How many Gods do you believe in?

[eanassir]

L Gilbert said: "Everyone's heard of Wodin, Zeus, Ra, etc. too. So what?"

You are wrong; your words are not correct.
Some of these names are not indicating the Creator: e.gl Ra means the sun.
I mean all nations know God the Creator, but most of them make or assign some other idols or gods besides Him.

L Gilbert said:"All gods are invented."
Wrong again; the correct thing is that all gods are invented but only God Almighty and the Creator.

L Gilbert said: "I thought swearing was a nono."
This is only to the disbeliever and atheist; therefore, I don't trust the atheist and the disbeliever.

 

[giacomo]

So let me ask our practising religionist friends their opinion on the nature of the God they worship;

Some religionists claim there is only One God ("I believe in one God, creator of heaven and earth"), indivisible and sovereign; some say he has three parts -Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Does that mean three exist in one?

The RC Church has also been trying to add Mary as a "co-creationist" in the last few years - does that make four?

So, One? Three? Four?

The original question.

God is All. God is One. Yes, I agree.

I would call Mary, as the feminine principle, or anima.

Holy Ghost is the spirit, ruah, a mystery. I would call her the shekinah.

I was born a Christian, but to tell the truth, theology about the trinity has not affected me personally much. I never gave it a thought. I have seen Muslims criticizing Christianity of having three gods. What I think, is that the origin of Christian doctrine about trinity goes back to theological disputes at the time of Council of Nicaea.

I don´t feel very enthusiastic about these early church councils. I belong to Lutheran Church, and can relate a little bit to reformatory spirit of Luther and other german theologians, but in practise I am a yogi, and I worship The Goddess.

Creation seems for me to be similar topic as the Trinity. For example, I have seen physicists and cosmologists so eager to prove their theories about the Beginning, the early microseconds of Big Bang. And I have also watched with growing frustration the disputes between evolutionists and creationists.

For me, Creation is not so big issue. God created this universe, or there was a Big Bang, so what. Was Mary a co-creator? I have no intellectual curiosity about it; I wish to leave it to God, it may remain a mystery. What matters is practical life, here and now. How could I be nearer to God? How to become more sensitive to His Precense? How do I feel in my devotion? How about spiritual growth?

In yoga, I have to tell, I have met too many seekers talking about advaita, that "all is one", the oneness. I feel such talk of Oneness is mostly empty talk. It's mental. It is ego. It leads nowhere. In other religions, people who stress strict monotheism, seem the be the fundamentalists. There is judgement in this kind of talk.

So, God is One, All is One, that said. Now we have to be here, and live our life. We may live. The sun is shining, it is spring, and the snow is melting.

 

[eanassir]

The truth is very obvious and evident like the sun shining in the sky:
God is the Creator: He created everything in the universe;
God is One without associate or partner.
God sent all the apostles to all nations: the idolatry and the "association" is the distortion of the heavenly message.

The devotion to God alone is the true religion of God.

So believe in God alone without associate,
and believe in all His apostles including Moses, Jesus and Mohammed.
And believe in all His revealed books including the Quran which is the guide to humanity,
and don't listen to the words of the doubters the waverers.

See our website:
Quran Interpretation

And those who know Arabic: see the interpretation of the ambiguous ayat of the Quran here:
المتشابه من القرآن 1

 

[kalamntena]

Wow! That might explain why he is so bored that he goes around killing and maiming people just because they tick him off. Perhaps Saddam, the Marquis de Sadde, Clifford Olson, etc, were created in the image of god or perhaps were just different incarnations of this same psychopathic lunatic god.

am sorry 4 being late
as i had alot of work last couple of weeks

i don't understand what you r saying!!!!!!!!
no one of those that you mentioned has anything to do with our conversation

 

[Cliffy]

am sorry 4 being late
as i had alot of work last couple of weeks

i don't understand what you r saying!!!!!!!!
no one of those that you mentioned has anything to do with our conversation

Have you read the bible. It is full of mean and nasty events supposedly perpetrated on millions of people by god because they did not kiss his butt, did not think the Jews were their superiors or they just ticked him off. So ya, the comparison to those other psychopaths was justified.

BTW, typing in large bold type is considered shouting. Not good protocal.

 

[AnnaG]

Not like this, because we want to know is nature created be a Creator or not;

Life was likely a coincidence of its components; the elements of life arriving at the same place at the same time. It is bound to happen occasionally. Trees originate from trees, polywogs from toads, etc. People's gods are themselves.

so if you see a chair, with four legs and two arms and a back and cushion which is decorated with drawings and finished in addition to some pieces of steel, others of wood fixed with screws, etc. can you say: this chair has come to existence without any maker?

Nope, but I know a human or a human-made machine made the chair, I don't ASSume it was made by a faerie or goblin. There is evidence that a human made it.

Another example: if you see a car with all its engine, and other parts will you say it is without any maker?

Again, I know it was manufactured by humans, not leprachauns or gremlins. There is evidence that a human made it.

Then you can take it for yourself, and when a judge asks you, will you say: this chair or car has come to existence by itself without any maker so I took it to myself?

As I said, I know from EVIDENCE that they are human-made.

Moreover, I asked you: What is the name that your people give to the Creator of everything: in English it is God; in your language what do your people call this Creator?

Some call it Giichimanido. What difference does that make?

 

[AnnaG]

You are completely wrong; your words are only insisting and denial. You have no evidence to your claims.

Neither do you.

The evidence to God's existence: is that anything has a maker and every movement has a mover.

That's not evidence, that is just a statement. Anyone can state anything they like. For instance, I can state that oranges are blue, triangular, and hard as granite, but just because I said so does not make it correct nor is it evidence.

If you see a car with its complex parts: engine, electric sets, ...etc can you say this car came to existence by itself spontaneously and no maker has made it?

I just commented on this earlier. There is real evidence that indicates that it was human-made.

 

[AnnaG]

L Gilbert said: "Everyone's heard of Wodin, Zeus, Ra, etc. too. So what?"

You are wrong; your words are not correct.

Sorry, it is you who is wrong. People have heard of those gods. That's obvious because there are books written about them.

Some of these names are not indicating the Creator: e.gl Ra means the sun.
I mean all nations know God the Creator, but most of them make or assign some other idols or gods besides Him.

Whatever you call them does not matter because there's no evidence that any god created anything.

L Gilbert said:"All gods are invented."
Wrong again; the correct thing is that all gods are invented but only God Almighty and the Creator.

You keep stating this but haven't provided any evidence. So it is only words.

L Gilbert said: "I thought swearing was a nono."
This is only to the disbeliever and atheist; therefore, I don't trust the atheist and the disbeliever.

I'm not sure about Muslims, but the Christians have a commandment that says they are not supposed to take the name of their god in vain (swearing).

I just looked it up and apparently Muslims are not supposed to swear either:

1. He has to careful while swearing something. Because, in Islam, if someone does not fulfill his oath i.e. swearing, he has to pay Kaffara.

2:224 AND DO NOT allow your oaths in the name of God to become an obstacle to virtue and God-consciousness and the promotion of peace between men:for God is all-hearing, all-knowing.

Well, next verse gives something soothing but keep in mind the previous one as well.

2:225 God will not take you to task for oaths which you may have uttered without thought, but will take you to task [only] for what your hearts have conceived [in earnest]: for God is much-forgiving, forbearing.

16:91 And be true to your bond with God whenever you bind yourselves by a pledge, and do not break [your] oaths after having [freely] confirmed them and having called upon God to be witness to your good faith: behold, God knows all that you do.

2. Swearing on other than Allah is haraam and is taken as Shirk in Islam.

Sahih Bukhari. ONENESS, UNIQUENESS OF ALLAH (TAWHEED) - - - -

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 498:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

The Prophet said, "Do not swear by your fathers; and whoever wants to swear should swear by Allah."

3. Treating good one's wife is compulsory in Islam.

An-Nisa (The Women)

4:19. In the contrary live with your Wives on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.

Narrated Mu’awiyah al-Qushayri:

I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them.

{Book 11, Number 2139 : Sunan Abu Dawud}

 

[Libertarian]

No Gods exist, they are all delusions.

 

[eanassir]

What is the meaning of "god"; it means the one to be worshipped. What is the worship? It is the sanctification and submission and devotion of people to Him.

Therefore, the obedience to parents is a moral conduct, and respecting the parents is some act of politeness.

While to God it should be more than respect: it is the sanctification and glorification and obeying Him and following His commandments.

Moreover, God is Most Gracious: so that He shows His mercy to all His creatures; but He dislikes the wrong-doer and so He misleads him because of his wrong-doing and transgression, and will take revenge of the wrong-doers in the life of the World and the next afterlife.

(Know God is Terrible in retribution [to those who associate others with Him and who disobey Him],
and God is Most Forgiving [to repenting monotheists],
Most Merciful [to those who regret.])

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran aya 5: 98​

اعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ وَأَنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com​

 

[AnnaG]

No Gods exist, they are all delusions.

Yeah, we've heard that opinion here before, too.

 

[AnnaG]

What is the meaning of "god"; it means the one to be worshipped. What is the worship? It is the sanctification and submission and devotion of people to Him.

Therefore, the obedience to parents is a moral conduct, and respecting the parents is some act of politeness.

While to God it should be more than respect: it is the sanctification and glorification and obeying Him and following His commandments.

Moreover, God is Most Gracious: so that He shows His mercy to all His creatures; but He dislikes the wrong-doer and so He misleads him because of his wrong-doing and transgression, and will take revenge of the wrong-doers in the life of the World and the next afterlife.

(Know God is Terrible in retribution [to those who associate others with Him and who disobey Him],
and God is Most Forgiving [to repenting monotheists],
Most Merciful [to those who regret.])

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran aya 5: 98​

اعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ وَأَنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com​

The etymology of the word "god":

god O.E. god "supreme being, deity," from P.Gmc. *guthan (cf. Du. god, Ger. Gott, O.N. guð, Goth. guþ), from PIE *ghut- "that which is invoked" (cf. Skt. huta- "invoked," an epithet of Indra), from root *gheu(e)- "to call, invoke." But some trace it to PIE *ghu-to- "poured," from root *gheu- "to pour, pour a libation" (source of Gk. khein "to pour," khoane "funnel" and khymos "juice;" also in the phrase khute gaia "poured earth," referring to a burial mound). "Given the Greek facts, the Germanic form may have referred in the first instance to the spirit immanent in a burial mound" [Watkins].

Online Etymology Dictionary

As there are many gods, the idea of a supreme being is ridiculous.

 

[Liberalman]

The only God I believe in is the one that will meet me on the other side

 

[Libertarian]

Yeah, we've heard that opinion here before, too.

Until God personally appears to me, I'm not believing it. Allah, God, Zeus, Thor, Ra, any God(s) or Goddess(es) don't exist until proven.

That's my take on everything. I'll believe in ogres, fairies, trolls, dragons, and aliens, if you show me evidence.

No evidence = nothing.

 

[eanassir]

Sorry, it is you who is wrong. People have heard of those gods. That's obvious because there are books written about them.

Whatever you call them does not matter because there's no evidence that any god created anything.

You keep stating this but haven't provided any evidence. So it is only words.

I'm not sure about Muslims, but the Christians have a commandment that says they are not supposed to take the name of their god in vain (swearing).

I just looked it up and apparently Muslims are not supposed to swear either:

AnnaG, why is all this refusal and denial? I am sorry and very much sad; why someone chooses to disobey God Most Gracious Who bestows on him or her every blessing and grace? :-(

So while I gave you some examples that even such a chair and car are human made; then how could it be that the universe with all its marvels and wonders come to existence spontaneously without any Maker?

Why should any intelligent woman or man choose to be against his future: in the afterlife? :-(

Sadness and grief is much :-( for anyone who does not choose to guaranty for herself or himself a happy future? Why choose she or he the misery and chastisement and punishment and suffering for being against God Most Gracious who gives them respite and give them much time to reflect and consider ?:shaking:

 

[GreenFish66]

In 1 peace or in pieces?

In pieces...

Animals or civilized humans ?..I choose human with respect for the animals...as well as all living things...

P.E.U ...Person/Earth/The Universe...

J.C. ( son of Earth) ...Mother /Gia /Mary/Nature (sister if you'd rather)..( Mother Earth) ...God ( Sun / Universe/ Advanced alien entity/ polulator) ...

Animals to humans ...What ever you believe in ...Believe in something bigger than yourself ...The children ...What is /What was /What will be

For as long as humans could think for themselves ...They have asked themselves many questions ...Like ..Why are we here?...Who created us?.We have come along way since the bible ..We Have EVOLVED since then ..And so has GOD ..and the idea of a SUPREME BEING....So on and so on ...We are creators...If there is not a god ..We will create what we believe god would be ...(then we will know for sure if there is one..) ...

Etc ..Etc...

Science and math are the best tools to explore /discover / find solutions / answers to all the questions we humans have ...But there is far more "Out There" than we will ever understand...

I like the idea of panspermia ...God inseminated this mother earth( with seeds of life) ..Leaving us and all life ..It's children...

It is amazing there is life, on this tiny planet, out in the universe , at all ...It keeps us asking why ...It is best to think of something other than yourself..

You make you ..But so does everyone else and your environment ...universe ...and so on ...

Have faith in the future...God does...

Body of the Earth /Mind of the Universe ...

Everything is Energy and information ...The rest is recyclable Waste..

And all that Jazz ( Prefer heavy /alternative music myself .Anything Electric)


There is more than 1 Human / or all Humans together could ever possibly imagine "Out there" ...

Animals to Angels ...

Perhaps someday we will Grow our Wings , leave this Mother Earth to Join our Father out there...somewhere.( he's away from home a lot .Busy ..but still always around)..Hopefully we can still come home for supper ...( not our last supper)

Jesus was/is an alien ( half anyway , as are we)

So you better believe ....In God ...Whatever you wanna Call iITt ...

Or it'll ZAP YA .... ...

creeping ,crawling , walkin , running, flying , soaring ...But where you going?

Forever forward ..Into the future...



Greenfish66 - Alternative / Experimental / Indie Artist ( still another thankless self promotion )
---------------------------------------------------------------
Green/Clean Tech is now ...It is the future...


Peace ...


Or Whatever ...

 

[eanassir]

The only God I believe in is the one that will meet me on the other side

Hi Liberalman; now you look like Alain Delon :smile:
Liberally thinking and contemplating :smile:

So you want to meet Him on the other side? None saw God Who is Invisible, but yet His wonders are there everywhere.

Some of the Children of Israel said that to Moses:


(And when you said [to Moses],

'Moses! We will not believe in you until we see God manifestly', and so the thunderbolt seized you while you yet looked on.)​

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran aya 2: 55​

وَإِذْ قُلْتُمْ يَا مُوسَى لَن نُّؤْمِنَ لَكَ حَتَّى نَرَى اللَّهَ جَهْرَةً فَأَخَذَتْكُمُ الصَّاعِقَةُ وَأَنتُمْ تَنظُرُونَ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com​

 

[Cliffy]

AnnaG, why is all this refusal and denial? I am sorry and very much sad; why someone chooses to disobey God Most Gracious Who bestows on him or her every blessing and grace? :-(

So while I gave you some examples that even such a chair and car are human made; then how could it be that the universe with all its marvels and wonders come to existence spontaneously without any Maker?

Why should any intelligent woman or man choose to be against his future: in the afterlife? :-(

Sadness and grief is much :-( for anyone who does not choose to guaranty for herself or himself a happy future? Why choose she or he the misery and chastisement and punishment and suffering for being against God Most Gracious who gives them respite and give them much time to reflect and consider ?:shaking:

Let us assume for a minute that there was a creator that caused the Universe. Such a being would be great indeed, maybe even all powerful. On an insignificant speck of dust in all this vast creation evolved a species that walks on two legs and is just an even less significant a species as that speck of dust. Baffled by it own insignificance in such a vast and unimaginable thing as the Universe, this species invents a supreme being that actually cares about this species feelings of insignificance.

It says to this species, look how great I am. I created the Universe, so you must bow down and praise my greatness every day or I will make your life miserable... and you know I can do that because I created the Universe. So, get busy kissing my butt.

This god sounds far to human, far to egotistical and insecure to be for real. Only someone who thinks they are important would believe in a god who thinks they are important. But feeling superior to others is usually an over compensation for feelings of inadequacy.

Why would a supreme being demand we praise its greatness unless it felt inadequate? The whole concept of such a god is just plain ludicrous. Only a human could have invented it. Only an inadequate species could feel the need for such a flawed and degenerate god.

 

[eanassir]

AnnaG, about the swearing according to the Quran, I may tell about it later on.

 

[eh1eh]

To the OP.

All of them and none of them.