I suppose he could have worded it better but I'm sure what he meant was that of the major players, Morgan Stanley was the only one playing.
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I suppose he could have worded it better but I'm sure what he meant was that of the major players, Morgan Stanley was the only one playing.
Not one company, all the investment companies are playing the markets (lots of money, but low volume). What I meant was that the average investor has not come back into the markets yet like they use to before the crash, and that is the reason there are not the high volumes of sales like we used to have.
See JLM? Exactly what I said he meant.
Ironsides, volume is caused by the big investors, like corporations, mutual funds, pension funds etc. Individual investor (like me) are strictly bit players. So I don't really see how the volume can be low if major players are investing. There is an inconsistency there. Do you have a link where it says that?
You were right, I was wrong (if we ain't wrong sometimes we ain't learnin')
The information can be found on NY Stock exchange, CNBC or Bloomberg on cable, I look at them all. The major player are those companies mentioned, but the small investor was the driving force. They were burnt and are just now starting to come out of hiding so to speak. Lets see what the market looks like in 6 months, then we can say with more certainty that we are safe, out go back to hoarding gold.
The information can be found on NY Stock exchange, CNBC or Bloomberg on cable, I look at them all. The major player are those companies mentioned, but the small investor was the driving force. They were burnt and are just now starting to come out of hiding so to speak. Lets see what the market looks like in 6 months, then we can say with more certainty that we are safe, out go back to hoarding gold.
Not to mention the fact that there are a hell of a lot more small investors than big investors, which is where the numbers come from.
The 'average' investors don't make up any significant volume. It's pension funds and the investment banks that make up the volume.
Quite so, TenPenny. Average investor like me may buy or sell hundreds or thousands of shares at a time (and may trade once every few weeks or even few months), big investor will trade millions (and may trade several times a day).
Indeed, one mutual fund or one pension fund represents hundreds of thousands or perhaps millions of investors. There just are not that may investors who invest directly in the stock market, they may have money in mutual funds, pensions plan etc.
Anyway, ironsides, I see you did not really answer my question. Do you have a link which says:
- Only major investors are investing and
- As a result of that the volume is low?
Personally I find that difficult to believe.
Not that many more, JLM. Those who have money in mutual funds or pension plan do not count, they form part of the big investors. Only those who directly invest in stock market in a substantial way (if you hold a couple of hundred shares in say Royal Bank and nothing else, you can hardly be called an investor) can be considered small investors, and there just are not that many to compete with big investors.
Indeed, it is the big investors who fix the price of a stock, who can talk a stock up or down etc. They call the shots, we small investors are just along for the ride. We can take advantages of opportunities as they arise, but that is it. Big investors can sometimes create their own opportunities.
Anyway, I am not sure that this is the right time for the small investor to get in. The right time was last year. I personally am not putting any more money into the market until I see a correction of 10 or 15 %.
Yep, right now is a good time to be moving money from stocks into things like Gov't bond, mortgages and commercial property.
Those are just conclusions I came to from watching Bloomberg and CNBC and others, There are millions of people like you and I (small investors), individually we do not buy a lot, but combined we are a enormous market.
Is that the best you can do, Walter? ‘You lie’? How boring, how commonplace. Surely you can do better than that. Right wing jut jobs have called him (incidentally, it is politically incorrect to refer to him as Barry, the far right politically correct way to refer to him is B. Hussein Osama) a Communist, A Nazi, a Fascist, a Socialist, a USSR (that is not Russia, but former USSR) spy, an illegal alien, a Muslim terrorist and so on.
And all you can come up with is ‘you lie’? Why, you will be voted out of the club.
Oh, so you haven’t actually read it anywhere. Well, then as I said I disagree with you. I think it is the major investors how make up most of the volume, the individual investors are bit players, they don’t really have much influence on the market.
