Which alternative? As far as I know there are a couple dozen alternatives in BC.
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Minimum wage rises in Canada
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Definitely something is out of kilter if a single mum needs three jobs and does them quite well but is only getting minimum wage plus tips, and some fat slob gets a 6 figure income plus a whopping bonus, benefits, and severance package for running a company into or close to collapse
You just contradicted yourself there. If it never falls below the equilibrium level, then why raise it every five years or so? The fact that the government feels the need to raise it every five years is evidence enough that it does eventually fall below the equilibrium level owing to inflation. If it didn't, the government wouldn't be raising it again and again and again. So in the end, it really is a case of the foolish dog chasing its tail.
I fully agree, and that's precisely why I oppose minimum wages: they hurt the very people they are supposed to protect. Instead, why not adopt German-style co-determination laws, thus giving the workers the power to negotiate a fair wage for themselves?
Non-sequitur. You have not yet proven that the minimum wage is the best alternative. I'll start a separate thread in a bit to demonstrate using a more concrete example.
I was thinking of the BAnshee- She's the only one who is in serious contention who would likely get 30-40% of the votes, no one else will get over 10-12%.
Oh. Unfortunately, I think you're right. It's too bad that we couldn't quite manage to get away from the archaic FPTP voting system and adopt a better and fairer one when we had the chance. Too many people complacent with the same old crap, I guess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality_voting_system
Anyway, I think there's always a better idea around somewhere and I like the German version that Machjo suggested over the minimum wage thing.
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Good luck with the separate thread, but I can't see it changing anything. Those of us who know minimum wage raises don't work, understand why (it's really quite a simple concept) and those who don't know don't really want to understand. They know a raise will help them for a day or maybe a week at the most and that's as far into the future they are interested in looking. You think not wanting to look into the future they might want to take a peek at the past - like back to about 1950. :smile:
I doubt if it would work any better Anna. The only other party in B.C. right now that even makes an iota of difference is the Green and they are a one game party, who can't convince enough people of their ability to govern. So what you would wind up with is the 10% who vote for Green and of those 10% maybe 75% would vote for the N.D.P. for a second choice.
The problem here is not how much money we are paying out to those at the bottom of the scale......it is the ever-increasing gap between the relative wealth of the richest and the working poor in our society.....
And yes I'm serious. Really. We need higher minimum wages, more labour legislation that protects workers, forced benefit packages....etc......
The socialists have take over my brain.
I think co-determination legislation would help with this too. In those cases where the employer really is paying his workers well below what they're really worth, they'd see their salaries increase drastically compared to a simple minimum wage increase. And those who are now earning a fair wage owing to low profits or what not would be free to negotiate the same salary as before so as to keep their salaries. No one would be legislated out of work that way. And if they're really unable to earn at least let's say a recommended minimum wage, then give them a school voucher and send them back to school for a year to upgrade their skills.
The problem here is not how much money we are paying out to those at the bottom of the scale......it is the ever-increasing gap between the relative wealth of the richest and the working poor in our society.....
And yes I'm serious. Really. We need higher minimum wages, more labour legislation that protects workers, forced benefit packages....etc......
The socialists have take over my brain.
Aren't forced benefit packages part of the problem, don't they just add to the cost of the finished product? The idea in the old days was you were paid enough to buy your own benefits. I guess nowadays with the purchase of I pods, and microwaves, H.D. T.V.s, jacuzzis, holidays in Hawaii, R.V.s, boats, A.T.V.s - there is just not enough left of the pay cheque to buy benefits.
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You can list all the parties you want. Most of us have never heard of most of those parties. It's the ones on the ballot that count on voting day and there isn't anyone on the ballot worth voting for (last time around) and there probably won't be any changes next time except that Gordo won't get back in.
i know that is your favorite hobby horse, but it is not going to happen, not in a a parliamentary democracy.
In BC you have the choice of far left (NDP) and the far right (Socred, or now called Liberal Party). There is no choice of the centre, a true Liberal Party.
This is a total contrast from Quebec, where the choice is between centre left (Liberals) and far left (NDP or Party Quebecois, it is the same thing). There is no party of the right in Quebec.
I wouldn't bet the farm on that one- Vancouver Island has traditionally been an N.D.P. stronghold, Gordo knows where his votes lie, parts of the west side of Vancouver, Fraser Valley, Okanagan and parts of northern B.C. He's in as long as he wants to be as long as his opponent is the Banshee.. :smile::smile:
I see Jim Sinclair (big labour honcho) is continuing his whining to raise minimum wage. Why can't these so called experts of financial wisdom see the idiocy in the idea? What we have here is a situation of a dog chasing his tail. I was in a local big box store yesterday, looking for a ball cap among other things. After searching "mens clothing" to no avail I asked 5 or 6 employees where they were located, none of them knew. Finally I found a bright one who said they were no longer stocking them as the season was over and they were putting out tuques. How much money is this amount of knowledge and wisdom worth? As far as I'm concerned that particular store would be better off moving into a warehouse with a couple of cashiers at the exit. That is just one chain, there's several others very little better. :smile:
It's not the right time to raise minimum wages. ATM, we have not recovered from the crash/collapse, depression, recession, whatever you want to call it. The jobs that have been recovered are largely part-time jobs (which happens until employers are confident enough to make them full-time jobs) and have not been in the area where most people lost jobs, which is the manufacturing industry. Raising minimum wages will result in those part-time jobs being put on hold. Sinclair's a moron.
I don't agree with paying stupid people anything for a job in which their stupidity prevents them from doing the job properly. As for the inflation what do you think caused it in the first place apart from rising wages. It's been going on since the 1950s - I'm surprised you haven't caught on yet. :lol:
And that is over rating him. What we have to do is start boycotting inferior products to bring prices down and then there's no need for a wage increase.