Chavez says U.S. occupying Haiti in name of aid

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America didn't do all that well with New Orleans, their foreign policy towards Haiti has a history. Those aspects cannot be ignored in that it was not always the poorest of Haiti that were considered as being important people. If you want conspiracy material then look no further
"On Monday, Jean Demay, DISA's technical manager for the agency's Transnational Information Sharing Cooperation project, happened to be at the headquarters of the U.S. Southern Command in Miami preparing for a test of the system in a scenario that involved providing relief to Haiti in the wake of a hurricane. After the earthquake hit on Tuesday, Demay said SOUTHCOM decided to go live with the system. On Wednesday, DISA opened up its All Partners Access Network, supported by the Transnational Information Sharing Cooperation project, to any organization supporting Haiti relief efforts."
Defense launches online system to coordinate Haiti relief efforts - Nextgov
 

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Well what do you expect from the folks that are just plain envious of us. Haters. Chavez can't do much more than send canned spam and so he has to resort to propaganda.



So yeah...we're gonna be there a long time and we're taking guns with us. What are you going to do about it?
 
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My article and it`s relevance redeemed.:canada:

Well what do you expect from the folks that are just plain envious of us. Haters. Chavez can't do much more than send canned spam and so he has to resort to propaganda.



So yeah...we're gonna be there a long time and we're taking guns with us. What are you going to do about it?
 
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Haitian Earthquake: Made in the USA

As grim accounts of the earthquake in Haiti came in, the accounts in U.S.-controlled state media all carried the same descriptive sentence: "Haiti is the poorest country in the Western hemisphere..."

Gee, I wonder how that happened?

You'd think Haiti would be loaded. After all, it made a lot of people rich.

How did Haiti get so poor? Despite a century of American colonialism, occupation, and propping up corrupt dictators? Even though the CIA staged coups d'état against every democratically elected president they ever had?

It's an important question. An earthquake isn't just an earthquake. The same 7.0 tremor hitting San Francisco wouldn't kill nearly as many people as in Port-au-Prince.
"Looking at the pictures, essentially it looks as if (the buildings are of) breezeblock or cinderblock construction, and what you need in an earthquake zone is metal bars that connect the blocks so that they stay together when they get shaken," notes Sandy Steacey, director of the Environmental Science Research Institute at the University of Ulster in Northern Ireland. "In a wealthy country with good seismic building codes that are enforced, you would have some damage, but not very much."

When a pile of cinderblocks falls on you, your odds of survival are long. Even if you miraculously survive, a poor country like Haiti doesn't have the equipment, communications infrastructure or emergency service personnel to pull you out of the rubble in time. And if your neighbors get you out, there's no ambulance to take you to the hospital--or doctor to treat you once you get there.

Earthquakes are random events. How many people they kill is predetermined. In Haiti this week, don't blame tectonic plates. Ninety-nine percent of the death toll is attributable to poverty.

So the question is relevant. How'd Haiti become so poor?

The story begins in 1910, when a U.S. State Department-National City Bank of New York (now called Citibank) consortium bought the Banque National d'Haïti--Haiti's only commercial bank and its national treasury--in effect transferring Haiti's debts to the Americans. Five years later, President Woodrow Wilson ordered troops to occupy the country in order to keep tabs on "our" investment.

From 1915 to 1934, the U.S. Marines imposed harsh military occupation, murdered Haitians patriots and diverted 40 percent of Haiti's gross domestic product to U.S. bankers. Haitians were banned from government jobs. Ambitious Haitians were shunted into the puppet military, setting the stage for a half-century of U.S.-backed military dictatorship.

The U.S. kept control of Haiti's finances until 1947.

Still--why should Haitians complain? Sure, we stole 40 percent of Haiti's national wealth for 32 years. But we let them keep 60 percent.

Whiners.

Despite having been bled dry by American bankers and generals, civil disorder prevailed until 1957, when the CIA installed President-for-Life François "Papa Doc" Duvalier. Duvalier's brutal Tonton Macoutes paramilitary goon squads murdered at least 30,000 Haitians and drove educated people to flee into exile. But think of the cup as half-full: fewer people in the population means fewer people competing for the same jobs!

Upon Papa Doc's death in 1971, the torch passed to his even more dissolute 19-year-old son, Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier. The U.S., cool to Papa Doc in his later years, quickly warmed back up to his kleptomaniacal playboy heir. As the U.S. poured in arms and trained his army as a supposed anti-communist bulwark against Castro's Cuba, Baby Doc stole an estimated $300 to $800 million from the national treasury, according to Transparency International. The money was placed in personal accounts in Switzerland and elsewhere.

Under U.S. influence, Baby Doc virtually eliminated import tariffs for U.S. goods. Soon Haiti was awash predatory agricultural imports dumped by American firms. Domestic rice farmers went bankrupt. A nation that had been agriculturally self-sustaining collapsed. Farms were abandoned. Hundreds of thousands of farmers migrated to the teeming slums of Port-au-Prince.
The Duvalier era, 29 years in all, came to an end in 1986 when President Ronald Reagan ordered U.S. forces to whisk Baby Doc to exile in France, saving him from a popular uprising.
Once again, Haitians should thank Americans. Duvalierism was "tough love." Forcing Haitians to make do without their national treasury was our nice way or encouraging them to work harder, to lift themselves up by their bootstraps. Or, in this case, flipflops.
Anyway.

The U.S. has been all about tough love ever since. We twice deposed the populist and popular democratically-elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The second time, in 2004, we even gave him a free flight to the Central African Republic! (He says the CIA kidnapped him, but whatever.) Hey, he needed a rest. And it was kind of us to support a new government formed by former Tonton Macoutes.

Yet, despite everything we've done for Haiti, they're still a fourth-world failed state on a fault line.

And still, we haven't given up. American companies like Disney generously pay wages to their sweatshop workers of 28 cents an hour.

What more do these ingrates want?

Haitian Earthquake: Made in the USA | CommonDreams.org
 

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Well this whole brouha wasnt about free speech,we all have that,it was about the incredible amount of anti american spam filling the site by a few posters and posted to drop any other topics off the page and I see more is going on as I type this so if I want to go to a site that condones this I will but I thought it was a Canadian site for Canadian content.
Have fun,no wonder theres no new members.
I wont waste any more time posting Canadian topics if this crap takes over the site which it has,pretty sad when a couple of peeps can manipulate a whole website to push their agenda and trust me,I am not the only one who feels this way.


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Well this whole brouha wasnt about free speech,we all have that,it was about the incredible amount of anti american spam filling the site by a few posters and posted to drop any other topics off the page and I see more is going on as I type this so if I want to go to a site that condones this I will but I thought it was a Canadian site for Canadian content.
Have fun,no wonder theres no new members.
I wont waste any more time posting Canadian topics if this crap takes over the site which it has,pretty sad when a couple of peeps can manipulate a whole website to push their agenda and trust me,I am not the only one who feels this way.


Zig
If you find the topics that have an international flavor (or some other parameter) are not part of your reason for being here why click on them? If there are 10 topics that link to Haiti in some fashion in the 'newest list' so what, up to 200,000 have died, if aid gets delayed for any reason that total climbs dramatically.
Why on earth would international topics make you want to not post some threads about Canadian topics?
You tend to throw out lots of subtle insults, how is that not 'anti-insert title here'?
Here is how you did it in this post, 'anti american spam' denotes that anything critical about the US is baseless lie', was it Haiti that asked for 10,000 'security orientated troops' or was it a decision made in Washington on just how 'aid' will be defined? I would think the Japanese would be much better at running relief efforts in a quake zone.
Has the US asked Cuba to supply an area to be used for a supply depot?
Have you seen any American media mention that Cuba had 3,000 medical personal in Haiti at the time of the quake?
With the history of US military in Central America that aspect should not be ignored.
 

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I wonder how much bitching and whining there would be if the US just took a "screw you" attitude?
Didn't they do that with New Orleans? I thought some (quite a bit) international aid offers were turned down by the US Gov, I doubt the ones in need of aid would care what country it comes from. Left to their own devices that wasn't a model of perfection in how well it went for the poorest of the people.
 

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So yeah...we're gonna be there a long time and we're taking guns with us. What are you going to do about it?
I was wondering how I would eventually answer this part of your post. Wouldn't it be in your best interest to also give all the Natives an Uzi with lots of clips so they could 'watch your back'?
 

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Didn't they do that with New Orleans? I thought some (quite a bit) international aid offers were turned down by the US Gov, I doubt the ones in need of aid would care what country it comes from. Left to their own devices that wasn't a model of perfection in how well it went for the poorest of the people.

If I remember correctly, the yanks turned down aid from Cuba.
 

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When the wells dry up so will Chavez.
 

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If you find the topics that have an international flavor (or some other parameter) are not part of your reason for being here why click on them? If there are 10 topics that link to Haiti in some fashion in the 'newest list' so what, up to 200,000 have died, if aid gets delayed for any reason that total climbs dramatically.
Why on earth would international topics make you want to not post some threads about Canadian topics?
You tend to throw out lots of subtle insults, how is that not 'anti-insert title here'?
Here is how you did it in this post, 'anti american spam' denotes that anything critical about the US is baseless lie', was it Haiti that asked for 10,000 'security orientated troops' or was it a decision made in Washington on just how 'aid' will be defined? I would think the Japanese would be much better at running relief efforts in a quake zone.
Has the US asked Cuba to supply an area to be used for a supply depot?
Have you seen any American media mention that Cuba had 3,000 medical personal in Haiti at the time of the quake?
With the history of US military in Central America that aspect should not be ignored.

Heres a definition of the term "foiler" and sorry if you think it's derogatory but it's not.

A tin foil hat is a piece of headgear made from one or more sheets of aluminium foil or similar material. Alternatively it may be a conventional hat lined with foil. Some people wear the hats in the belief that they act to shield the brain from such influences as electromagnetic fields, or against mind control and/or mind reading; they also serve to attempt to limit the transmission of voices directly into the brain.
The concept of wearing a tin foil hat for protection from such threats has become a popular stereotype and term of derision; the phrase serves as a byword for paranoia and persecutory delusions, and is associated with conspiracy theorists.
The reasons for their use include the supposed prevention of perceived harassment from governments, spies or paranormal beings. These draw on the stereotypical images of mind control operating by ESP or technological means, like microwave radiation. The effectiveness of tin foil hats is disputable; however, the belief in their necessity is popularly associated with paranoia
:cool:
 

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It's not the first time he has posted those same words. How much heavy equipment is coming along with those troops? Any snipers?

You're right too. You think I am going to sit back and let haters spew hate without speaking up.

TONS of heavy equipment and supplies are coming. That is what truly makes you mad.

I doubt many snipers are going along but there are lots of guns going to be on the ground protecting supplies from machete weilding thugs. Canada is sending 1,000 troops as well. Do you think they are going with Super Soakers?