Ya the pro industry, those that have a vested interest in securing grants to fund their research and pad their pockets.
There are countless cases of opposition being denied the right to counter the pro movement as well.
And theirs.
Riiiiiight...;-)
Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’
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May I have the audacity, Y.J. to suggest that perhaps what you are referring to is "weather" more so than "climate"? :smile:
"May I have the audacity, Y.J. to suggest that perhaps what you are referring to is "weather" more so than "climate"?"
Yes, you may, JLM. You may also notice that I never said either weather or climate.
If I had referred to a day, I would have said weather. But since I referred to the entire season of past winter, I feel comfortable to say climate.
However, the post was tongue-in-cheek. I am fully aware the storms just South of us. The record amount of snow in the midwest U.S. and the entire Eastern seaboard. Also the sub-normal temperatures in Florida, Texas and Arizona.
So, I agree with the OP that Al Gore's and David Suzuki's nonsense is just that: NONSENSE and trhe greatest scam in history.
Yes, you may, JLM. You may also notice that I never said either weather or climate.
If I had referred to a day, I would have said weather. But since I referred to the entire season of past winter, I feel comfortable to say climate.
However, the post was tongue-in-cheek. I am fully aware the storms just South of us. The record amount of snow in the midwest U.S. and the entire Eastern seaboard. Also the sub-normal temperatures in Florida, Texas and Arizona.
So, I agree with the OP that Al Gore's and David Suzuki's nonsense is just that: NONSENSE and trhe greatest scam in history.
Points taken Y.J. - although I do think the conditions of a single season are perhaps better characterized as "weather"..........IMHO..................:smile:
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I like you, too.
So? What does that have to do with the rest of the universe?
BTW, I took biology in gradeschool and one of the first things you learn is that you can't even think without electro-chemistry. So your news to me is antiquated.
Whatever you think Dexter is, is irrelevant, he asked a couple questions that threw a major kink into the electric universe idea and you couldn't answer straight so you wandered around the bush a few times.
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?? Funny, I thought pot smokers experienced diminished libido.
Maybe that's a result of GW?
Groups push tea party against E.P.A.
Tea partyers are being pressured to help block new regulations.
By Ambreen Ali
Conservative groups are trying to move the grassroots past health care on to a new target: the Environmental Protection Agency.
The White House department has ruffled feathers by expanding its reach into greenhouse gas regulation. Now national advocates want tea partyers to help them fight back by putting pressure on Congress.
Leading the effort are Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks , two D.C.-based conservative groups that also tried to influence tea party groups on health care. They have been long opposed to cap and trade, a proposal by President Obama to limit carbon pollution.
They believe that the administration is trying to get around passing cap and trade through Congress via the Clean Air Act . The E.P.A. and environmental activists counter that the inclusion of carbon pollution in the 40-year-old air quality law is based on science and need.
Perhaps the most visual representation of this latest drive against the E.P.A. are two Smart Cars outfitted as "Carbon Cops." Americans for Prosperity is driving the mini sounding alarms across states like Arkansas, Colorado, Indiana, and Ohio to pressure lawmakers against E.P.A. regulation.
Activists with badges drove the green cars through 14 cities in Arkansas last month, issuing citations to people at car dealerships, retirement villages, and roadside restaurants for violations like mowing their lawn or opening a refrigerator.
"It’s a tongue-in-cheek way of saying, 'Hey, this is something that could affect all of us,'" spokeswoman Amy Payne said. "We hope our Carbon Cops wake citizens up to what a future might look like if we don't act now."
Both Payne's group and FreedomWorks are collecting petitions to back a bipartisan effort led by Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) to block the E.P.A. from controlling carbon gases, a realm she and many others believe belongs to Congress.
And both groups have taken their message to tea party groups.
Americans for Prosperity's Teresa Oelke spoke to the Tea Party Express as the bus tour headed for Washington, D.C., made a stop in Little Rock last week.
"I equate this to the beginning of health care," Oelke said. "You can hear the audible gasp when they hear the extent and far reach of these regulations."
FreedomWorks and its leader Dick Armey have also waged strong influence over tea party groups, particularly the national coalition Tea Party Patriots. Last month, a staff fellow called on tea partyers to act against the E.P.A.
"It's been a long year and many are tired – the best antidote is an infusion of new energy," the group’s blog said, directing activists to call lawmakers in support of Murkowski.
The extent to which these national group represents grassroots opinion has been questioned in the past.
Liberal environmental group Greenpeace recently released a report challenging Americans for Prosperity’s motivations on climate change in light of its support from oil tycoon David Koch .
But the groups don’t have to try hard to convince activists like Melanie Herman of Arlington, Va., who have long been skeptical of Democrats’ plan to, as she says, "cap and tax" carbon. Herman highlighted it as a concern when she lobbied with tea partyers last month.
The activists worry that regulation will increase the price of gas and other household appliances at a time when Americans are struggling to get by.
Still, they are far from making the E.P.A. fight their new battle cry.
Mark Williams, a conservative radio host in California who is traveling on the Tea Party Express bus, said people he has met are still wrapped up in health care.
As for the E.P.A., he said, "It's barely on the radar."
http://www.congress.org/news/2010/04/08/groups_push_tea_party_against_epa
Tea partyers are being pressured to help block new regulations.
By Ambreen Ali
Conservative groups are trying to move the grassroots past health care on to a new target: the Environmental Protection Agency.
The White House department has ruffled feathers by expanding its reach into greenhouse gas regulation. Now national advocates want tea partyers to help them fight back by putting pressure on Congress.
Leading the effort are Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks , two D.C.-based conservative groups that also tried to influence tea party groups on health care. They have been long opposed to cap and trade, a proposal by President Obama to limit carbon pollution.
They believe that the administration is trying to get around passing cap and trade through Congress via the Clean Air Act . The E.P.A. and environmental activists counter that the inclusion of carbon pollution in the 40-year-old air quality law is based on science and need.
Perhaps the most visual representation of this latest drive against the E.P.A. are two Smart Cars outfitted as "Carbon Cops." Americans for Prosperity is driving the mini sounding alarms across states like Arkansas, Colorado, Indiana, and Ohio to pressure lawmakers against E.P.A. regulation.
Activists with badges drove the green cars through 14 cities in Arkansas last month, issuing citations to people at car dealerships, retirement villages, and roadside restaurants for violations like mowing their lawn or opening a refrigerator.
"It’s a tongue-in-cheek way of saying, 'Hey, this is something that could affect all of us,'" spokeswoman Amy Payne said. "We hope our Carbon Cops wake citizens up to what a future might look like if we don't act now."
Both Payne's group and FreedomWorks are collecting petitions to back a bipartisan effort led by Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) to block the E.P.A. from controlling carbon gases, a realm she and many others believe belongs to Congress.
And both groups have taken their message to tea party groups.
Americans for Prosperity's Teresa Oelke spoke to the Tea Party Express as the bus tour headed for Washington, D.C., made a stop in Little Rock last week.
"I equate this to the beginning of health care," Oelke said. "You can hear the audible gasp when they hear the extent and far reach of these regulations."
FreedomWorks and its leader Dick Armey have also waged strong influence over tea party groups, particularly the national coalition Tea Party Patriots. Last month, a staff fellow called on tea partyers to act against the E.P.A.
"It's been a long year and many are tired – the best antidote is an infusion of new energy," the group’s blog said, directing activists to call lawmakers in support of Murkowski.
The extent to which these national group represents grassroots opinion has been questioned in the past.
Liberal environmental group Greenpeace recently released a report challenging Americans for Prosperity’s motivations on climate change in light of its support from oil tycoon David Koch .
But the groups don’t have to try hard to convince activists like Melanie Herman of Arlington, Va., who have long been skeptical of Democrats’ plan to, as she says, "cap and tax" carbon. Herman highlighted it as a concern when she lobbied with tea partyers last month.
The activists worry that regulation will increase the price of gas and other household appliances at a time when Americans are struggling to get by.
Still, they are far from making the E.P.A. fight their new battle cry.
Mark Williams, a conservative radio host in California who is traveling on the Tea Party Express bus, said people he has met are still wrapped up in health care.
As for the E.P.A., he said, "It's barely on the radar."
http://www.congress.org/news/2010/04/08/groups_push_tea_party_against_epa
Opinion.
I like you, too.
BTW, I took biology in gradeschool and one of the first things you learn is that you can't even think without electro-chemistry. So your news to me is antiquated.Whatever you think Dexter is, is irrelevant, he asked a couple questions that threw a major kink into the electric universe idea and you couldn't answer straight so you wandered around the bush a few times.
Never mind, it's obvious that you have high resistance to current leading edge physics and your capacity is diminished as a result. As the frequency of your serious consideration of the subject is low this ties the potential conversation to the ground when it should flow unimpeded into the sky for the benefit of all us advanced primates.
PS Dexters questions have thrown major kinks into my thinking, that's why I bother him when I get the chance, he's no challenge at all to the EUT though. They PooPoo most the things they fear most. And they fear this like nothing else.
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As opposed to your potsmoke fogged mind? lol Cute, rodent.
Low frequency, low energy, long wavelength. I'm a radio wave.
I can last a long time. Uhuh Sounds to me as if there are holes in the idea that the "experts" can't explain.
Plasma cosmology - Indopedia, the Indological knowledgebase
WHaaa? I think somebody just had a major brainfart... or maybe you actually think this way.:lol:
First off the 'ecologists' present a far more representational slice of humanity than the tiny minorty who sit at the top of the whole fossil fuel industry heap. Ecologists are all of us who'd like to see the best possible future for our decendents... not just the greatest possible profit margin for the next three quarters(if they even think that far ahead in big oil/gas/coal).
The science is fairly simple, it only gets confusing when companies like Exxon Mobil and the petroleum lobby and other groups with vested interests hire science hacks(like Fred Singer) to muddy up the picture as much as possible.
And the problem isn't built into the planet, it's the recent activity of what now numbers over 6.7 billion humans that has mucked up the works. If you don't understand how fundamentally a terrestrial organism can alter the environment then you don't even understand how the oxygen that sustains you first came to exist in Earths' atmosphere. If tiny bacteria can alter the basic makeup of the gas envelope surrounding the Earth then what are the real limits on what humans with all our technology and science can do?
The real problem isn't technical, we have all the knowledge and infrastructure waiting in the wings to solve the climate change issue today. The real problem is socio-economic... simply stated those with the greatest wealth and power are using both to maintain the dangerous status quo regardless of the long-term consequences.
What's the line from that Joe Walsh song, "If you're looking for answers, then open your eyes", seems like pretty good advice in this and your case.
I'm not sure it makes much difference, the resistance to facts of some of the posters here is simply amazing.8O
I know. That's why I quit posting links n stuff. People charry pick through them for what they need to in order to further their opinion and ignore the other factors in them.
Right, it's the people working their butts off doing the baseline research who are getting rich.
The sad fact is that recent history in our culture has seen more and more money going into less and less hands. One of the factors in the recent collapse of the world economy that doesn't get much play is the crippling effect of unprecedented energy costs in the last few years, quite clearly there are no real limits on the greed of those who are best positioned to control the direction our society takes regarding energy use.
The problem isn't with those who are trying their hardest to bring to life the nascent sustainable energy sector that will eventually solve our needs and ecological footprint issues, it's with those who are firmly stuck in the past...kind of like a mammoth caught in the La Brea tar pits.
It's such a complex issue it's easy to cloud the important points with details taken out of context.
Exxon got going on this issue in the early 1990s in a big way, they know how much a threat the climate change issue is to their profits.
Did I say that some where?
Yep.
No arguments there.
So long as they don't fudge the number to curry more money for more research...;-)
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