Death knell for AGW

[Tonington]

Ahh. Well right now the flux of freshwater is most dependent on temperature. Precipitation moving around still ends up back in the ocean, I think precipitation is roughly equal to evaporation. The melting ice is probably best thought of in a similar manner to fossil fuels. It's like liquidating a bank account.

 

[TenPenny]

The alberto effect - frizy hair.

 

[AnnaG]

It's not that simple. Increased melt water in the Northern Hemisphere is offset by a warming Southern Ocean. Previous deglaciations show the Southern hemisphere warming before Greenland, which strengthens the formation of the North Atlantic deep water, while melt water from the Atlantic basin generally reduces the circulation.

These changes are related to the orbital forcing, which presently is not a factor. It's unclear what happens when you get Southern ocean warming happening at the same time as Northern Atlantic ice melt.

Turbulence in the middle? lol Indigestion, I think it's called.

 

[AnnaG]

lol I like the Alberta Effect. Good for a giggle, TP.

 

[big]

Wrong. But, you can always claim that ignorance is bliss.

Locked up in a lab, ignorance is not bliss.

 

[AnnaG]

Locked up in a lab, ignorance is not bliss.

wow That's a terrible attempt at spinning what I said.

 

[big]

wow That's a terrible attempt at spinning what I said.

Spin has two directions (up and down).

 

[TenPenny]

Spin has two directions (up and down).

That would depend on the axis of rotation.

 

[big]

That would depend on the axis of rotation.

The rule of thumb is simple.

 

[Walter]

Australia's Parliament defeats global warming bill

By ROHAN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writer Rohan Sullivan, Associated Press Writer – Wed Dec 2, 2:45 am ET
SYDNEY – Australia's plans for an emissions trading system to combat global warming were scuttled Wednesday in Parliament, handing a defeat to a government that had hoped to set an example at international climate change talks next week.
The Senate, where Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's government does not hold a majority, rejected his administration's proposal for Australia to become one of the first countries to install a so-called cap-and-trade system to slash the amount of heat-trapping pollution that industries pump into the air.
The 41-33 vote followed a tumultuous debate in which the conservative main opposition party at first agreed to support a version of the government's bill, then dramatically dumped its leader and switched sides after bitter divisions erupted within the party.

Sanity down-under.

 

[AnnaG]

Locked up in a lab, ignorance is not bliss.

Why are you locked up in a lab?

 

[AnnaG]

Spin has two directions (up and down).

Space has no up& down. That's a subjective gravitational thing. Spin can be any direction. You should pay more attention in your science classes.

 

[AnnaG]

The rule of thumb is simple.

A pitcher's thumb can help put sideways spin on a baseball. Then the spin isn't "up & down". :roll:

 

[AnnaG]

Australia's Parliament defeats global warming bill

By ROHAN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writer Rohan Sullivan, Associated Press Writer – Wed Dec 2, 2:45 am ET
SYDNEY – Australia's plans for an emissions trading system to combat global warming were scuttled Wednesday in Parliament, handing a defeat to a government that had hoped to set an example at international climate change talks next week.
The Senate, where Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's government does not hold a majority, rejected his administration's proposal for Australia to become one of the first countries to install a so-called cap-and-trade system to slash the amount of heat-trapping pollution that industries pump into the air.
The 41-33 vote followed a tumultuous debate in which the conservative main opposition party at first agreed to support a version of the government's bill, then dramatically dumped its leader and switched sides after bitter divisions erupted within the party.

Sanity down-under.

Yeah. I think the carbon trading thing isn't the best way to go about things.

 

[darkbeaver]

The machines scientist should be flogged and then drawn and quartered in every town square in the land maybe then the lying bags of **** will think twice about taking the bribes from the evil bankers.

 

[AnnaG]

hhmmm I think Beav's marbles have cracks in them.

 

[big]

Yeah. I think the carbon trading thing isn't the best way to go about things.

"Cap and trade" is better than the current "free for all".

 

[TenPenny]

"Cap and trade" is better than the current "free for all".

I expect that any of these carbon trading schemes are going to be taken over by the Wall St crowd, and the main beneficiary will be the investment bankers.

They are experts at finding ways to trade worthless pieces of paper, and then getting us to bail them out when they screw up.

 

[big]

I expect that any of these carbon trading schemes are going to be taken over by the Wall St crowd, and the main beneficiary will be the investment bankers.

They are experts at finding ways to trade worthless pieces of paper, and then getting us to bail them out when they screw up.

A cap and trade would have prevented the housing bubble: forests are CO2 captors and suburbs, CO2 emitters.

 

[Walter]

For Immediate ReleaseDecember 3, 2009Contact: Tom Kise(916) 425-1314 or tkise@blackrockgrp.comLos Angeles, CA — Today, Roger L. Simon and Lionel Chetwynd, both members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and Oscar nominees, called on the Academy to rescind Al Gore’s Oscar in light of the Climategate revelations.Simon, also the CEO of Pajamas Media and PJTV, said the following during his and Chetwynd’s co-hosted Poliwood program on PJTV:I personally call for the Academy to rescind this Oscar.[In] the history of the Academy … not to my knowledge has an Oscar ever been rescinded … I think they should rescind this one.Climategate began on November 19th, when a whistleblower released a series of documents from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit. These documents exposed a coordinated effort among climate scientists to distort the facts regarding man-made “Global Warming.”