally sold to the public (anything's possible), but this current topic of discretionary spending in the health care reform law isn't an example of that. This discretionary spending has always been a part of HCR, and the way HCR was sold to the public.
If you're going to make the case that HCR is suddenly more expensive than what was planned, you're going to have to actually provide evidence of that.
Besides, even if this discretionary spending is used in the future (and that's a big if), it'll be the cost of an entirely new law. It'll be no more an extra hidden cost of the 2010 health care law than, say, a spending bill for the Afghan War is an extra hidden cost for the 2010 health care law.
Who knows? If Congress in the future does use this discretionary spending, it may offset it completely by cutting spending somewhere else.
Obama's Nominee to Run Medicare: 'The Decision is Not Whether or Not We Will Ration Care--The Decision is Whether We Will Ration Care With Our Eyes Open'
Monday, May 24, 2010
By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer
Sen. Pat Roberts (R.-Kan.) sponsored an amendment to the health-care reconciliation bill that would have repealed the new tax on medical devices included in the health care law signed by President Obama.
(CNSNews.com) – President Barack Obama’s nominee to head the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which runs Medicare, is a strong supporter of the government-run health care system in Britain, who said in a 2009 interview about Comparative Effectiveness Research: “The decision is not whether or not we will ration care--the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open.”
CNSNews.com - Obama's Nominee to Run Medicare: 'The Decision is Not Whether or Not We Will Ration Care--The Decision is Whether We Will Ration Care With Our Eyes Open'
Monday, May 24, 2010
By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer
Sen. Pat Roberts (R.-Kan.) sponsored an amendment to the health-care reconciliation bill that would have repealed the new tax on medical devices included in the health care law signed by President Obama.
(CNSNews.com) – President Barack Obama’s nominee to head the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which runs Medicare, is a strong supporter of the government-run health care system in Britain, who said in a 2009 interview about Comparative Effectiveness Research: “The decision is not whether or not we will ration care--the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open.”
CNSNews.com - Obama's Nominee to Run Medicare: 'The Decision is Not Whether or Not We Will Ration Care--The Decision is Whether We Will Ration Care With Our Eyes Open'