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[SirJosephPorter]

I used the word "liberals" but should have said "Democrats" as your main point was that the U.S. political system is broken. However, my use of the word liberal could be applied to either side of the border. My point was simple: Your judgement of whether or not a system is broken is influenced and/or clouded by your extreme political leanings, thus removing any possibility of an objective assessement.

That is very subjective, courntyboy. I could easily argue the other way. You claim the system is not broken because it is working well for your side, for Republicans; they can block anything that Democrats propose.

If the shoe had been on the other foot (if Democrats had 41 Senators and Republicans 59 senators), you would be arguing that the system is indeed broken, since then it would work against your party (Democrats would be able to block everything that Republicans want to do).

And don’t think that won’t happen. It did happen under Bush. Next time Republicans control Congress, Democrats will block everything they want to do (assuming they have at least 41 Senators).

The fact is, US system is broken, has been broken for a long time now, since the days of Clinton.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Tradition, that is a very British thing used many times in the House of Commons and something Canada also tries to follow. Filibuster is part of most political systems, and at times a very powerful tool. We may not like it when it is being used against something we think important, but it is what it is. .

Filibuster is not part of most political systems, there is no filibuster in Canada (or in Britain, in fact it doesn’t existing most democracies). In Canada, anything can be passed by a simple majority.

Filibuster is purely an American invention, put in place to make sure that the two parties work together. The problem with that is that when the two parties refuse to work together, when they become as partisan as political parties in Canada, the system breaks down.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Dem Congressman Barney Frank is one of the lead members trying to change the fillibuster...and is also a hypocrite. During the Bush years Barney Frank to the lead opposition and tried to fillibuster Bush's judicial nominees and was called a hero around these parts for doing so.

Now he wants to change it. :roll:

That is nonsense. Franks is not even in the senate, he is in the House. There is no filibuster in the House. How can Franks change filibuster in the Senate, when he is not even in the Senate?

The Republicans were at one time considering getting rid of the filibuster, and they may well do that the next time they control the Senate.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Anyway, the latest opinion poll illustrates the problem Joan of Arc faces. According to ABC opinion poll, 71 % of Americans do not think that Joan of Arc is qualified to be the president. Only 26 % think that she is qualified to be the president. Even a majority of Republicans now think that she is not qualified to be the president. 37% of Americans view her favorably, down from 43%.

Her acolytes won’t accept the result of the poll of course; according to them the poll is cooked. That 26% who think she is qualified to be the president, is just about the strength of the far right Republican base, the Tea Party supporters.

I for one, certainly hope that she wins the Republican nomination (she has a very good chance of winning it). In this, I am in agreement with the Tea Party supporters.


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[countryboy]

Filibuster is not part of most political systems, there is no filibuster in Canada (or in Britain, in fact it doesn’t existing most democracies). In Canada, anything can be passed by a simple majority.

Filibuster is purely an American invention, put in place to make sure that the two parties work together. The problem with that is that when the two parties refuse to work together, when they become as partisan as political parties in Canada, the system breaks down.

That's a bit like saying my car "broke down" because I drove it into a tree. There might be an issue of leadership (i.e., who's driving the car?) in here somewhere.

 

[countryboy]

That is very subjective, courntyboy. I could easily argue the other way. You claim the system is not broken because it is working well for your side, for Republicans; they can block anything that Democrats propose.

I am? "My side?" Where do you come up with these fantasies?

If the shoe had been on the other foot (if Democrats had 41 Senators and Republicans 59 senators), you would be arguing that the system is indeed broken, since then it would work against your party (Democrats would be able to block everything that Republicans want to do).

I would? Gee, now you've gone beyond telling me what I do know and have "progressed" to telling me what I'm going to do!

SirJP, you are one amazing guy. I can only hope that someday I'll be able to come close to having your ability to tell people what they should know or do, what they're going to know or do, and when they're going to know it or do it. Like I said, amazing.

I shall now sit back and await furher instructions and guidance on what my next move will be. Or should be. 8O

 

[EagleSmack]

That is nonsense. Franks is not even in the senate, he is in the House. There is no filibuster in the House. How can Franks change filibuster in the Senate, when he is not even in the Senate?

Nonsense you say?

Barney Frank: 'God Didn't Create The Filibuster'

Then why does he not keep his trap shut? He was very outspoken pushing for the senate filibuster during the 2005 Bush Judicial nominees.

 

[TenPenny]

Palin has already started her campaign advertising. Here is a sample of her slogan:

 

[countryboy]

Palin has already started her campaign advertising. Here is a sample of her slogan:

Hey TP...that's cheatin'...I recognize "Japlish" when I see it! :lol:

 

[TenPenny]

Hey TP...that's cheatin'...I recognize "Japlish" when I see it! :lol:

Yes, but Alaska is near Asia, in fact, you can see Japanese cars from parts of Alaska.

 

[countryboy]

Yes, but Alaska is near Asia, in fact, you can see Japanese cars from parts of Alaska.

:lol::lol::lol: But the real question is, can you see Massachusetts from Washington? (It seems be quite distant, for some!) :lol::lol::lol:

 

[DaSleeper]

A lot of people keep arguing that the U. S. is a democracy and expect it to operate as such.....It is not!
It's a Republic!.......There is a difference....And Progressives...on both sides of the aisle ...but mostly on the Left, are trying to turn it into a Democracy where the Ruling party can run roughshod over the other side........But folks.....Once again...it ain't working:lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

That's a bit like saying my car "broke down" because I drove it into a tree. There might be an issue of leadership (i.e., who's driving the car?) in here somewhere.

Of course it is an issue of leadership, countryboy. The leadership of both parties is unwilling to compromise.

Nevertheless, that exposes the flaw in American system. There is no compromise necessary in Canadian (or British) system, provided one party has the majority.

It is the American system that is broken, and the reason is the leadership. So while it is very much a leadership issue, the system is also broken.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Nonsense you say?

Barney Frank: 'God Didn't Create The Filibuster'

Then why does he not keep his trap shut? He was very outspoken pushing for the senate filibuster during the 2005 Bush Judicial nominees.

He may be outspoken, he is allowed to have his opinion. But what can he do to get rid of the filibuster, when he is not in the senate? His opinions as to the filibuster are irrelevant, he doesn't have any power in the senate.

Bringing him into the argument is simply a red herring.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

A lot of people keep arguing that the U. S. is a democracy and expect it to operate as such.....It is not!
It's a Republic!.......There is a difference....And Progressives...on both sides of the aisle ...but mostly on the Left, are trying to turn it into a Democracy where the Ruling party can run roughshod over the other side........But folks.....Once again...it ain't working:lol:

It is not the Democrats, but the Republicans who were trying to get rid of the filibuster when they had control of the Congress. Chances are that they will get rid of the filibuster the next time they control the Senate (I don't think the Democrats are seriously considering it). It may be a good thing.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Palin has already started her campaign advertising. Here is a sample of her slogan:

Good for her. I hope she gets the Republican nomination.

 

[EagleSmack]

He may be outspoken, he is allowed to have his opinion. But what can he do to get rid of the filibuster, when he is not in the senate? His opinions as to the filibuster are irrelevant, he doesn't have any power in the senate.

Bringing him into the argument is simply a red herring.

Perhaps you can write the bozo and tell him so.

On second thought, if U.S Congressman Frank's opinion of the filibuster is irrelevent... why are you even yapping about it?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Perhaps you can write the bozo and tell him so.

On second thought, if U.S Congressman Frank's opinion of the filibuster is irrelevent... why are you even yapping about it?

You are the one who brought it up, EagleSmack, not me. Franks is the favorite whipping boy of the Republicans, he is a thorn in the flesh for them. He does not take any guff from any Republican, he gives as good as he gets. And he is gay (and unapologetic about it), the favorite hate group of Republicans. Republicans would dearly love to bring him down, they hate Franks even more than they hate Obama, if such a thing is possible.

It is indicative of how much importance Republicans attach to Franks that you had to mention what he thinks of the filibuster, even though he has no power to do anything about it.

Anyway, so you were the one who brought it up, not me.

 

[EagleSmack]

Anyway, so you were the one who brought it up, not me.

BLAHblahBLAH...same ol Joey.

Yes I did and you said his opinions are irrelevant. So why are you yapping about it?

Actually it's arrogance like Barney's that got Scott Brown in office here in Massachusetts!

 

[SirJosephPorter]

BLAHblahBLAH...same ol Joey.

Yes I did and you said his opinions are irrelevant. So why are you yapping about it?

Actually it's arrogance like Barney's that got Scott Brown in office here in Massachusetts!

Again, you started yapping about him, not me. As to arrogance, do you think you will be able to get rid of your object of hatred, Franks at the next election? You wish.

Indeed, Franks is the ultimate Republican nightmare. Gay and unapologetic about it, that is enough for most Republicans to hate him with a passion. But it doesn’t stop there, he is a flaming liberal. He does not take any insults, any filth from any Republican, he gives as good as he gets, he hits where it hurts.

As a conservative Republican, you must be ashamed of your state that it can throw up such a capable, shrewd, clever, gay politician for the side you hate.

Anyway, you seem to love yapping about him, seeing that you mentioned his opinion of filibuster even though it has nothing to do with the subject.