oldest religion !!

[Downhome_Woman]

Red Indians also call God: "the Great Spirit".
So the Creator is called (gitchii manidoo) according to this Anishinaabe people.

The question now: is the Creator (gitchii manidoo) the creator of all peoples and nations? Or He created the Anishinaabeg people only?

Does it really matter? If I look at YOUR religion, it tells me that the Q'ran was written - and Islam was given to ARabs only.
"And thus: We have revealed to you a Quran in Arabic so that you may warn the Foremost of all towns and those who dwell around it, and may warn of the Day of Gathering, which is beyond all doubt. One group will be in the Garden, and one group will be in the Flames." (Quran 42:7)


2. To explain it without any want of clarity, distinctness or perspicuousness

وَلَوْ جَعَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا أَعْجَمِيًّا لَقَالُوا لَوْلا فُصِّلَتْ آيَاتُهُ أَأَعْجَمِيٌّ وَعَرَبِيٌّ قُلْ هُوَ لِلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا هُدًى وَشِفَاءٌ وَالَّذِينَ لا يُؤْمِنُونَ فِي آذَانِهِمْ وَقْرٌ وَهُوَ عَلَيْهِمْ عَمًى أُولَئِكَ يُنَادَوْنَ مِنْ مَكَانٍ بَعِيدٍ

"Now if We had made it a Quran in a non-Arabic tongue they would surely have said, "Why is it that its verses have not been made clear? Why - a foreign tongue and an Arab?" Say, "For those who accept it, this is a Guidance and medicine for a wholesome life. But as for those who will not believe (Arabs or non-Arabs), in their ears is deafness, and so it remains obscure to them. They are like people who are called to from afar." (Quran 41:44). In other words, the 'truth' (as you believe it)is in Arabic - for Arabs only. They are the ONLY ones who truly understand your 'prophet's message. All the others who converted but can't read the 'true' Q'ran , as they don't understand Arabic? They aren't real Muslims. The only way one can be a 'true Muslim', by your holy book, is if they can actually read Arabic. All other translations of the Q'ran are less.Face it. Isl;am was made for the Arabic peoples. When they invaded and forced the conversions of non-Arabic peoples, they were actually being very un-Islamic. How can you bring people to the faith if they can't speak or read Arabic? Come to think about it, your 'prophet' was illiterate - he couldn't even proof read what his minions wrote ....
OK - go ahead --- stone me, I'm an uppity Kafir woman ..... but guess what - I fight back ....

 

[L Gilbert]

Red Indians also call God: "the Great Spirit".

Is that any relation to green Indians, pink Indians, yellow Indians, grey Indians, etc.?

So the Creator is called (gitchii manidoo) according to this Anishinaabe people.

What a clever deduction.

The question now: is the Creator (gitchii manidoo) the creator of all peoples and nations? Or He created the Anishinaabeg people only?

Nations are a human concept and a human construction. As there are "peoples" being deleted and originated as needed, Gitchy Manitou oversees all things including humans to keep a balance.
Anna can explain this a lot better than I can but it's pretty involved. Quite a bit deeper than Christianity or Islam and their shallow beliefs.

 

[eanassir]

No god but God alone: the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

What I mean is that all nations and peoples know God Almighty: the Creator, but may call Him by other names.

What the atheist and the enemy of God try to do: is they claim the religion is invention of the ancient man because of his fear of thunder and other nature factors, so he invented the religion to assure himself that such god of his religion would certainly protect him from the thunder, storms, dangers ...etc.

But the truth is opposite this.

Certainly all peoples and nations know God, and the essential religion was the religion of God: to worship and glorify God Almighty: the Creator and Most Gracious and Most Kind.

And the polytheism and idolatry came as distortion of this religion of God.
The religion of God is to glorify and worship God alone without associate: and this actually is The First Commandment

 

[SirJosephPorter]

No god but God alone: the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

What I mean is that all nations and peoples know God Almighty: the Creator, but may call Him by other names.

What the atheist and the enemy of God try to do: is they claim the religion is invention of the ancient man because of his fear of thunder and other nature factors, so he invented the religion to assure himself that such god of his religion would certainly protect him from the thunder, storms, dangers ...etc.

But the truth is opposite this.

Really? And how do you know what the truth is? Did God tell you that? Did he also tell you that it is OK to stone women to death, to treat women as sub human (one man equals two women)? Then that is not God, that is the worst tyrant, dictator humanity has ever seen.

 

[eanassir]

the Q'ran was written - and Islam was given to ARabs only.

The Quran is in Arabic, and the translation of its interpretation is in many languages​

God - be glorified - revealed the Torah to Moses in Hebrew which was the language of Moses and his people; if He revealed it in another language, would they understand it?

God revealed the Gospel to Jesus in Aramaic, which was the language of Jesus and his people at their time; if He revealed it in another language, would they understand it?

God in fact sent His apostles to all nation; each apostle spoke the language of his own people: so that they might understand what he said to them.

(We did not send any messenger [before you, O Mohammed] but [to teach] in the language of his [own] people, in order to explain to them.)

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلاَّ بِلِسَانِ قَوْمِهِ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَهُمْ​

The above between brackets is the explanation by Mohammed-Ali Hassan of the Quran aya 14: 4


So the Quran was revealed in Arabic; because the apostle Mohammed was one of the Arab, and his people were Arab who spoke Arabic; would He reveal it to them in German then?


It was revealed in Arabic in order to let Mohammed's people understand it.


This is understood from many ayat in the Quran like this aya 12: 2

إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ ..الخ​

The explanation:
(We have revealed it, an Arabic Quran; haply you [people] may understand.​

We do relate to you [Mohammed] the best of stories, by revealing this Quran to you; though before it you were among the ignorant [about such stories.])​

2 – At the start, the message of Prophet Mohammed concerned his near kindred and his near tribesmen,
then it was directed to the city of Mecca and the villages around it,
then concerned the region of Hijaz in Arabia,
then all Arabia,
then it concerned all people all over the world, the Arab and the non-Arab.
And now it is directed to all nations and all peoples: man-kind and genie-kind.
Q:34

This is understood from many ayat in the Quran like this aya 34: 28​

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِلَّا كَافَّةً لِّلنَّاسِ بَشِيرًا وَنَذِيرًا​

The explanation:
(We have sent you [Mohammed] only as a bearer of glad tidings and a warner to all mankind.)​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/
​

 

[selin]

You may be surprised, but I actually agree with you, Islam is very old. Well, at least the Islamic God, Allah is very old. Originally, Allah was a Hindu Goddess. There is an Upanishad (Hindu Holy Scripture) called Allopanishad, devoted to Allah.

During the time of Mohammed, people in Middle East used to worship all kinds of Gods including Allah. Somehow Allah had migrated from ancient India to Middle East. Mohammed told people that Allah is the only true God. He told them to stop worshipping other Gods and worship only Allah. So Allah clearly predates Mohammed and Islam.

So yes, at least the Islamic God (Allah) is a very old God, a Hindu Goddess. Incidentally, the word ‘Arab’ itself is of Hindu origin. It comes from Sanskrit word ‘Arva’, meaning horse. In the old days, Middle East was famous for its horses.


Hare Allah - Islamic Hindu Vedic Origin - Topix


Some people wrongly believe that Arabs used the word Hindu as a term of contemptuous abuse. Nothing could be further from the truth. The people of pre-Islamic Arabia held Hinduism in great esteem as evidenced from the fact that they would endearingly call their most attractive and favourite daughters as Hinda and Saifi Hindi. The fact that Arabs regarded India as their spiritual and cultural motherland long before the damaging influence of Islam is corroborated by the following poem which mentions each one of the four Vedas by nameThe English translation is in black)

"Aya muwarekal araj yushaiya noha
minar HIND-e
Wa aradakallaha
manyonaifail jikaratun"

hııım really good theory ... but it is just a theory.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

hııım really good theory ... but it is just a theory.

All we have is theories. We won't know the truth beyond all doubt unless we can travel back in time.

 

[selin]

All we have is theories. We won't know the truth beyond all doubt unless we can travel back in time.

if we know all the truth , we cannot call the belief in God as faith

 

[eanassir]

Really? And how do you know what the truth is? Did God tell you that? Did he also tell you that it is OK to stone women to death, to treat women as sub human (one man equals two women)? Then that is not God, that is the worst tyrant, dictator humanity has ever seen.

Your words in dark blue:
Really?
Yes, really.

And how do you know what the truth is?
Do you then know the truth? How did you assert that man was afraid in the cave and invented the religion?

Did God tell you that?
Yes, He told me that; as in the Quran 2: 213

كَانَ النَّاسُ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً فَبَعَثَ اللّهُ النَّبِيِّينَ مُبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ وَأَنزَلَ مَعَهُمُ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ لِيَحْكُمَ بَيْنَ النَّاسِ فِيمَا اخْتَلَفُواْ فِيهِ وَمَا اخْتَلَفَ فِيهِ إِلاَّ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوهُ مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَاءتْهُمُ الْبَيِّنَاتُ بَغْيًا بَيْنَهُمْ فَهَدَى اللّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لِمَا اخْتَلَفُواْ فِيهِ مِنَ الْحَقِّ بِإِذْنِهِ وَاللّهُ يَهْدِي مَن يَشَاء إِلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ​

The explanation:
(People were one nation [of monotheists at the time of Adam, then afterwards they differed, deviated and contradicted the devotion to God alone],

and God sent prophets with the glad tidings [to those that believe] and the warning [to those that associate,

and sent down the [Heavenly] Scripture with them, indicating the true [religion];

that the [prophet] might judge people concerning their deviation [from monotheism];

but none deviated therefrom save those [religious leaders] given the [Scripture] even after the manifest [signs] had come to them,

due to their 'greed and their wronging each other';

so God, with His permission, guided the believers to the truth from which they deviated;

for God guides whom He pleases to a standard path [of monotheism and exclusive devotion to the Most Gracious.]





www.quran-ayat.com

 

[AnnaG]

Red Indians also call God: "the Great Spirit".
So the Creator is called (gitchii manidoo) according to this Anishinaabe people.

The question now: is the Creator (gitchii manidoo) the creator of all peoples and nations? Or He created the Anishinaabeg people only?

I guess you missed a post. Read this:

They call the creator an Anishinaabe word (gitchii manidoo) that translates into English as "Great Spirit". It's a spirit, so humans cannot know what all its traits are.

Anishinaabe traditional beliefs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AnnaG]

No god but God alone: the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

What I mean is that all nations and peoples know God Almighty: the Creator, but may call Him by other names.

Wrong.Not all gods are the same and not all people have the same gods. What you said is only your wishful thinking. What you say is true is not necessarily true.

What the atheist and the enemy of God try to do: is they claim the religion is invention of the ancient man because of his fear of thunder and other nature factors, so he invented the religion to assure himself that such god of his religion would certainly protect him from the thunder, storms, dangers ...etc.

But the truth is opposite this.

Certainly all peoples and nations know God, and the essential religion was the religion of God: to worship and glorify God Almighty: the Creator and Most Gracious and Most Kind.

And the polytheism and idolatry came as distortion of this religion of God.
The religion of God is to glorify and worship God alone without associate: and this actually is The First Commandment

And what you say is not true, is often quite true.

To some people, what you say is nice, but it is still only a guess.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

Your words in dark blue:
Really?
Yes, really.

And how do you know what the truth is?
Do you then know the truth? How did you assert that man was afraid in the cave and invented the religion?

Did God tell you that?
Yes, He told me that; as in the Quran 2: 213

كَانَ النَّاسُ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً فَبَعَثَ اللّهُ النَّبِيِّينَ مُبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ وَأَنزَلَ مَعَهُمُ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ لِيَحْكُمَ بَيْنَ النَّاسِ فِيمَا اخْتَلَفُواْ فِيهِ وَمَا اخْتَلَفَ فِيهِ إِلاَّ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوهُ مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَاءتْهُمُ الْبَيِّنَاتُ بَغْيًا بَيْنَهُمْ فَهَدَى اللّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لِمَا اخْتَلَفُواْ فِيهِ مِنَ الْحَقِّ بِإِذْنِهِ وَاللّهُ يَهْدِي مَن يَشَاء إِلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ​

The explanation:
(People were one nation [of monotheists at the time of Adam, then afterwards they differed, deviated and contradicted the devotion to God alone],

and God sent prophets with the glad tidings [to those that believe] and the warning [to those that associate,

and sent down the [Heavenly] Scripture with them, indicating the true [religion];

that the [prophet] might judge people concerning their deviation [from monotheism];

but none deviated therefrom save those [religious leaders] given the [Scripture] even after the manifest [signs] had come to them,

due to their 'greed and their wronging each other';

so God, with His permission, guided the believers to the truth from which they deviated;

for God guides whom He pleases to a standard path [of monotheism and exclusive devotion to the Most Gracious.]





www.quran-ayat.com

Simply AMAZING! SJP presents you with specific things that Islam allows,and sasks you if your Allah really tells you to do these things and here I'll paste his remarks so you know what I am referring to: "Really? And how do you know what the truth is? Did God tell you that? Did he also tell you that it is OK to stone women to death, to treat women as sub human (one man equals two women)? Then that is not God, that is the worst tyrant, dictator humanity has ever seen."
You NEVER gave a REAL thought with your response. You just blindly cut and pasted some drivel from your mentor or your on-line Quran. Heaven forbid you should actually write your OWN thoughts.You didn't even address what he wrote!
Tell me something. In your OWN words - not the words of your mentor or some cut and paste from an on-line Quran, but your own thoughts - let us know what you think about the subjugation of women in the Islamic world - the so-called 'honour killings', the acceptance of female genital mutilation by muslim clerics, the overall lack of power over their own lives, of women in the Islamic world. Bet that won't happen - you'd burst an artery before you'd actually utter an original thought.
See here's the difference between your Allah and my creator. MY creator made both man and woman in his own image - that means that I have no need to be ashamed of my body or cover it up. If your gender finds my image attractive and can't control itself? That's on your weakness - not on me. You weak men should cover your eyes, not make me walk in darkness..
MY creator gave me a brain that is in his image - I shouldn't have to have another woman stand beside me in witness, to equal the witness of one man. when your 'prophet' decided that, he was second guessing the value of that which his creator made. Some prophet.And you wonder why we aren't flocking to worship your Allah and his 'prophet?
1/ He tells many of the people he preaches to (women) that they are lesser creatures - and should accept and be happy being such.
2/ Even though women were created by God as were men, your 'prophet' is essentially saying that Allah made a bunch of mistakes when he created women - and they are inferior.
I always thought that religion was supposed to uplift people. All Islam does for women is tell them that they are less. Sorry - life throws me enough garbage. I don't need to actually willingly go and coat myself with it. Islam might be great religion for men who don't think much of women, but as a woman - it sucks.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

Nope. It's only the first to write stuff down.

Yup - and just because you are the first to write it down doesn't make you the oldest. Oral tradition is very important - and accurate. Not to mention the fact that many did not feel the need to write things down - they believed that things would always be as they were - there was no 'need' to write things down.
And while I realize that when it comes to religion, that the sun rises and sets on the Hindu world for SJP, but in the real world, is it as wonderful as he opines? So what if Hinduism is the oldest - is it better? Think of the things that it has condoned - the caste system, the treatment of women and girls - the exclusion of the world that is not Hind. Sorry. Just because you are older, doesn't mean you are wiser or better.

 

[eanassir]

Wrong.Not all gods are the same and not all people have the same gods. What you said is only your wishful thinking. What you say is true is not necessarily true.

I asked you about your people (all peoples are the same in this respect): Does your poeple know there is a Creator of the universe? And you answered: yes, they call Him: (gitchii manidoo).

Therefore, the Creator is called (gitchii manidoo) by your people,
Red Indians call the Creator: the Great Spirit.
Philosophically He is the Supreme Being.
Khodah is His name in Persian and Kurdish.
Allah is His name in Arabic.
God is His name in English.
Yahweh is His glorious name in Hebrew.

[The following might be the names of the Creator with various ancient nations:
Sumerians might have called Him: An or il
Babylonian: Anu or il
Ancient Egyptians: might have called Him: Ammon
The ancient Greek: might have called Him: Zeus
Japanese : might have called Him: Izanagi ]​

And according to SJP, the name of God with the Indians might be Brahma?

This proves all peoples know there is a Creator of the universe; I don't mean you or some atheists here; but this is generally speaking.

Most people know God the Creator, but may think God is in heaven so that He is far from them, then they need some objective nearby idols or gods on earth to ask of them and to assure their fear ...etc.

So this is the idolatry, which at the start might have been the glorifying and sanctifying of The patron saint, then they made some statues (idols) for these patron saints, imams and religious men --> which became the idolatry at every period of time; and this explains the appearance of the large number of idols and gods in addition to the major God the Creator ( which is named by different names by the different nations )

The patron saint comes under the pretext of the intercession or redeeming.

This is in general the way in which the idolatry and the association with God evolve.

 

[AnnaG]

I asked you about your people (all peoples are the same in this respect): Does your poeple know there is a Creator of the universe? And you answered: yes, they call Him: (gitchii manidoo).

Therefore, the Creator is called (gitchii manidoo) by your people,
Red Indians call the Creator: the Great Spirit.
Philosophically He is the Supreme Being.
Khodah is His name in Persian and Kurdish.
Allah is His name in Arabic.
God is His name in English.
Yahweh is His glorious name in Hebrew.

[The following might be the names of the Creator with various ancient nations:
Sumerians might have called Him: An or il
Babylonian: Anu or il
Ancient Egyptians: might have called Him: Ammon
The ancient Greek: might have called Him: Zeus
Japanese : might have called Him: Izanagi ]​

So who is the arrogant moron that says these gods are all the same god?According to the writings of each of these people none of these gods have the same character and personality.
​

And according to SJP, the name of God with the Indians might be Brahma?

So what?

This proves all peoples know there is a Creator of the universe; I don't mean you or some atheists here; but this is generally speaking.

Nonsense. All that proves is that people think and say there are creators. The creator that my people prayed to sounds nothing like the cruel creep that Christians and Muslims pray to.

 

[eanassir]

So who is the arrogant moron that says these gods are all the same god?

​

These names imply the Creator in different languages: they are synonyms of the Creator in many languages. Have you received the idea? ​

According to the writings of each of these people none of these gods have the same character and personality.

​

If you ask many Christians about God: they will give you different explanation. So although God is the Same One, but their understanding of this God is different.
Some say: God is the Almighty and the Creator; others will say: God is Jesus; and still others will say God is three parts combined together, and so on.​

And if you ask your people about the Creator as you named Him (gitchii manidoo), they will give you various explanations.​

And if you ask Muslims or Jews about the Creator, they will also give you many explanations.​

But this does not make Him other than the Creator according to various cultures and religions. ​

All that proves is that people think and say there are creators.

​

You said it: people think and say there is the Creator, and they name Him according to their different languages by various names. ​

The creator that my people prayed to sounds nothing like the cruel creep that Christians and Muslims pray to.

​

As I said: the Creator is the same, and has different names according to their various languages. ​

(But [O believers,] dispute not [concerning the religion] with the People of the Bible [Jews and Christians] unless it be in [a way] that is better [than theirs], ​

except such of them as do wrong [because the disputing will be suseless with such wrong-doers]; ​

and say [to those among them who are not wrong-doers]:
"We believe in [the Quran] that has been revealed to us and [the Book] revealed to you,
our God and your God is [the same] One,
and to Him we have surrendered [lit. Muslims")​

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 29: 46​

وَلَا تُجَادِلُوا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ إِلَّا بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِلَّا الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا مِنْهُمْ وَقُولُوا آمَنَّا بِالَّذِي أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَأُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُمْ وَإِلَهُنَا وَإِلَهُكُمْ وَاحِدٌ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[AnnaG]

These names imply the Creator in different languages: they are synonyms of the Creator in many languages. Have you received the idea?​

No. I have seen nothing that shows the idea that all these creators are one in the same.
​

If you ask many Christians about God: they will give you different explanation. So although God is the Same One, but their understanding of this God is different.
Some say: God is the Almighty and the Creator; others will say: God is Jesus; and still others will say God is three parts combined together, and so on.​

And if you ask your people about the Creator as you named Him (gitchii manidoo), they will give you various explanations.​

And if you ask Muslims or Jews about the Creator, they will also give you many explanations.​

But this does not make Him other than the Creator according to various cultures and religions.​

It's just an idea. Your opinion is just an idea, too. There is no evidence that indicates which idea is right.
​

You said it: people think and say there is the Creator, and they name Him according to their different languages by various names.

​

As I said: the Creator is the same, and has different names according to their various languages.​

That is your opinion. I have a different opinion. There is no evidence that either of us are correct.
​

(

But [O believers,] dispute not [concerning the religion] with the People of the Bible [Jews and Christians] unless it be in [a way] that is better [than theirs],

except such of them as do wrong [because the disputing will be suseless with such wrong-doers]; ​

and say [to those among them who are not wrong-doers]:
"We believe in [the Quran] that has been revealed to us and [the Book] revealed to you,
our God and your God is [the same] One,
and to Him we have surrendered [lit. Muslims")​

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 29: 46​

وَلَا تُجَادِلُوا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ إِلَّا بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِلَّا الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا مِنْهُمْ وَقُولُوا آمَنَّا بِالَّذِي أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَأُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُمْ وَإِلَهُنَا وَإِلَهُكُمْ وَاحِدٌ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

Words.

 

[eanassir]

No. I have seen nothing that shows the idea that all these creators are one in the same.

Leave names, and consider this:
I saw a Korean football player, when he scored a goal, he lifted up his face to heaven and held his hands together in gratitude; to Whom was he grateful?

Another point: if man is in danger and distress, to Whom would he pray and call on to save him from his distress and danger?

(And when distress touches you at the sea, [all] those to whom you pray will be forgotten, except Him; but when He bought you safe to the land, you turned away [being averse]; surely, man is ever unthankful.)

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 17: 67​

وَإِذَا مَسَّكُمُ الْضُّرُّ فِي الْبَحْرِ ضَلَّ مَن تَدْعُونَ إِلاَّ إِيَّاهُ فَلَمَّا نَجَّاكُمْ إِلَى الْبَرِّ أَعْرَضْتُمْ وَكَانَ الإِنْسَانُ كَفُورًا​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[AnnaG]

Leave names, and consider this:
I saw a Korean football player, when he scored a goal, he lifted up his face to heaven and held his hands together in gratitude; to Whom was he grateful?

The god of clouds. The stars. The moon. Who knows? He could just as well be thanking your god, Satan, aliens, or just thanking himself for having the ability to score the goal.

Another point: if man is in danger and distress, to Whom would he pray and call on to save him from his distress and danger?

Obviously, gods don't give a damn, so his best bet would be to dial 911 or something.

(

And when distress touches you at the sea, [all] those to whom you pray will be forgotten, except Him; but when He bought you safe to the land, you turned away [being averse]; surely, man is ever unthankful.)

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 17: 67​

وَإِذَا مَسَّكُمُ الْضُّرُّ فِي الْبَحْرِ ضَلَّ مَن تَدْعُونَ إِلاَّ إِيَّاهُ فَلَمَّا نَجَّاكُمْ إِلَى الْبَرِّ أَعْرَضْتُمْ وَكَانَ الإِنْسَانُ كَفُورًا​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

blah blah blah

 

[eanassir]

Leave names, and consider this:

I saw a Korean football player, when he scored a goal, he lifted up his face to heaven and held his hands together in gratitude; to Whom was he grateful?

The god of clouds. The stars. The moon. Who knows? He could just as well be thanking your god, Satan, aliens, or just thanking himself for having the ability to score the goal.

Not at all, but in spite of you, that man was grateful to God Most Gracious, when he lifted his face up to heaven and showed gratitude.

Another point: if man is in danger and distress, to Whom would he pray and call on to save him from his distress and danger?

Obviously, gods don't give a damn, so his best bet would be to dial 911 or something.

In spite of you, all people (including the atheist) in danger supplicate their God: the Creator Most Gracious and they forget at that time about all their atheism and disbelief.

(And when distress touches you at the sea, [all] those to whom you pray will be forgotten, except Him; ​

[In distress, you supplicate God alone, with His name in your language, and forget about all your false gods and idols]​

but when He bought you safe to the land, you turned away [being averse and return to your idolatry]; ​

surely, man is ever unthankful.)​

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 17: 67​

وَإِذَا مَسَّكُمُ الْضُّرُّفِي الْبَحْرِ ضَلَّ مَن تَدْعُونَ إِلاَّ إِيَّاهُ فَلَمَّا نَجَّاكُمْ إِلَىالْبَرِّ أَعْرَضْتُمْ وَكَانَ الإِنْسَانُ كَفُورًا​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/
​