9/11 Conspiracy Theories Debunked - Video

[MHz]

Nope. I am saying that it is possible to doctor (edit) videos. Simulations are nothing but editing.
Ain't mine. I don't smoke but you carry on if you like. Or is booze your thing?

Odd that a desire for both increases the nearer you get. lol Few puffs a day and 4 cheers a day (of the 7% variety, Smirnoff Triple Black) in the off season. During business hours nothing as everybody should get home in the same condition they arrived in. No place for piss-tanks and star-gazers. Drinking and kids never works until they are old enough to pull you in the wagon. lol
The point they were trying to stress is that next to rebuilding the tower this is as close as you will come to a replay of what happened inside the building. Since you don't mind this topic too much with your chart what would be the starting strength of a 30ft section of the inner core box columns when all the bracing is taken into account, including the rebar that would run from the core to the perimeter in every concrete floor slab in the tower. Rather than just some pieces thrown in randomly. Light weight concrete is smaller rock size, rebar is still a large strength factor in a 'lightweight floor', all those connections would have made each floor equal to a steel net. Now heat the inner core till molten steel is running out of the building and all that rebar in the floor is going to heat up the concrete so it is almost exploding by itself.

The OP simulation doesn't account fot the concrete being able to act as a heat sink, to get the steel to that temperature you would also have to have the floor at that temperature. That 800 deg would have made paper in the aboce floor burst into flames by itself , 450 deg.

I also posted the text of a surviver (some time ago) that stated when they climbed past the the crash zone there was no raging inferno. With the drywall gone they would have been melted before they got past that zone.

 

[Icarus27k]

Interesting video I found. This is what US TV looked like on Sept. 11, 2001, before all the channels stopped what they were doing to show what was going on. I think every American remembers doing this that day in order to find some kind of info.

YouTube - September 11, 2001 -- channel surfing

FYI: My favorite comment on that YouTube vid is, "Yeah, back when MTV played music videos. Good times."

 

[MHz]

FYI: My favorite comment on that YouTube vid is, "Yeah, back when MTV played music videos. Good times."

I hate to ask, ..... but ........ what would a music channel broadcast if not music?
Am I to watch the top one or all of them?

 

[Icarus27k]

MTV just plays a bunch of reality shows now. Either the "young strangers living together" kind or the "documenting a B celebrities life" kind. Sad I know.

And sorry about the video. I keep forgetting I can't past some links directly.

Just go Youtube and search "channel surfing september". It's like one of the first ones.

 

[AnnaG]

Odd that a desire for both increases the nearer you get. lol Few puffs a day and 4 cheers a day (of the 7% variety, Smirnoff Triple Black) in the off season. During business hours nothing as everybody should get home in the same condition they arrived in. No place for piss-tanks and star-gazers. Drinking and kids never works until they are old enough to pull you in the wagon. lol

I think you'd know more about it than I would.

The point they were trying to stress is that next to rebuilding the tower this is as close as you will come to a replay of what happened inside the building.

That's fine as long as the margin of error isn't ignored.

Since you don't mind this topic too much with your chart what would be the starting strength of a 30ft section of the inner core box columns when all the bracing is taken into account, including the rebar that would run from the core to the perimeter in every concrete floor slab in the tower.

I don't know and I'm not that curious because I was simply pointing out that structural steel starts losing its strength at fairly moderate temperatures. And as there were multiple beams in multiple sections being subjected to a variety of different temperatures, it isn't a stretch to imagine they'd all expand and warp in different ways at different times. That by itself would weaken a structure drastically.

Rather than just some pieces thrown in randomly. Light weight concrete is smaller rock size, rebar is still a large strength factor in a 'lightweight floor', all those connections would have made each floor equal to a steel net. Now heat the inner core till molten steel is running out of the building and all that rebar in the floor is going to heat up the concrete so it is almost exploding by itself.

Concrete is another matter:

BTW, was there molten steel running out of the WTC buildings? None of the videos I have seen showed any, but then they might have been edited .

The OP simulation doesn't account fot the concrete being able to act as a heat sink, to get the steel to that temperature you would also have to have the floor at that temperature. That 800 deg would have made paper in the aboce floor burst into flames by itself , 450 deg.

Yeah, concrete sucks up heat alright.

I also posted the text of a surviver (some time ago) that stated when they climbed past the the crash zone there was no raging inferno. With the drywall gone they would have been melted before they got past that zone.

*shrugs* If I was going to escape a building that had a plane crash into it, I'd tend to avoid the spot where the plane hit. Especially if there was ANY fire there. It seems to me that your survivor wasn't exactly thinking rationally. So who knows what he/she was climbing through.

 

[MHz]

I think you'd know more about it than I would.
That's fine as long as the margin of error isn't ignored. I don't know and I'm not that curious because I was simply pointing out that structural steel starts losing its strength at fairly moderate temperatures. And as there were multiple beams in multiple sections being subjected to a variety of different temperatures, it isn't a stretch to imagine they'd all expand and warp in different ways at different times. That by itself would weaken a structure drastically.

True, but to heat the whole mass that hot is not some thing that that can be accomplished and the boxing and all those cross braces is to prevent just that affect in the core. Compared to the inner and outer columns the floor trusses were 'puny' in mass, they would break before they could move steel that is 100 times the strength of where the two are joined.

BTW, was there molten steel running out of the WTC buildings? None of the videos I have seen showed any, but then they might have been edited .

*shrugs* If I was going to escape a building that had a plane crash into it, I'd tend to avoid the spot where the plane hit. Especially if there was ANY fire there. It seems to me that your survivor wasn't exactly thinking rationally. So who knows what he/she was climbing through.

You might not want to do that if that is where the stairs are. The ones that turned back died.

 

[Colpy]

MHz....Here's the question none of you can answer sensibly....

What brought the buildings down???????

If it wasn't the impact of the jets and the subsequent fire, what brought it down????

Because it sure as hell wasn't CD.

 

[MHz]

The same forces that brought down building 7, and that is ......... wait for it ....... what?

 

[AnnaG]

True, but to heat the whole mass that hot is not some thing that that can be accomplished and the boxing and all those cross braces is to prevent just that affect in the core. Compared to the inner and outer columns the floor trusses were 'puny' in mass, they would break before they could move steel that is 100 times the strength of where the two are joined.

So? I bet after a lot of the steel was deformed, there was a lot of breakage as well after the few thousand tons of upper floors decided to add their weight to the effects of heat.

And that was definitely identified as steel? Not burning plastic furniture or something?

You might not want to do that if that is where the stairs are. The ones that turned back died.

If? If I could fly, I go through a window and not worry about stairs, elevators, climbing, fires, etc. too. If I was invincible I'd just wait it out, then walk out of the rubble later. So?

 

[AnnaG]

The same forces that brought down building 7, and that is ......... wait for it ....... what?

Gravity would be my guess. lmao Haven't you heard? Gravity is a downer.

 

[MHz]

And that was definitely identified as steel? Not burning plastic furniture or something?

Yes, the color was matched to steel and the molten metal in the basement was also steel, a lot of steel

 

[AnnaG]

So which one of these is molten glass, which is molten plastic, which is molten aluminum, and which one is molten steel?

 

[MHz]

Steel

 

[AnnaG]

Yes, the color was matched to steel and the molten metal in the basement was also steel, a lot of steel

What happens when you take a substance and compress it while limiting the volume?

 

[AnnaG]

Steel

What does that prove? That steel changes color at different temperatures? So? So does glass, plastic, straight iron, etc.

 

[MHz]

You could do a color balance to a known 'reference photo' of the side of the building and see what color you end up with. See the real white smoke in the corner, that is smoke from thermite, that same color of smoke can be seen from the bottom of one of the towers just before collapse.

YouTube - wtc thermite smoke on 9-11 from twin towers

 

[CDNBear]

Yes, the color was matched to steel and the molten metal in the basement was also steel, a lot of steel

That has not been matched to steel! Steel does not emit a white light when molten. That is actually a sodium light they were using to see while working in the dark. Give your head a shake.

You could do a color balance to a known 'reference photo' of the side of the building and see what color you end up with. See the real white smoke in the corner, that is smoke from thermite, that same color of smoke can be seen from the bottom of one of the towers just before collapse.

YouTube - wtc thermite smoke on 9-11 from twin towers

:lol:You don't even know the basics of thermite reaction.

OK mhz, yer so smrt.

How did they get the thermite to burn horizontal? Because, as of today, that is 16/04/10, there is no known device of mechanism to force thermite to burn horizontal.

 

[darkbeaver]

Professors AnnaG and CDNBear certainly know there thermodynamics chemistry metalurgy avionics politics electronics and economics as well as being intimately connected to the latest scientific developements trends rumours etc. There combined expertize would suffice to maintain an average size planet and the biggest portion of its immeadiate space. There accomplishments are a testament to human ingenuity and intelligence, we are truely graced and blessed to have them on board, here at CC, any youth in attentance would be well advised to take note of their seeming impossible attainments. How can anyone of us now have any doubts whatever that in fact it was the Martians, as we suspected all along.

 

[CDNBear]

Professors AnnaG and CDNBear certainly know there thermodynamics chemistry metalurgy avionics politics electronics and economics as well as being intimately connected to the latest scientific developements trends rumours etc. There combined expertize would suffice to maintain an average size planet and the biggest portion of its immeadiate space. There accomplishments are a testament to human ingenuity and intelligence, we are truely graced and blessed to have them on board, here at CC, any youth in attentance would be well advised to take note of their seeming impossible attainments. How can anyone of us now have any doubts whatever that in fact it was the Martians, as we suspected all along.

One does not have to be a physicist or world renowned scientist to understand commonsense and facts.

But I'm glad you exposed the points in my post as completely false with mounds of scientific proof.

Please note the heavy sarcasm in italics DB.

 

[darkbeaver]

One does not have to be a physicist or world renowned scientist to understand commonsense and facts.

But I'm glad you exposed the points in my post as completely false with mounds of scientific proof.

Please note the heavy sarcasm in italics DB.

Seriously Bear, I have great respect for your work here in the service of mankind and omnivorous mutipedal organisms and I have every confidence that very soon the responsible Martians will be apprehended.