Actually, your opinions and viewpoints are quite conservative, and it's very, very amusing.
The definition of Liberalism
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Actually, your opinions and viewpoints are quite conservative, and it's very, very amusing.
There are so many misconceptions here I don’t know where to begin.
To start with, conservatives do NOT like the things the way they are now. They would like to change several things. They would like to bring back the death penalty, they would like to outlaw gay marriage. Some of them would like to privatize health care, turn it into American style health care (or what used to be American style health care, that has changed since the recent law). Some others would want to outlaw abortion, get rid of all gun control legislation etc.
So they most certainly don’t like the things the way they are.
Another misconception is that Liberals never like the way things are, that they always want things to change. Nothing of the sort, most liberals are quite happy with the things they are in Canada.
It is not correct to decide whether a person is conservative or not by seeing whether he wants a change or not. Liberals want a change only if it will lead to an improvement of individual rights, of minority rights. Conservatives want a change only if it wills take the society to the ‘Good Old Days’. In the thread where we discussed how terrible things were 50 years ago, you saw how many conservatives want to go back to the old days; want to turn the clock back 50 years.
So it is not true that conservatives always oppose change and that liberals always support it. It depends upon the circumstances.
You can hardly criticize him for highjacking, have you read any of your own posts? :lol:
I have given objective evidence that Canada is as much a free enterprise as USA. All you have give us is your opinion that it is not.
Are you kidding? That has everything to do with it. USA is generally considered to be a bastion of free enterprise. And if it turns out that Canada is even more of a free enterprise than USA, your argument falls flat.
In debate, that is called exaggeration. That is an accepted, effective way to get one's point across (the point here being that you don't think much of Liberal Party).
Not to mention, how most of those he calls Conservative, sit left of him, lol.
Dude! Don't you know? He's a Liberal, he practices do as i say, not as I do...:lol:
I know this. But until Morpheus comes along to liberate us, we might as well play along, eh? :smile:
Yep, a useless party filled with crooks.
Not that the other political parties are much better. Since we have no party that supports true freedom of speech, freedom of association, or gun rights, I will stay non-voting.
True. But just because the Conservative Party is arguably worse, does not mak the Liberal party great. Until they support true freedom and liberty, I will consider them nothing but half-promises and lies, led by men with self-interest, not national interest.
Again, you have missed the point. Totally, completely.
I am not comparing Canada to the US, not discussing degrees of free enterprise.
The definition that YOU supplied for 'free market' was
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Definition 1
Business governed by the laws of supply and demand, not restrained by government interference, regulation or subsidy.
By your own definition, we do not have a free market. That's by the definition you provided when asked. It is not about degrees of regulation. You keep comparing our degree of free enterprise to the US. You're missing the point completely. I asked you what your definition of 'free market' was, and you supplied it. When I point out that we do not have such a thing, you insist that we have more free enterprise than the US. That's not what I said, it wasn't the point I was making.
We don't have a free market, under your definition.
Your definition. Not mine, yours. Your definition.
Sure we do. The definition says not restrained by government interference, regulation or subsidy. That pretty much describes Canadian economy. Now, is it totally free of any regulation? No, that would be crazy. Some regulation is always essential.
If you are going to be Fundamentalist about it, then no country in the world is a true free enterprise. Then the whole thing is nonsense, we are discussing a hypothetical situation which does not exist anywhere in life.
If one accepts that free enterprise must have reasonable restrictions, regulations on it, then Canada is indeed a free enterprise within that meaning.
It is like freedom of religion. We say that we have freedom of religion. But do we really? No we don't have absolute freedom of religion (we will not tolerate a religion which practices human sacrifice), there are reasonable restrictions on it.
It is the same with free enterprise, we are a free enterprise country within the generally accepted meaning of the word. If you are going to be be absolutist, a fundamentalist about it then no, we don't have free enterprise, but then neither does any other country in the world.
Cat Souvlaki is below the tastes of an elite liberal like your self. :smile:
Interesting how 3 land slide majorities freedom and liberty was not the reason for Chrétien victories .:lol:
Elite? not me, I want all men and women to shine like a star, but when some take the liberty upon them self’s to shine and deny me or the common man from the same rights, then that is were the camels back brakes. My dear……………….:lol:
I'm not discussing whether some degree of regulation is desired or essential.
I was discussing the meaning of the words.
'Now, is it totally free of any regulation? No'
In other words, it's not a free market.
You are agreeing with me.
That was my point.
A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.
But you would deny the rights of others to free speech?
How is it you can be so hypocritical without imploding?
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