How many Gods do you believe in?

[L Gilbert]

That may well be, Spade. It has always been my theory that Hinduism is the originator of all the major religions. It is the oldest religion, it is the granddaddy of all religions. It may well be that the millions of Gods in Hinduism(which are really form of only one God, at its heart, Hinduism is a monotheistic religion) became angels in subsequent religions. The Danavas became the demons.

You are incorrect. Hinduism is not the oldest religion but simply the oldest organized one with a written history. Look it up. The Australian aborigines were practising their religion probably as far back as 60,000 years as opposed to Hinduism's 20,000. And even before Oz's aborigines, African people's were practising their own. The oldest religions are probably animism. Hinduism is probably the grandfather of MODERN religions.

 

[L Gilbert]

Lone Wolf....we heard it straight from the horse's mouth (literaly) that it's OK to ridicule someone...that it's been done many times..
No more reporting posts for ridicule;-):lol:

The problem with that idea is that our version of Mrs. Hyacinth Bucket does not make the rules here.

 

[gerryh]

I never said that it is OK to ridicule someone. I said it is OK to ridicule religious beliefs, a totally different thing.

It is perfectly OK to ridicule Islam, Christianity, even Atheism. Ridiculing and attacking ideas is perfectly OK, ridiculing, insulting,attacking individuals is not.

Preventing people from criticizing, even ridiculing ideas such as conservatism or Christianity would lead to the worst kind of censorship.

And yes, posts will be reported for insulting or ridiculing individuals.

The problem with this attitude, which runs rampant on this forum, is that a persons Faith IS very personal, and when criticizing and ridiculing that Faith you are, in fact, criticizing and ridiculing the person.

 

[DaSleeper]

The problem with that idea is that our version of Mrs. Hyacinth Bucket does not make the rules here.

As I was reading The Wiki on Hyacinth Bucket (somehow I'd never heard of her) I was chuckling so much Imagining that character with our own local blue-blood that my wife came over to see what was going on:smile::lol:
Thanks so much for the laugh....in return check out the link in my sig;-)

 

[DaSleeper]

The problem with this attitude, which runs rampant on this forum, is that a persons Faith IS very personal, and when criticizing and ridiculing that Faith you are, in fact, criticizing and ridiculing the person.

Exactly.....You kick my dog and I'll kick yours......with my apologies to all animal lovers in the forum...It's a local saying:smile:

 

[lone wolf]

I never said that it is OK to ridicule someone. I said it is OK to ridicule religious beliefs, a totally different thing.

It is perfectly OK to ridicule Islam, Christianity, even Atheism. Ridiculing and attacking ideas is perfectly OK, ridiculing, insulting,attacking individuals is not.

Preventing people from criticizing, even ridiculing ideas such as conservatism or Christianity would lead to the worst kind of censorship.

And yes, posts will be reported for insulting or ridiculing individuals.

Religious belief is a personal opinion. To ridicule is to say that person is wrong. Who in Hell appointed YOU God?

Perhaps it would do you well to learn the difference between ridicule and criticize.

 

[L Gilbert]

As I was reading The Wiki on Hyacinth Bucket (somehow I'd never heard of her) I was chuckling so much Imagining that character with our own local blue-blood that my wife came over to see what was going on:smile::lol:
Thanks so much for the laugh....in return check out the link in my sig;-)

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[eanassir]

The Creator. The Great Mystery. The Great Unknown. There were many different people living in the Americas with many different languages. But most had names that translated to Creator, Great Mystery, Great Unknown.

That is what I mean: Even the idolaters know God the Creator the Lord of the heavens and the earth; they may call Him by other names.

And in addition to the Creator they invent many gods: they say these gods are near to them on earth, while the Great One is in heaven and far of them as they think.

Moreover, the word "gods" may be used by some people to indicate angels, demons, devils, spirits ...etc.

So they swear by some material object: an idol; and they don't swear by the Great One Who should not be sworn by as they claim.

 

[Machjo]

I believe in one God indivisible. He needs no trinity in the Nicene sense.

 

[Machjo]

It would seem that in the Christina faith God was one until the year A.D. 325.

 

[eanassir]

I believe in one God indivisible. He needs no trinity in the Nicene sense.

I also believe in the same God - glory be to Him.

 

[Machjo]

.إله واحد

 

[eanassir]

That is easy. My creators were my mom and my dad.

This is not true.

Because many parents desire to have children and they cannot have any; moreover, do your parents decided you to be a male or a female: so if they don't know and cannot decide you being a male or a female how can they be the creators? but they made the intercourse which according to God's decree it may produce the male of the female by uniting the semen of the father with the ovum of the mother.

Moreover, the parents had the lust, but they cannot shape the fetus inside the womb in what shape or form: ugly or beautiful, blond or black hair and eye, white or brown ,,,etc.

(He it is Who fashions you in the wombs as He likes. There is no god save Him [alone], the Almighty, the Most Wise.)

The above (between brackets) is the explanation of the Quranic aya 3: 6​

هُوَ الَّذِي يُصَوِّرُكُمْ فِي الأَرْحَامِ كَيْفَ يَشَاء لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[eanassir]

.إله واحد

This expression in Arabic means "the same One God" which is found in the Quran and in the Arabic version of the Bible.

 

[Cliffy]

Here's one you probably haven't heard. We create ourselves. We chose our parents and all details of who we are before we are born. No god necessary. Then again we may just be a cosmic fluke, or quantum hiccup.

 

[Cliffy]

This expression in Arabic means "the same One God" which is found in the Quran and in the Arabic version of the Bible.

In English it is called being redundant. If there is only one god then what is it the same as?

 

[Machjo]

Literally it is translated as God (إله) is (not written in Arabic, but indicated by the lack of any verb) one (واحد) (bearing in mind you have to read from right to left of course). So even more literally, if we ignore the verb, it's 'God one'. The best English translation for this wold simply be 'God is one'.

 

[eanassir]

Indeed this has been going on since Biblical times, when God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because he didn't like what people were doing there.

But then it has always been a puzzle to me why he has not already destroyed Canada. Surely Canada, with legalized abortion, legalized gay marriage and so on, has to be worse than Sodom and Gomorrah? Or is the influence of the religious right keeping Canada alive?

If one repects a leader, this is ok;

but when the respect is exaggerated into glorification this will be more serious;

then when the leader will have control of the thinking and the mind (of his follower) which will be occupied by glorifying this leader; moreover the work and activity of such man will be dedicated to such a leader
-->then such a leader will have become a god or an associate with God Almighty.

About Sodom and Ghomorrah; all their people acknowledged the sodomy or the homosexuality; moreover they had an apostle sent to them from among themselves: Prophet Lot, and they contradicted him; so they deserved the punishment.

(Nor used We to punish [any people] unless We had sent an apostle [to them; so when they deny him, they deserve the punishment.)​

The above (between brackets) is the explanation of the Quranic aya 17: 15​

وَمَا كُنَّا مُعَذِّبِينَ حَتَّى نَبْعَثَ رَسُولاً​

Once, Abu Abd-Allah, the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible, said to me: "What has afflicted the Iraqis is because they contradicted my advice about the devotion to God alone", and he recited the above aya. ​

Therefore, Canada and any other country and any people are not immune against God's punishment in case they contradict the Commandments of God and deny the Quran and the other revealed books.​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

 

[eanassir]

When we observe the religion followers at the present time, what we see:

Most of them are associaters and idolaters; how this is:

They have taken the patrons as gods together with God Almighty the Creator.

They swear by these patrons: they say God is so Great, so we swear by our patrons: the Jewish sages, the Christian saints and the Muslim imams.

Moreover, according to their belief, God is All-Forgiving, but such imam or saint is very hot-blooded and will not forgive but take revenge immediately; se we swear by this Muslim imam and Jewish sage or Christian saint (and others in other religions).

And they pray and call on this patron to protect them and give them what they need: because they believe in the material idol, not in God the Creator to whom the prayer is due and the expenditure should be to His sake not for the sake of such patrons;

therefore this is the idolatry has come once again in the form of such patrons.

The patron saint

 

[eanassir]

"her people" are all individuals with minds of their own and wills of their own to determine for themselves what they want to believe.

I know they are individuals but generally there is some God worshipped by each nation; I asked her about that; and you deny every word I say whether wrong or correct; and in fact I deny every word that you said and object to all your words that are only insisting and fallacy.

Besides that there is no evidence that there are not many gods. .. so there is no difference between you and Christians, Jews, Jainists, etc. because you all idolize a single god.

There is all evidence but you insist and deny all evidence that to every thing there should be a maker and to every order there should be a doer.

There is absolutely no evidence to support the existence of any gods. All you have is words and that is not evidence. So talk all you want, you cannot supply any evidence.

To God Almighty and Creator, yes there is the evidence of cause and design and all other arguments and proofs which you display then deny (In the book of the atheist Dowkins or Hitchins they use such cunning way of displaying the arguments then say these are not justifiable in insisting way), but your denial is not any evidence; it is only a sort of insisting like the insisting of the politician in the election :-|