Car smoking ban carrying children
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Rat poison can be found in tobacco smoke.
Now as a libertarian I can see your point on rights and others such talking points but in the lib ideology does this also infringe on someone else's rights....that being the children?
I would have thought you would be against stupid people.:lol:
Whoever said they should be forced? People can leave, walk away, keep at a comfortable distance.... the planet isn't that small. If a smoker was somewhere first, then why should you be allowed to come along and tell them to move because you don't like their smoking as if somehow you're more important?
Why does the onus of being relocated somewhere away from everybody else have to always be on the smokers? Make it illegal and then there's no excuse for not telling smokers where to go or what to do.
You can see a smoker from quite a distance.... if the smoke in their hand doesn't give them away, the puff of smoke coming from their mouths should be more then enough for you to see they're smoking..... hold your breath as you pass, or walk on the other side of the road, or put up with it.... walking past a smoker and inhaling a small bit of 2nd hand smoke isn't going to suddenly kill you or suddenly give you cancer..... anymore then some diesel truck driving by you and leaving you in a big cloud of exhaust that you'd probably inhale much more for much longer.... or you'd simply hold your breath.
The fearmongering over tobacco, while risks do exist, are greatly exaggerated.
Isn't that the same attitude you're giving? All the smokers be damned, it's all about you and the slim chance of your own health being somehow affected? :-?
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Along with a litany of other toxins, which is why I only smoke Kanicinic now, and only on special occasions.
Yes, I won't argue that.
I am, which is why I attack the greater evil. Even if we observe the "stats" and take them as fact, the adverse effects of second hand smoke, do not nullify the wide spread and broad implications of allowing a breach to the constitution, of this magnitude.
You can't ban tobacco completely. Prohibition failed. Get a grip. They are doing a great job banning BC Bud.
Those who want a Final Solution here on the tobacco issue seem a litlle too close to the real Nazis. Less and less people smoke, but that is not good enough for them.
They should pull an NRA and lay off a few people to show how successful they are and show they are still based in reality. And it is a historical fact that the top Nazis like Hitler and company were obssessed about their health and bodies.
Those who want a Final Solution here on the tobacco issue seem a litlle too close to the real Nazis. Less and less people smoke, but that is not good enough for them.
They should pull an NRA and lay off a few people to show how successful they are and show they are still based in reality. And it is a historical fact that the top Nazis like Hitler and company were obssessed about their health and bodies.
Geezus DTM, you the Nazi card is a thread killer eh? Even if it does apply! :lol:
Are the rights of the children not being violated as per the constitution as well?
I know who's side I'd take.
I'd let some idiot challenge this based on their constitutional rights, get lawyers, spend all sorts of time and money on it, have rallies, protests and ad campaigns and if the little dick actually won, I'd ban smoking.......:lol:
I don't care if people smoke, just as long as they stay out of my home when they do or don't send it to me in public places. It stinks. Pot and cigars stink worse. Pipes smell kind of nice, though. Sometimes anyway.
I think what the gov't should ban is the additives in tobacco. If people want to smoke let them smoke virgin tobacco and pay for their own lung transplants.
I think what the gov't should ban is the additives in tobacco. If people want to smoke let them smoke virgin tobacco and pay for their own lung transplants.
A case can be made, but so long as tobacco is a legal product, and there is no law prohibiting the use of it within a certain distance of a minor, then no.
So do I.
To late, if you take this ticket to court, it gets bounced. First year paralegals are doing it all the time on constitutional grounds, and abusive use of the Highway traffic Act. Not to mention, Police oft not show up at all.
More so then those that don't smoke. Nonsmokers owe smokers a thank you and don't even know it.
That's my job, to apply some logic to a riotous situation to create organized chaos. Perfectability is a sickness, good enough makes most people happy.:canada:
How many smoke virgin tobacco and pay for their lung transplants? Not many.
Whatever, people shouldn't subject other people to harmful stuff. Kids are other people.
On our soil...
Exposing children to organized religion that promotes hate, intolerance and violence, is tolerated, and in fact protected by law.
Which is more harmful to society? The fact that I gave my kids cancer, or I teach them all fags go to hell?
That's because "smoking areas" in restaurants and bars makes as much sense as "peeing areas" in public swimming pools.
By the time I was 18, I had to turn my head to hear properly. My right ear is so scarred from ruptured ear drums that I have significant troubles hearing. The infections that caused it stopped finally when I was 16 years old and mom made Dad stop smoking in the house. Research has since proven that smoking in the presence of children inflames Eustachian tubes and increases infections.
Smoking in the presence of children is a very direct violation of their right to health. I find it distressing that our provinces have recognized that fact as it applies to waitresses and strangers in a public building, but, not when it comes to our children.
Smoking in the presence of children is a very direct violation of their right to health. I find it distressing that our provinces have recognized that fact as it applies to waitresses and strangers in a public building, but, not when it comes to our children.
Then why not just change the law for minors? We already prevent them from smoking unitl they are 16 why not do the same for second hand smoke?
BS, many resaurants spent hundreds of thousands of dollars installing state of the art air purifiers and ventilation systems, only to have them made redundant by over zealous bureaucrats, buying the vote of people like yourself that have no idea what you're talking about.
I own three restaurants.....I never spent a dime on all that crap. I saw it coming and just banned smoking in all of them. All that fear mongering by my peers about it being the end of their buisness was BS....buisness didn't change and the places are cleaner for it.