Democrat Congressman Switches to Republican Party

SirJosephPorter

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LMAO

So you admit it right?



Liberals can be and lots are. <ahem>

I never said "most" of anything you did and were proving wrong. Weren't you?

Dance for me!

Sorry EagleSmack, but you have been proven wrong. I don’t expect you to admit it, of course. After all, which conservative, which Republican is going to admit that he is wrong?
 

EagleSmack

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Sorry EagleSmack, but you have been proven wrong. I don’t expect you to admit it, of course. After all, which conservative, which Republican is going to admit that he is wrong?

Awwww...getting mad

You said "Eaglesmack thinks that most liberals are racist"

I actually said

"Lots of liberals are racist."

You're wrong...admit it. It is really cut and dry. There is no debate at all.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Awwww...getting mad

You said "Eaglesmack thinks that most liberals are racist"

I actually said

"Lots of liberals are racist."

You're wrong...admit it. It is really cut and dry. There is no debate at all.


Indeed it is cut and dry. I said that you said that most liberals are racist, you said that a lot of the liberals are racist, which is practically the same thing (but as I said, I wouldn’t expect you to admit it, can a conservative ever be wrong?).

But you are right, it is cut and dry, you said liberals are racist and then forgot all about it.
 

countryboy

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I see you were careful not to answer my question countryboy, so let me make one more attempt.

You clearly implied that Democrats are dumb. And by implication, Republicans are smart. They have to be, they are conservative, and so are you.

If that indeed is the case, would you say that American people are also dumb, since they voted for Democrats in large numbers in 2006 and 2008 and handed Republicans their head?

Here's what I said in post #9: "No, the average Democrat wouldn't understand the concept of continuous improvement." You immediately jumped to the conclusion that I was implying that all Democrats are dumb. First of all, I don't use the word "dumb" to describe any level of intelligence, even that of a Democrat, as much as I might disagree with their views. If you would take the time to ask for an interpretation of things you don't clearly understand, vs. jumping to conclusions and then spinning way off into some direction that is positively bewildering to me, then you could save both of us a lot of time.

So, even though you didn't take the time or have the common courtesy to ask, I will provide for you a translation of my remark in post #9: The Democratic party is not generally regarded as the "big business party" of the U.S. The concept of continuous improvement is part of an overall quality management concept which essentialy involves the control of outputs of an organization, and it is sometimes referred to as a "Quality Improvement Process." So, it would stand to reason in my mind (not yours, mine) that the average Democrat would not be as aware of concepts like this as perhaps the average Republican. I note that you have pointed out the close relationships between the Republican party and big business in a number of posts I have read. Does any of this have a least a whiff of logic to you?

Now I'm not going to comment on the rest of your questions here because, and not for the first time, you have put down words and assumptions that never came from me in the first place, and then tried to build some sort of fantasy case on that. If the foundation is wrong, so is the rest of the so-called "case." If you want to call Democrats dumb and Republicans smart, it is your choice to do so, not mine.

Furthermore, you seem to delight in throwing around words that can be quite insulting to people without any obvious thought as to the feelings of those people. I find that to be a very offensive habit and I wish you could find a less damaging way to express whatever it is that is bugging you. Wouldn't you rather bring forth the potential in you to be a nice guy?

Thank you for listening, and I hope these thoughts will help you to become a more productive and useful person in society, or at least in future discussions with me. If there are any.
 

SirJosephPorter

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So, even though you didn't take the time or have the common courtesy to ask, I will provide for you a translation of my remark in post #9: The Democratic party is not generally regarded as the "big business party" of the U.S. The concept of continuous improvement is part of an overall quality management concept which essentialy involves the control of outputs of an organization, and it is sometimes referred to as a "Quality Improvement Process." So, it would stand to reason in my mind (not yours, mine) that the average Democrat would not be as aware of concepts like this as perhaps the average Republican. I note that you have pointed out the close relationships between the Republican party and big business in a number of posts I have read. Does any of this have a least a whiff of logic to you?


No, it doesn’t have a whiff of logic. Your statement that Democrats are not generally regarded as big business party is generally correct. However, it is a statistical statement, not a statement of fact.

Let me demonstrate the difference. If you say sun rises in the east, that is a statement of fact. It means every day, year after year, century after century, sun will rise in the east without exception. That statement can then be used in further generalizations (e.g. if you see something rising in the west at dawn, it obviously cannot be the sun). Since it is a statement of fact, it can be applied to an individual case, an individual day.

However, when it comes to big business, it is not a statement of fact, it is a statistical statement. What that means is that maybe 60% or 70% of big businesses support Republican Party, 30 or 40% big businesses support Democratic party. So there are still plenty of big businesses who support the democratic party.

Your statement, “the average Democrat wouldn't understand the concept of continuous improvement.", was based upon the assumption that big business doesn’t support Democratic party is a statement of fact, not statistical statement. But it is a statistical statement, and it is always dangerous, nonsense to apply statistical conclusions to a particular case.

Again, let me give you an example. Men are taller than women, a true enough statement. Based upon that, can you say that the next man you see will be taller than next woman you see? You cannot.

It is the same here. The fact that a majority of big businesses support Republican party does not really say anything about whether an average Democrat would be familiar with the concept of continuous improvement. All that means is that if you took say, 100,000 democrats, perhaps 20,000 may be familiar with the concept, while out of 100,000 Republicans, maybe 70 or 80,000 will be familiar with the concept.

But it says nothing whatever about any particular Democrat, any more than you can see with any certainty that the next man you see will be taller than the next woman you see.

I hope that clarifies the matter.
 
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Important phrases to practice:

I didn't say that.
I said that, but I didn't mean that, I meant this.
You said this, but you really meant that.
This and that are almost the same anyway.
Don't be pedantic.
 

countryboy

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No, it doesn’t have a whiff of logic. Your statement that Democrats are not generally regarded as big business party is generally correct. However, it is a statistical statement, not a statement of fact.

Let me demonstrate the difference. If you say sun rises in the east, that is a statement of fact. It means every day, year after year, century after century, sun will rise in the east without exception. That statement can then be used in further generalizations (e.g. if you see something rising in the west at dawn, it obviously cannot be the sun). Since it is a statement of fact, it can be applied to an individual case, an individual day.

However, when it comes to big business, it is not a statement of fact, it is a statistical statement. What that means is that maybe 60% or 70% of big businesses support Republican Party, 30 or 40% big businesses support Democratic party. So there are still plenty of big businesses who support the democratic party.

Your statement, “the average Democrat wouldn't understand the concept of continuous improvement.", was based upon the assumption that big business doesn’t support Democratic party is a statement of fact, not statistical statement. But it is a statistical statement, and it is always dangerous, nonsense to apply statistical conclusions to a particular case.

Again, let me give you an example. Men are taller than women, a true enough statement. Based upon that, can you say that the next man you see will be taller than next woman you see? You cannot.

It is the same here. The fact that a majority of big businesses support Republican party does not really say anything about whether an average Democrat would be familiar with the concept of continuous improvement. All that means is that if you took say, 100,000 democrats, perhaps 20,000 may be familiar with the concept, while out of 100,000 Republicans, maybe 70 or 80,000 will be familiar with the concept.

But it says nothing whatever about any particular Democrat, any more than you can see with any certainty that the next man you see will be taller than the next woman you see.

I hope that clarifies the matter.

Eh??
 

SirJosephPorter

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If you don’t understand the difference between statistical statement (men are taller than women, or big businesses support Republican Party) and statement of fact (sun rises in the East, or men cannot get pregnant), let us just drop the whole thing.
 

countryboy

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If you don’t understand the difference between statistical statement (men are taller than women, or big businesses support Republican Party) and statement of fact (sun rises in the East, or men cannot get pregnant), let us just drop the whole thing.

What a good idea! Now you're making sense.
 

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''Come 2012, ALL Senators, ALL house members will be Republicans, Joan of Arc will be crowned as the president, God’s party will have an iron grip on the country and there will be 1000 year Kingdom of Christ (sorry, of Republicans) in USA.''


No wonder they say 2012 will be the year of Armageddon!
 

ironsides

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Quite. So since we had Senator Specter switch from Republican Party to Democratic Party, can we expect more Senators to defect from Republican Party to democratic Party? Change starts with one.

I don't see to many more Senator Specter types getting ready to jump from Rep. to Dem. The Republican party is finally starting to get some cohesion. As I have posted before there are many new faces preparing to run next year.
 

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''Come 2012, ALL Senators, ALL house members will be Republicans, Joan of Arc will be crowned as the president, God’s party will have an iron grip on the country and there will be 1000 year Kingdom of Christ (sorry, of Republicans) in USA.''


No wonder they say 2012 will be the year of Armageddon!

Lets not forget the right wing religious euphoria that will engulf Canada, forcing all those who do not believe to move to Baffin Island..
:lol: :lol:

We will get another 1000 years and supposedly peaceful years. ;-)
 

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''Come 2012, ALL Senators, ALL house members will be Republicans, Joan of Arc will be crowned as the president, God’s party will have an iron grip on the country and there will be 1000 year Kingdom of Christ (sorry, of Republicans) in USA.''


No wonder they say 2012 will be the year of Armageddon!

Alfred, that sounds positively MAD! Is it getting a bit lonely out there in Minnesota?

I know some good Republican folks in the Twin Cities area...maybe they could help you.