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wulfie68

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I wonder how many death threats were left on answering machines when Mulroney's gov't instituted the GST. The healthcare bill represents a huge change in legislation in the US and the nearest thing I can think of to compare would be something like the GST, and it generated a ton of anger as well. Very few laws passed touch the entire populace so directly and thus generate that sharp of a reaction.
 

Colpy

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I wonder how many death threats were left on answering machines when Mulroney's gov't instituted the GST. The healthcare bill represents a huge change in legislation in the US and the nearest thing I can think of to compare would be something like the GST, and it generated a ton of anger as well. Very few laws passed touch the entire populace so directly and thus generate that sharp of a reaction.

Or why Allan Rock had two RCMP bodyguards after he introduced the Firearms Act......
 

YukonJack

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Since there never was a video or a picture implicating Republican/conservatives/tea-partiers of ANY threats, name-calling etc. it is a safe bet that there never was any.

Alternately, if there was, it had to be Democratic plants paid off with sprinkles of crack cocaine and/or a few tokes of grass.

Knowing the history of left-wingers this is far more plausible than the crap you see on CNN or MSNBC or read in the soon-to-be-nonexistant left wing press.
 

FiveParadox

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Republican Ignorance and/or Hatred

Perhaps you haven’t realised the passionate hatred for anything even remotely progressive that members of the Republican Party of the United States of America seem to have. I was shocked when I watched the debate in the House of Representatives ahead of its vote on the health care bill; the sort of nonsensical arguments given by Republicans bordered on willful ignorance at best; more likely, though, insanity.

So, it’s one of two choices on the health care debate:

1. Either Republicans are insane, or
2. Republicans are simply stupid.
 

YukonJack

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Five Paradox, since you did not have the knowledge or the intelligence to quote anything, I can only assume that you addressed your inane comment to me since your kind is hardly ever smart enough to look either ahead or back more than one step.

So, it's both of the following, regarding Obamascare:

1. Democrats ARE insane
2. Democrats ARE stupid. (After all they elected the Marxist who made no secret that his highest ambition is to f**k America.
 

FiveParadox

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Why would I have quoted you when you were the last poster? The flow of the conversation was simple enough to grasp. Except for “your kind”, I suppose. Now, if you’d like to debate what I said instead of grasping at ‘quoting etiquette’ straws (hahaha!), please proceed.
 

SirJosephPorter

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I wonder how many death threats were left on answering machines when Mulroney's gov't instituted the GST. The healthcare bill represents a huge change in legislation in the US and the nearest thing I can think of to compare would be something like the GST, and it generated a ton of anger as well. Very few laws passed touch the entire populace so directly and thus generate that sharp of a reaction.

Indeed. Do you know for a fact that any were left on answering machines? How many were investigated by RCMP? How many incidents of vandalism, glass breaking were there (as happened to the office of an Arizona Democratic Rep.)? How many packets containing white substance, accompanied by death threat message were sent to Mulroney (as happened to another Democratic rep.)?

We Canadians don't do these things, no matter how angry we are (and you are right, there was plenty of anger when GST was passed). I don't think Mulroney at any point felt unsafe during the GST debate. The same cannot be said of some Democratic representatives.
 
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lone wolf

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Indeed. Do you know for a fact that any were left on answering machines? How many were investigated by RCMP? How many incidents of vandalism, glass breaking were there (as happened to the office of an Arizona Democratic Rep.)? How many packets containing white substance, accompanied by death threat message were sent to Mulroney (as happened to another Democratic rep.)?

We Canadians don't do these things, no matter how angry we are (and you are right, there was plenty of anger when GST was passed). I don't think Mulroney at any point felt unsafe during the GST debate. The same cannot be said of Democratic representatives.

I know of an envelope of white powder that went to Mike Harris
 

SirJosephPorter

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Perhaps you haven’t realised the passionate hatred for anything even remotely progressive that members of the Republican Party of the United States of America seem to have. I was shocked when I watched the debate in the House of Representatives ahead of its vote on the health care bill; the sort of nonsensical arguments given by Republicans bordered on willful ignorance at best; more likely, though, insanity.

So, it’s one of two choices on the health care debate:

1. Either Republicans are insane, or
2. Republicans are simply stupid.

I would vote for both. Somebody can be insane and stupid at the same time. The fact that they are resorting to violence, is indicative of their stupidity. Do they really expect that threats of violence are going to help their cause? Funnily enough, they do, as I have been reading on Townhall blogs (that is a website infested mostly by teabaggers).
 

Machjo

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I would vote for both. Somebody can be insane and stupid at the same time. The fact that they are resorting to violence, is indicative of their stupidity. Do they really expect that threats of violence are going to help their cause? Funnily enough, they do, as I have been reading on Townhall blogs (that is a website infested mostly by teabaggers).

You seem to be treating Tea baggers as synonymous with Republicans.
 

YukonJack

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"I would vote for both. Somebody can be insane and stupid at the same time. The fact that they are resorting to violence, is indicative of their stupidity. Do they really expect that threats of violence are going to help their cause? Funnily enough, they do, as I have been reading on Townhall blogs (that is a website infested mostly by teabaggers)."

Based on the FACT that since the rise of TEA-PARTYs (NOT HOMO teagaggers) and the thousands of people who attended them, the only violence that occured was when SEIU thugs beat up an AFRICAN-AMERICAN tea-partier, it is perfectly safe to come to the conclusion that any of the alleged threats and name-calling were perpetrated by Democrat plants, in order to besmirch Republicans/conservatives.

But it does take a genius to realize that ALL the violence is committed by left-wingers. Just look at anti-war protesters. Just look at all the yahooes at G8 meetings. Just look at Obama's bosom buddy, who bombed the Pentagon, Bill Ayers. Just look at all the communist, revolutionary jerks Obama surrounded himself with.

Of course, people like SirJosephPorter who read DailyKos, MediaMatters, Mother Jones and The Huffington Post are convinced that the only people who are ready, willing and able to resort to violence are conservatives.

Talking about stupidity and insanity!
 

lone wolf

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"I would vote for both. Somebody can be insane and stupid at the same time. The fact that they are resorting to violence, is indicative of their stupidity. Do they really expect that threats of violence are going to help their cause? Funnily enough, they do, as I have been reading on Townhall blogs (that is a website infested mostly by teabaggers)."

Based on the FACT that since the rise of TEA-PARTYs (NOT HOMO teagaggers) and the thousands of people who attended them, the only violence that occured was when SEIU thugs beat up an AFRICAN-AMERICAN tea-partier, it is perfectly safe to come to the conclusion that any of the alleged threats and name-calling were perpetrated by Democrat plants, in order to besmirch Republicans/conservatives.

But it does take a genius to realize that ALL the violence is committed by left-wingers. Just look at anti-war protesters. Just look at all the yahooes at G8 meetings. Just look at Obama's bosom buddy, who bombed the Pentagon, Bill Ayers. Just look at all the communist, revolutionary jerks Obama surrounded himself with.

Of course, people like SirJosephPorter who read DailyKos, MediaMatters, Mother Jones and The Huffington Post are convinced that the only people who are ready, willing and able to resort to violence are conservatives.

Talking about stupidity and insanity!


All violence? I see your gift of sound observation hasn't arrived yet.
 

SirJosephPorter

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You seem to be treating Tea baggers as synonymous with Republicans.

I remember seeing a poll where about 70% of them said they are Republicans. Now, of course there are independents there, there may even be an odd Democrat or two. But mostly it is a Republican movement.

I don't know if you followed the teabagger national convention a while ago. All the speakers were Republicans, not a single Democratic speaker. The most popular speaker was Joan fo Arc, she got a very enthusiastic, loud applause. Another popular speaker was Republican representative Bachman, who is a Joan of Arc clone. Then there were the shouts of 'nigg*r' and 'fag*ot' hurled at black and gay Democratic representatives.

Tea Party movement may claim to be independent, it is to their advantage to do so. But look at their deeds, their behavior and it is very much the Republican movement.
 

Machjo

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I remember seeing a poll where about 70% of them said they are Republicans. Now, of course there are independents there, there may even be an odd Democrat or two. But mostly it is a Republican movement.

I don't know if you followed the teabagger national convention a while ago. All the speakers were Republicans, not a single Democratic speaker. The most popular speaker was Joan fo Arc, she got a very enthusiastic, loud applause. Another popular speaker was Republican representative Bachman, who is a Joan of Arc clone. Then there were the shouts of 'nigg*r' and 'fag*ot' hurled at black and gay Democratic representatives.

Tea Party movement may claim to be independent, it is to their advantage to do so. But look at their deeds, their behavior and it is very much the Republican movement.

You say 70% of Tea Baggers are Republican, but what percentage of Republicans comprises Tea Baggers?
 
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Machjo

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Gee ... that sounds like one of those IQ test-type questions....

Well, it would be mathematically possible for 70% of Tea Gaggers to be Republican and yet only 7% of Republicans to be Tea baggers.

For example, let's say there are 100 Republicans in the whole country, and 7 of them are Tea Baggers, with an additional three Tea Baggers who are not Republican. Under such conditions, 70% of Tea Baggers would be Republican, but only 7% of Republicans would be Tea Baggers.
 

YukonJack

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"All violence? I see your gift of sound observation hasn't arrived yet."

Your cogent and extremely to-the-point and fact-laden and intelligent
reply convinced me that you are right and I am wrong.

Would you please accept my most humble apologies?!