2010 Stanley Cup Predictions And Why

JLM

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Ye gods, you Canuck fans are broken records whining about "weaker schedules" and weaker/stronger conferences. Sometimes it works out that way. Did Canuck fans complain about it all these years the Oilers have been roadkill? Or when the Avs were struggling the last couple seasons? Or when the Flames haven't been good enough to make the post season? Where was the whining when Detroit could coast to a Presidents trophy in the years Columbus, Chicago, Phoenix and St Louis all made up the rest of the weakest division (by far) in hockey? There wasn't any because the fact of the matter is even bad teams can play you tough and just fall short in the end.

Actually I wasn't whining, I was just trying to give the proper perpective to those who are overwhelmed by Washington's apparent stellar record for the regular season. Yep, same thing applied to Detroit last year which I pointed out at the time too.
 

talloola

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Ye gods, you Canuck fans are broken records whining about "weaker schedules" and weaker/stronger conferences. Sometimes it works out that way. Did Canuck fans complain about it all these years the Oilers have been roadkill? Or when the Avs were struggling the last couple seasons? Or when the Flames haven't been good enough to make the post season? Where was the whining when Detroit could coast to a Presidents trophy in the years Columbus, Chicago, Phoenix and St Louis all made up the rest of the weakest division (by far) in hockey? There wasn't any because the fact of the matter is even bad teams can play you tough and just fall short in the end.

yeah we did whine a lot when detroit was so strong, in a
weak division.
those are actually facts, and they do change from time to
time, but they are real, and if washington had been in the
north west division, or even in the western conference,
they would have had a tougher time, those are the facts 'at
this time', when they change we will talk about the new
facts.

I don't think montreal will prevail, (sure hope they do),
but washington is getting a lesson in the defensive side
of the game, which they are not very good at, and it is
good for them, will teach them (their coach) to play a
more balanced style of hockey, as playoffs are for the
strong at heart, and show the true game of hockey, which
includes playing 'very well' without the puck.

Canucks have battled in a very tough north west division
for a long time, this year the depth crumpled, that's just
the way it goes, but when one is down another rises.

There will be teams every year who have it easier in their
divisions, this year washington had it easy, and that isn't
necessarily good for them.
 

Icarus27k

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As I recall, Washington did really well when they faced teams from other divisions and the Western Conference.

I would agree with you if there was an obvious difference between Washington's performance against their Southeast Division colleagues and non-Southeast teams, but there's not.
 

talloola

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As I recall, Washington did really well when they faced teams from other divisions and the Western Conference.

I would agree with you if there was an obvious difference between Washington's performance against their Southeast Division colleagues and non-Southeast teams, but there's not.

yeah I noticed that, as I expected ovetchkin to run away
with the art ross trophy right near the end of the season
when teams are playing within their own conference and
division, but he didn't do much right at the end, and
henrik got enough points to stay ahead of him.

And, yes I would expect washington to hold their own anywhere
in the NHL, they have lots of fire power, I wouldn't ever think
they would play the west and shrivel up.
 

JLM

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yeah we did whine a lot when detroit was so strong, in a
weak division.
those are actually facts, and they do change from time to
time, but they are real, and if washington had been in the
north west division, or even in the western conference,
they would have had a tougher time, those are the facts 'at
this time', when they change we will talk about the new
facts.

I don't think montreal will prevail, (sure hope they do),
but washington is getting a lesson in the defensive side
of the game, which they are not very good at, and it is
good for them, will teach them (their coach) to play a
more balanced style of hockey, as playoffs are for the
strong at heart, and show the true game of hockey, which
includes playing 'very well' without the puck.

Canucks have battled in a very tough north west division
for a long time, this year the depth crumpled, that's just
the way it goes, but when one is down another rises.

There will be teams every year who have it easier in their
divisions, this year washington had it easy, and that isn't
necessarily good for them.

Yeah, Montreal is going to prevail Talloola..............trust me...........:smile::smile:
 

wulfie68

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As I recall, Washington did really well when they faced teams from other divisions and the Western Conference.

I would agree with you if there was an obvious difference between Washington's performance against their Southeast Division colleagues and non-Southeast teams, but there's not.

As I've said repeatedly, a lot of Washington's reputation of strength comes from their shootout wins, which cannot happen in the playoffs...
 

Icarus27k

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Based upon my preliminary review of regular season games, I don't see much difference in the Caps' shoot outs and everybody else's. I just picked three NHL teams randomly and compared their shootouts to the Caps.

The Washington Capitals had 10 games out of 82 end in shootouts. And they won 8 of those 10.

The San Jose Sharks had 11 games out of 82 end in shootouts. And they won 6 of those 11.

The New Jersey Devils had 11 games out of 82 end in shootouts. They won 6 out of the 11.

The Montreal Canadiens had 12 games out of 82 end in shootouts, and they won 8 of those twelve.
 

talloola

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Based upon my preliminary review of regular season games, I don't see much difference in the Caps' shoot outs and everybody else's. I just picked three NHL teams randomly and compared their shootouts to the Caps.

The Washington Capitals had 10 games out of 82 end in shootouts. And they won 8 of those 10.

The San Jose Sharks had 11 games out of 82 end in shootouts. And they won 6 of those 11.

The New Jersey Devils had 11 games out of 82 end in shootouts. They won 6 out of the 11.

The Montreal Canadiens had 12 games out of 82 end in shootouts, and they won 8 of those twelve.

yes, those particular teams to compare, but phoenix had
many shoot out wins, made a big difference in their points,
and they can't depend on that stat to help them in playoffs.
 

JLM

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Coyotes' goose is cooked.. Too bad. Now the question is who is the more formidable between San Jose and Detroit?
 

talloola

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Coyotes' goose is cooked.. Too bad. Now the question is who is the more formidable between San Jose and Detroit?

should be a great series, I give detroit the nod, but only
if howard plays well, he is a young goalie, never played in
playoffs before, so hopefully he is solid.
 

Icarus27k

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Have we agreed that a team cannot be as good as the Caps are by simply being a tough team in a weak division? Sure it helps, but there has to be some more objective merits there too.
 

talloola

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Have we agreed that a team cannot be as good as the Caps are by simply being a tough team in a weak division? Sure it helps, but there has to be some more objective merits there too.

I stated exactly that point above a ways, the caps would
hold their own anywhere in the NHL throughout the season,
and will probably beat montreal tomorrow, but the game must
be played first.

I appreciate the offensive power in washington, but I don't
like the way they play, always trying to barge through on
the rush, and actually ovetchkin often looks like a beer
league player, and is stopped by good defense, they just
don't have a lot of strategy, guess they didn't need it
throughout the season.

I'll eat my words if they go on to win the stanley cup,
but I think there are many teams playing right now who
will defeat them, because of their lack of balance.

philly/boston/pitts are all better on defense, then of
course there is washington's goalie, not the best, but
throughout the season, they used their offense as their
best defense, I don't think that will work very well in
the playoffs, we'll see.
 

Icarus27k

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thestar.com mobile: article

"In Game 7, Ovechkin now needs to demonstrate a will not to be denied and an ability to lead.

If he doesn't, he might be playing for his country again (at the world championships in Germany) a lot sooner than he would ever have imagined."




Ew, apparently the dark side of the NHL: If the racehorse doesn't perform, they get sent to the glue factory.

A little too "life or death" set of consequences for what is ultimately just a game.
 

wulfie68

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thestar.com mobile: article

"In Game 7, Ovechkin now needs to demonstrate a will not to be denied and an ability to lead.

If he doesn't, he might be playing for his country again (at the world championships in Germany) a lot sooner than he would ever have imagined."




Ew, apparently the dark side of the NHL: If the racehorse doesn't perform, they get sent to the glue factory.

A little too "life or death" set of consequences for what is ultimately just a game.

How is playing at the World Championships "being sent to the glue factory"? True, we don't hold much interest for that tournament, largely because the conflict with the NHL playoffs means many of the best players in the world WON'T be there, but there are still a lot of NHLers that participate in it. Even though they'd all rather be playing for the Stanley Cup (the pinacle achievement of their profession), its an honor to represent your country if you can't...
 

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Have already programmed my channel for the Montreal game tonight. Wish I had a jersey to don for the game. Can't believe how exciting the play-offs are. Go, Montreal, Go!