Ontario takes Asian carp fight to U.S. Supreme Court

Johnnny

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A potentially 60lb freshwater fish that can eat 30lbs a day...and they
can go airborn to avoid obstacles and predators...and they like cold
water.

it is bad they are massive eating machines, and on top of that they destroy the bottam and uproot plants to find food. This may not sound bad to most people, but since the zebra mussels cleaned out the water to make it sparkling clear most of the food is at the bottam. This will equal out to a big **** storm
 

Ron in Regina

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With their growth rate...it's a shame they're not good eating. Perhaps
they can be commercially harvested for pet food or fertilizer or
something along those lines. The answer might lay in making
it profitable to clean up (or clean out) this mess....
 

Tonington

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With their growth rate...it's a shame they're not good eating. Perhaps
they can be commercially harvested for pet food or fertilizer or
something along those lines. The answer might lay in making
it profitable to clean up (or clean out) this mess....

Did you see my link earlier? Carp pituitary extract. Not cheap stuff.
 

Ron in Regina

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The solution is to eat them. Turn them into fish sticks or fillet-o-fish, or something like that. I mean those value added products taste like crap anyways. Who would notice? Heck, McDonalds could even call the Fillet-o-fish an ecologically responsible product, or some other BS branding.

Gill nets, electro-fish, anglers, dip-net, whatever. Just catch them. I told this to Bear once before too; there's a product used to induce spawning in captive fish species that fail to mature sexually in domestic environments. It's called Carp pituitary extract. Sells for more than cocaine.


Can this Carp Pituitary Extract be used on other species of fish other
than Carp? If it can only be used on Carp, for captive breeding programs,
and these Asian Carp where formerly captive critters until they got away,
isn't the idea self defeating and just setting ourselves up for another
escape? Can the Asian Carp Pituitary Extract be used on other Carp
species, if not other completely different fish?
 

Tonington

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You can use it on carp, catfish, salmon, trout, bass, muskellunge...and many other species. It's more effective in some species than others. That's just due to slight differences in the hormones stimulating the pituitary gland.
 

Ron in Regina

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Cool....well, Pitter-Patter.....or is there a reason this isn't already being implemented
on a mass scale already? Is the market there to do this on a mass scale and clean
out the Asian Carp from North American waters for this Extract?
 

Tonington

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Cool....well, Pitter-Patter.....or is there a reason this isn't already being implemented
on a mass scale already? Is the market there to do this on a mass scale and clean
out the Asian Carp from North American waters for this Extract?

I'm not sure what's going on in Illinois. I know here in the Maritimes we have an invasive crustacean, the Green crab, which destroys habitat, and preys on shellfish farms. But you're not allowed to catch them. Technically you're not even supposed to kill them...but I killed every one I saw. The meat yield isn't very good for the green crab as a commercial species, about 30%.

A lot of the extract comes from Asia, they farm millions of tonnes of carp. So it might not be so cost effective to fish for them here. It's hard to compete with Chinese producers...
 

Nuggler

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:angry3:pREDICTION:

The gov. is gonna talk the talk, and talk the talk, and talk the talk, and the US is gonna do dick crap.

These fish will be in Lake Ont. by this time next year, or before; and then spread like wildfire to the rest of the great lakes and tribs.

Then the rivers.

Any gov. that took the size limit off bass (Ont. at least) because they didn't want to pay the price of enforcement, is going to sit with their thumbs firmly up their asses while these fish spread.

.............hope I"m wrong.
 

Nuggler

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:angry3: Like the Americans are going to close down the Chicago shipping canal. And that electric barrier is infallible.

Just makes ya wanna say **** it!
 

ironsides

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I used to live in Binghamton, NY right where the Chenango and Susquehanna river meet. (1946-47) Giant carp maybe 3-4 feet long or larger swam by us, never saw one jump though. Fishing for them wasn't to exciting either, like pulling in a tire that moves a little. They will probably eat the lampreys eventually, they eat almost everything. I'm not sure there is anything that can be done without poisoning all the Great Lakes and tributary rivers that flow into them.
 

ironsides

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:angry3:pREDICTION:

The gov. is gonna talk the talk, and talk the talk, and talk the talk, and the US is gonna do dick crap.

These fish will be in Lake Ont. by this time next year, or before; and then spread like wildfire to the rest of the great lakes and tribs.

Then the rivers.

Any gov. that took the size limit off bass (Ont. at least) because they didn't want to pay the price of enforcement, is going to sit with their thumbs firmly up their asses while these fish spread.

.............hope I"m wrong.

Do not think your wrong.
What has Canada done about the zebra mussels, nothing just talk talk talk like us.
 

lone wolf

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What has Canada done about the zebra mussels, nothing just talk talk talk like us.

There was an old lady who swallowed a fly. Perhaps, she'll die.

Zebra mussels have no known predators. Asian carp have no known predators. If there is one, what else does it eat? Talk is about all we can do - short of drain, scrub, flush and fill.
 
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Ron in Regina

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:angry3:pREDICTION:

The gov. is gonna talk the talk, and talk the talk, and talk the talk, and the US is gonna do dick crap.

These fish will be in Lake Ont. by this time next year, or before; and then spread like wildfire to the rest of the great lakes and tribs.

Then the rivers.

Any gov. that took the size limit off bass (Ont. at least) because they didn't want to pay the price of enforcement, is going to sit with their thumbs firmly up their asses while these fish spread.

.............hope I"m wrong.


I guess we'd better come up with several good recipes for muddy tasting
Asian Carp then. I vote for Battered, Deep-Fried, & swimming in Tartar
Sauce. That should hide the taste of almost anything.
 

relic

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I've read it takes five pounds of fish meal to grow one pound of salmon {farmed fish}if they could use these things it may save some of the "good" fish that are being ground up now.