Order of Canada Revoked for Stephen Fonyo

JLM

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Black was caught once. How many times was Fonyo caught being a criminal before they removed it? DOn't try to pretend they didn't leave him a chance to turn things around.

And who knows when it comes to improving his lot in life.... the Order sure didn't seem to be helping him at all.

Sorry Karrie, on this we have to agree to disagree.
 

karrie

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I think leaving anyone convicted of criminal activity in the Order of Canada is ridiculous personally. A membership which is based on trying to better your country, is not well served by the membership of people who break that country's laws.
 

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I think leaving anyone convicted of criminal activity in the Order of Canada is ridiculous personally. A membership which is based on trying to better your country, is not well served by the membership of people who break that country's laws.

If you are going to use "breaking the countrys laws" as a criteria for removing members, then I suggest you are on a pretty slippery slope. There would probably be virtually no one left in the order. So obviously someone is going to have to decide which laws and how many times. Do we have a genius who is able to do that fairly? Fonyo's transgression were (relatively speaking fairly minor) Assault probably was the most serious, but even at that I'd want to hear the circumstances & if there were mitigating factors. What about Mulroney? I don't think the surface has even been scratched re his dealings with Heinz the Kraut.
 

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So if one of these people gets a speeding ticket (which is breaking a law)...?
 

karrie

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If you are going to use "breaking the countrys laws" as a criteria for removing members, then I suggest you are on a pretty slippery slope. There would probably be virtually no one left in the order. So obviously someone is going to have to decide which laws and how many times. Do we have a genius who is able to do that fairly? Fonyo's transgression were (relatively speaking fairly minor) Assault probably was the most serious, but even at that I'd want to hear the circumstances & if there were mitigating factors. What about Mulroney? I don't think the surface has even been scratched re his dealings with Heinz the Kraut.

So you feel repeated DUI offenses are minor? I've seen the results of DUI. I've also seen the book thrown at MOST people over a single DUI offense... jobs nearly lost, lawyers costs crippling, a year of court monitored driving. The fact that he's committed this felony offence so many times is telling.
 

karrie

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So if one of these people gets a speeding ticket (which is breaking a law)...?

Come on now guys. There's a difference between a fine and jail time.

If you want to pretend you don't know what I'm talking about, swing away.
 

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According to what we've been seeing in Toronto, jaywalking is getting pretty deadly. Toronto is on a crackdown on that one, due to the high number of fatalities recently. It's not a felony, but it's deadly. Should that be included in the list of reasons for revoking this honour?
 

karrie

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According to what we've been seeing in Toronto, jaywalking is getting pretty deadly. Toronto is on a crackdown on that one, due to the high number of fatalities recently. It's not a felony, but it's deadly. Should that be included in the list of reasons for revoking this honour?

I'd stick to jailable offenses, such as felonies like DUI, or crimes like assault with a weapon. Embezzlement. You know... the kind of **** that undercuts our country, not helps it.

I'd also stick to the way they do it now of councils that look over each case. I'd just be damn quicker about it than they are.
 

countryboy

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Come on now guys. There's a difference between a fine and jail time.

If you want to pretend you don't know what I'm talking about, swing away.

Come on now Karrie - it's not a matter of knowing what one is talking about...it's all just a matter of opinion.
 

JLM

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Come on now Karrie - it's not a matter of knowing what one is talking about...it's all just a matter of opinion.

Yes, and I wouldn't suspect any one of the honourable members has ever been guilty of taking on a cell phone while driving (Just as deadly as impaired driving according to the authorities)
 

karrie

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So you feel repeated DUI offenses are minor? I've seen the results of DUI. I've also seen the book thrown at MOST people over a single DUI offense... jobs nearly lost, lawyers costs crippling, a year of court monitored driving. The fact that he's committed this felony offence so many times is telling.

I'm just going to go back and bump this one, since these points keep getting skipped over, and light keeps being made of the felony charges Fonyo's been convicted of.
 

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I'm just going to go back and bump this one, since these points keep getting skipped over, and light keeps being made of the felony charges Fonyo's been convicted of.

Good bump:canada:

Fukk Fonyo. There is a country, forget which one, in which DUI's are summarily executed. A bit harsh, but just a bit. They'd do severe jail time and NEVER drive again on my watch. If'n I was in charge. Which I ain't. Lucky drunks.
 

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I'm just going to go back and bump this one, since these points keep getting skipped over, and light keeps being made of the felony charges Fonyo's been convicted of.

The felony charges are a separate issue, we've already established that in that the arch felon (Mr. Suit and tie Black) still has his.
 

JLM

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Good bump:canada:

Fukk Fonyo. There is a country, forget which one, in which DUI's are summarily executed. A bit harsh, but just a bit. They'd do severe jail time and NEVER drive again on my watch. If'n I was in charge. Which I ain't. Lucky drunks.

That would be El Salvador (they don't have a great sense of humour down there). I guess you would give serious jail time for talking on cell phones while driving and never let THEM drive again either. I have nothing against anyone's opinion as long as there is consistency.
 

karrie

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The felony charges are a separate issue, we've already established that in that the arch felon (Mr. Suit and tie Black) still has his.

Which I don't think he should. Plus, as TenPenny pointed out, Black is also on the chopping block.
 

karrie

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I can't see into the future JLM, nor can I control their council. Black should have lost his by now... but it doesn't mean Fonyo deserves his just because there's someone dirtier out there.
 

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Black was caught once. How many times was Fonyo caught being a criminal before they removed it? DOn't try to pretend they didn't leave him a chance to turn things around.

And who knows when it comes to improving his lot in life.... the Order sure didn't seem to be helping him at all.

Absolutely right Karrie, and I'm sure that in Fonyo's case it wasn't an instant decision to revoke his membership. It wasn't as if there was only the one charge on his record. There were many, any one of which could have sent him to jail, and that is where he is right now.