The definition of Liberalism

[Socrates the Greek]

No it doesn't. Not at all. Modern liberal party doesn't at all support true freedom of speech, nor many other essential freedoms.

Oh yes it does, more sooooooooooooooo then modern Conservatism....One thing to remember is that Liberalism has never gone to war on a lie, Conservatism has and what a lie it was, to the tune in order to garner support it got two know countries to support the lie, by plagiarising each others phoney agenda speech.:smile:

 

[Bar Sinister]

For a guy who uses a scene from the Matrix as an avatar, you don't seem to grasp the reality of the situation. We are programmed from birth to believe this is reality. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Politics is the core of the Matrix. Schools, media, politics and religion are all programming tools used to convince us that what we think of as reality has some validity. It doesn't. It is just a program, a holographic construct. Nobody is free. We are all stuck in a lie. Welcome to the Matrix.

Cliffy - I'm shocked. That sounds incredibly cynical.

Yup. Unfortunately, in Canada we have something like a cross between social and embedded liberalism which seems to have very little to do with classical liberalism, which is what we used to have.

Why unfortunately; and what is embedded liberalism?

 

[Cliffy]

Cliffy - I'm shocked. That sounds incredibly cynical.

What exactly do you find shocking about it?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Actually if you look closely, modern liberals are a blend of classical liberals and socialists.

Quite so. They are Social Democrats, like Social Democrats in Europe. But when it comes to free market, free enterprise, they are not really all that different from the classic liberals.


Indeed, I am a free marketer myself. If Liberals did not support free market, I wouldn't support Liberals. Liberals minus free market is NDP.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Oh yes it does, more sooooooooooooooo then modern Conservatism....One thing to remember is that Liberalism has never gone to war on a lie, Conservatism has and what a lie it was, to the tune in order to garner support it got two know countries to support the lie, by plagiarising each others phoney agenda speech.:smile:

If given the chance, Harper would have gone to war on another lie. When Chretien wisely decided to stay out of Iraq, Harper criticized him roundly, claiming that Canada must participate in Iraq war. If Harper had been the PM when Bush invaded Iraq, we would be up to our necks in Iraq now.

Not only we would have lost many Canadian lives in Iraq, but the budget deficit would be much higher than it is today.

 

[TenPenny]

Quite so. They are Social Democrats, like Social Democrats in Europe. But when it comes to free market, free enterprise, they are not really all that different from the classic liberals.


Indeed, I am a free marketer myself. If Liberals did not support free market, I wouldn't support Liberals. Liberals minus free market is NDP.

I wonder if you would be so kind as to define what you mean by 'free market'.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I wonder if you would be so kind as to define what you mean by 'free market'.

free market Definition

 

[TenPenny]

Definition 1
Business governed by the laws of supply and demand, not restrained by government interference, regulation or subsidy.

Well, I can certainly see how our Liberal Party supports that. I believe that the Liberals have ensured that we have no subsidies, no regulations, no marketing boards, no producer quotas....

You're right - the Liberal Party of Canada certainly supports YOUR chosen definition of 'free markets.'

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Well, I can certainly see how our Liberal Party supports that. I believe that the Liberals have ensured that we have no subsidies, no regulations, no marketing boards, no producer quotas....

You're right - the Liberal Party of Canada certainly supports YOUR chosen definition of 'free markets.'

Absolutely. Whatever regulations are in place in Canada, Canada is still very much free market economy, as free (or even slightly freer) than that supposed bastion of capitalism, USA. As is evidenced by the link I put up.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

If given the chance, Harper would have gone to war on another lie. When Chretien wisely decided to stay out of Iraq, Harper criticized him roundly, claiming that Canada must participate in Iraq war. If Harper had been the PM when Bush invaded Iraq, we would be up to our necks in Iraq now.

Not only we would have lost many Canadian lives in Iraq, but the budget deficit would be much higher than it is today.

:smile:
Good day S JP, Strong point , we would have been $300.000 onto the federal dept had Harper gone into Iraq, while Harper was squawking like an opportunist, throwing roks at a guy who did 50 times better then him after 3 consecutive majorities. Strong good point on Chrétien's report card.

 

[CDNBear]

It is committed to the ideal of limited government

This right here, absolutely cancels out Canada's Liberal Party.

liberty of individuals including freedom speech...

This just strengthens that fact that this article does not refer to the Liberal Party of Canada.

and free markets.

And this confirms it. Marketing boards do not support a free market. Period. Only the NDP and LPoC support Marketing Boards. As the socialist tripe they are.

claiming that Canada must participate in Iraq war.

Quote and link please.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Quoting TenPenny

Well, I can certainly see how our Liberal Party supports that. I believe that the Liberals have ensured that we have no subsidies, no regulations, no marketing boards, no producer quotas....

You're right - the Liberal Party of Canada certainly supports YOUR chosen definition of 'free markets.'.................................................

If the Chrétien Liberals had done so dismally, is that why the got 3 consecutive land slide majorities because all you have mention above was done wrong by the Liberals?
Come on ...................................you can full the people some time, but you can not full them all the time…………..:smile:

 

[CDNBear]

Quoting TenPenny

Well, I can certainly see how our Liberal Party supports that. I believe that the Liberals have ensured that we have no subsidies, no regulations, no marketing boards, no producer quotas....

You're right - the Liberal Party of Canada certainly supports YOUR chosen definition of 'free markets.'.................................................

If the Chrétien Liberals had done so dismally, is that why the got 3 consecutive land slide majorities because all you have mention above was done wrong by the Liberals?
Come on ...................................you can full the people some time, but you can not full them all the time…………..:smile:

I just felt the need to quote this for posterity. It made me laugh.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

A Post here is a post wasted as it will soon be removed..

Hey Francis, are you about to through a tantrum? don’t be a troll or a hijack.
Instead contribute if your thick bias will allow you.:smile:

 

[DaSleeper]

I hate to say this...(no I don't) but a lot of Liberals being atheist and all......sure do like to "Pontificate"

 

[Bar Sinister]

What exactly do you find shocking about it?

Nothing. That was irony.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I just felt the need to quote this for posterity. It made me laugh.

3 consecutive land slide majorities for the Chrétien Liberals voids all you silliness.
By the Way the NDP will never form Government in the federal political arena.

Grow up, pal.:smile:

 

[CDNBear]

3 consecutive land slide majorities for the Chrétien Liberals voids all you silliness.

Irony aside, no it doesn't.

The irony here is palpable.

Grow up, pal.:smile:

What an ironic thing to say.

I guess you missed my other post?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Irony aside, no it doesn't.

The irony here is palpable.
What an ironic thing to say.

I guess you missed my other post?

.....:canada:

 

[Bar Sinister]

Quite so. They are Social Democrats, like Social Democrats in Europe. But when it comes to free market, free enterprise, they are not really all that different from the classic liberals.


Indeed, I am a free marketer myself. If Liberals did not support free market, I wouldn't support Liberals. Liberals minus free market is NDP.

Apparently you do not understand the modern NDP. The party is all for free enterprise. What is is not for is massive corporations that act as oligopolies and stiffle competition. And it is definitely against the continual tax breaks given giant multinationals that rob the government of revenue and force lower income Canadians to pay their taxes for them.