Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

[Tonington]

I sure there is no spaghetti involved. We've got the same mountain weather conditions two weeks later and the same five hundred tons of cloud passes over the mountain and dumps the snow on Calgary. How come no chinnook? Is it because the iconosphere above the formation is more highly positively charged and can lift the load higher to clear the mountain? The iconosphere is positive with respect to the earth, more positive more lift. You tell me what you were taught that accounts for the suspended mass of that much water. Other than the electrical explanation I can see no mechanism to do that.

Right...gliders don't find thermals...birds don't find thermals to ascend over mountain ranges. It's all electric levitation and fancy anti-gravity...:roll:

In no way can I accept that turbulent warm air lifts and maintains that much mass.

It doesn't maintain it...otherwise we'd never have any rain now would we? Any idea how long the average cloud actually lasts after forming? The average cumulus cloud is only a cloud for less than an hour. Or it rises above a cold front moving in and rides on top...

The known process of convection does not account for the suspended mass of weather systems. Show me the math and physics.

A mass of warm air will rise until it is no longer warmer than the air surrounding it. By that time the vapour has already formed droplets. Then it falls out.

I'll show you the math after you show me yours for the antigravity cloud.

And we haven't even brought any of this back to climate yet. It's definitely spaghetti on a wall....

 

[darkbeaver]

OK.

On the aspect of solar. Yes, solar irradience is a much higher forcing at 1366 watts, but as you can see it has been cycling up and down again.

In order for this to cause global warming we're seeing now, it would mean that the earth would have to be storing heat from the high points of the oscillation, and not losing it on the low points. That is not physically possible. If I turn off a stove top burner, your hand held above it will cool down. It has to. The source of heat is gone. It's the same thing with the solar radiation.

Our stove, the earth, is always connected to the current Tonnington. As far as heat sinks go the terra firma darwfs the peel of our atmosphere.

Also, the fingerprint is completely wrong. If increasing solar energy was causing the earth to warm, then all layers of the atmosphere would warm. As the radiation passes through the atmosphere down to the surface, it heats the atmosphere. When it bounces off the surface and back into space, it heats the atmosphere some more. If we add more greenhouse gases, then less radiation escapes to space. The result is the upper atmosphere cools radiatively, just as your hand did when I turned off the stove.

The solid part of the planet cools radiatively also, through the atmosphere just because it's in the way. Where is the data for that and is it variable. We haven't even been discussing the greatest source of heat for this planet we've only been made to look outward to the sun and the stuff we're standing on seems to have been forgotten. This reflective business and greenhouse nonsense is science fiction.
The earths surface area while not fixed is a very slow growing ball (at this time) dependent on incoming mass which varies + -, sometimes the mass is leaving sometimes the mass is arriving it travels in plasma.

We've measured this at the top of the atmosphere, with satellites. No urban sources of contamination there. We know that more radiation comes into the earth system than leaves. So the climate system moves towards equilibrium, in this case it warms up to compensate for this flux of radiation.

It warms up a lot more with the influx of current at the poles directly into the old ball where we see it at work in lovely volcanic displays and everybodys favourite lots of lava flowing and spewing about. Volcanic activity seems to be up a bit recently and I have read something about ocean acidity being attributed to sea floor volcanic activity, lots of serious new heat all over the place and the scientific clown community has their shrunken heads stuck in the goddamn clouds. The more I read the more it becomes obvious what function these Nobel turd blossoms perform and the funnier it gets. This is the proverbial tempest in a tea pot while the house burns down. It's pure Holly-Wood directed to economic specifications and nothing else.:canada:

 

[Tonington]

Our stove, the earth, is always connected to the current Tonnington. As far as heat sinks go the terra firma darwfs the peel of our atmosphere.

And the oceans dwarf terra firma. So what? The energy is coming in from the sun. But not in increasing amounts...not since the middle of this century anyways. To be sure, solar fluctuation plays a role, but very little right now. The Earth is warming because it's not in radiative balance.

The solid part of the planet cools radiatively also, through the atmosphere just because it's in the way. Where is the data for that and is it variable.

I don't know, you show me the data. Essentially what you're doing is making an assertion then asking for the data which corroborates your hypothesis. That's a methodological error. An error in logic. Completely non-sequitur.

Volcanic activity seems to be up a bit recently and I have read something about ocean acidity being attributed to sea floor volcanic activity, lots of serious new heat all over the place and the scientific clown community has their shrunken heads stuck in the goddamn clouds.

So lets see what you're reading. Let's see the contour plots showing this heat in the ocean surrounding the volcanically active zones.

 

[Tonington]

Bump.

No, I'm wondering if you know why the tropics should have a hot spot, and how you think this is a greenhouse fingerprint.

Not in any way similar to exponentially...how do you figure that?

This is a logarithmic growth curve:

This is an exponential growth curve:

What similarities do you see?

If, as you say the sceptics pointed out that warming should occur exponentially, then they are the ones who are unaware of how the temperature response to carbon dioxide should progress given our current atmospheric dynamics.

You can't twist your way out of this one.

 

[AnnaG]

Seems to me Dexter debunked the "electric climate" crap in another thread. The beaver's still trying to flail at windmills with it. Hilarious.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

And people with a vested and financial interest in the pro industry haven't?

Pro industry?, as far as I know the only industry involved in this issue is the fossil fuel industry and they're doing everything they can to suppress the science to maintain the status quo, not because it makes any kind of sense in the long term.

As far as I'm concerned the people who are being honest about climate change and working on ways to mitigate it are fighting for the future.

The people who deny there's a problem are fighting for the past...

 

[darkbeaver]

Volcanic Carbon Dioxide

Timothy Casey B.Sc. (Hons.)
Consulting Geologist
First Uploaded ISO:2009-Oct-25 Abstract

A brief survey of the literature concerning volcanogenic carbon dioxide emission finds that estimates of subaerial emission totals fail to account for the diversity of volcanic emissions and are unprepared for individual outliers that dominate known volcanic emissions. Deepening the apparent mystery, there is no magic fingerprint with which to identify industrially produced CO2 as volcanic CO2 is isotopically identical. Molar ratios of O2 consumed to CO2 produced are likewise of little use because of the abundance of processes other than volcanic CO2 emission and fossil fuel consumption that are, to date, unquantified. Furthermore, the discovery of a surprising number of submarine volcanoes underscores the underestimation of global volcanism and provides a loose basis for an estimate that explains ocean acidification in the absence of acidification of isolated water reservoirs such as aquariums as well as shedding much needed light on intensified polar spring melts and perhaps even providing an explanation for the rising atmospheric carbon dioxide levels observed last century.
Volcanic Carbon Dioxide

 

[darkbeaver]

Seems to me Dexter debunked the "electric climate" crap in another thread. The beaver's still trying to flail at windmills with it. Hilarious.

I like you so I think I'll tell you the truth so it dosn't bite you in half some day when it becomes common knowledge. ELECTRICITY IS GOD. You may wish to devote some time to study just how dependent your own body is on charge. I'll give you a hint, 100%. no sparky no AnnaG:smile: Dexter is a religious nut of the ConstantG Church of Perpetual Hidden Matter.

 

[darkbeaver]

Pro industry?, as far as I know the only industry involved in this issue is the fossil fuel industry and they're doing everything they can to suppress the science to maintain the status quo, not because it makes any kind of sense in the long term.

As far as I'm concerned the people who are being honest about climate change and working on ways to mitigate it are fighting for the future.

The people who deny there's a problem are fighting for the past...

The crustal organisms on the planetary body politic masquerade as ecologists, among other things, their primary interest is one world carbon currency and one world global governance, of that there is absolutely no doubt worth mention. Every thing else is smoke, mirrors and fluffy cuddly bunnies. You no doubt have heard somewhat of our terminal economic problems well a totalitarian system has been designed to replace the present crippled system of global governance. Problem! what problem? What you call a problem is built in to the bloody planet, it's how it does its thing, a terrestrial organism has to be pretty stupid to think that the monkeys can fix something like that. Maybe you do know how to reregulate the solar output, so I'll give you an opportunity to explain how you propose to do it.:smile:

 

[darkbeaver]

And the oceans dwarf terra firma. So what? The energy is coming in from the sun. But not in increasing amounts...not since the middle of this century anyways. To be sure, solar fluctuation plays a role, but very little right now. The Earth is warming because it's not in radiative balance.

The oceans do not dwarf terra firma, neither in volumn nor in mass. It's a ball tonnington the ball is itself is the big heat sink and the big regulator. The earth is never in radiative balance, there is no such actual thing as radiative balance it's an imaginary place we are always trying to get to but never can even for one second, it is in perpetual variation.

I don't know, you show me the data. Essentially what you're doing is making an assertion then asking for the data which corroborates your hypothesis. That's a methodological error. An error in logic. Completely non-sequitur.

So you are telling me you've never seen it either. Some theory, most of the thermal mass of the planet is missing. Look inward to your own scratchy logic.

So lets see what you're reading. Let's see the contour plots showing this heat in the ocean surrounding the volcanically active zones.

Coming Soon

 

[Tonington]

Coming Soon

Be sure to show how the oceans do not dwarf the land mass. The quantity we're concerned with here is heat capacity. Best of luck...

 

[darkbeaver]

Be sure to show how the oceans do not dwarf the land mass. The quantity we're concerned with here is heat capacity. Best of luck...

I meant the earths mass not the surface which has no mass because its 2d. There is way more rock than water and it has the greatest heat capacity by far. Don't you have to get some sleep before work tomorrow at the drug o-rama factory?:smile:

 

[Tonington]

I meant the earths mass not the surface which has no mass because its 2d.

So what the hell does that have to do with the sun and what I said about thermodynamics? This is why I say spaghetti on a wall. You bounce back and forth between crazy and nonsensical, all the while claiming that something which is consistent is not.

Spaghetti on a wall.

Don't you have to get some sleep before work tomorrow at the drug o-rama factory?:smile:

I don't work in the manufacturing facility. I work in the R&D facility. And I don't need to be in bed at 8:00...lol. I'm not an old fart like you.

 

[Slim Chance]

Volcanic Carbon Dioxide

Timothy Casey B.Sc. (Hons.)
Consulting Geologist
First Uploaded ISO:2009-Oct-25 Abstract

A brief survey of the literature concerning volcanogenic carbon dioxide emission finds that estimates of subaerial emission totals fail to account for the diversity of volcanic emissions and are unprepared for individual outliers that dominate known volcanic emissions. Deepening the apparent mystery, there is no magic fingerprint with which to identify industrially produced CO2 as volcanic CO2 is isotopically identical. Molar ratios of O2 consumed to CO2 produced are likewise of little use because of the abundance of processes other than volcanic CO2 emission and fossil fuel consumption that are, to date, unquantified. Furthermore, the discovery of a surprising number of submarine volcanoes underscores the underestimation of global volcanism and provides a loose basis for an estimate that explains ocean acidification in the absence of acidification of isolated water reservoirs such as aquariums as well as shedding much needed light on intensified polar spring melts and perhaps even providing an explanation for the rising atmospheric carbon dioxide levels observed last century.
Volcanic Carbon Dioxide

Not to mention the variety of other gasses and materials. Factor in these as well as the air-borne particulate that is emitted via volcanism and it amplifies the effect significantly.

 

[Tonington]

"Deepening the apparent mystery, there is no magic fingerprint with which to identify industrially produced CO2 as volcanic CO2 is isotopically identical."

This is complete bull plop. They have markedly different isotope fractions. Carbon dioxide from volcanoes has a δ13C value of about -1.6 ‰, while combustion of fossil fuels produces carbon dioxide with a value of -26‰.

 

[darkbeaver]

So what the hell does that have to do with the sun and what I said about thermodynamics? This is why I say spaghetti on a wall. You bounce back and forth between crazy and nonsensical, all the while claiming that something which is consistent is not.

Spaghetti on a wall.

I don't work in the manufacturing facility. I work in the R&D facility. And I don't need to be in bed at 8:00...lol. I'm not an old fart like you.

Crazy, nonsensical, spaghetti, words that have echoed through the halls of science since the beginning, initiated by those resistant to the advancements in science hoping to cling to certainties as if they were never emptied iron rice bowls coveted in the reign of Emperor Mao. All for naught though,neither caliper nor scales paid the slightest.your eyes are getting heavier and heavier It's my own fault I suppose speaking beyond your tender years about such things you have yet to imagine.you are falling into a deep relaxing sleep a sleep a sleep The revelations imparted are frightening to the uninitiated who most often recoils at the very thought of novelty.you are deeply compelled compelled compelled to act like a chicken a chicken a chicken There are many fine funny R&D cartoons.when you see them you will act like a chicken a chicken a chickenI will find some for you.:lol: Speaking of old farts I made spectacularly tasty baked beans this week which I have eaten twice daily since wedensday with very little gas production and I am perplexed as to the reason as I expected the usual concentrations produced in the same noisy manner, nothing happened, the recipe remained the same as the other dozen production runs, something is different and I don't have the equipment nor the budget to find out what. Now that's basic science in the field, I think it's important to find out where the stink went or if it was even in the bag of beans, they may be removing the farts by some process they haven't told the public about.
I can't hold my eyes open any longer cluck I really should go to bed cluck:smile: Seriously though the bean problem weighs heavy on my mind odd as that may seem. I may apply for grant money.

 

[darkbeaver]

ps just a thought, they may be trying to lower CO2 emissions without alarming the public

 

[darkbeaver]

At the bottom of things climatic we seem to have thousands these unmentionables.

British scientific expedition discovers world's deepest known undersea volcanic vents

April 11, 2010

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First photograph of the world's deepest known 'black smoker' vent, erupting water hot enough to melt lead, 3.1 miles deep on the ocean floor Credit: NOC
A British scientific expedition has discovered the world's deepest undersea volcanic vents, known as 'black smokers', 3.1 miles (5000 metres) deep in the Cayman Trough in the Caribbean. Using a deep-diving vehicle remotely controlled from the Royal Research Ship James Cook, the scientists found slender spires made of copper and iron ores on the seafloor, erupting water hot enough to melt lead, nearly half a mile deeper than anyone has seen before.


British scientific expedition discovers world's deepest known undersea volcanic vents

 

[YukonJack]

Based on our last Winter, here in Winnipeg - hardly any snow, tempeatures way higher than normal in previous years - maybe there IS Global Warming.

 

[darkbeaver]

We had the mildest winter here in NS that I can ever remember but the rest of the hemisphere wasn't as lucky, the climate seems to have moved east with the magnetic N pole. I am very young and innocent, some of the geezers may remember similar winters.