Is Jesus A Prophet According To The Old Testament?

eanassir

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I follow evidence and seek wisdom.
I don't have a religion. I am agnostic. If there are gods, they don't care what goes on here. I think if there are gods, there is definitely more than one. If there is only one left and it is all=powerful, then it is a vicious, immoral tyrant.

So speak clearly: are you atheist or polytheist? or combined idolater+atheist or what?
 

AnnaG

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So speak clearly: are you atheist or polytheist? or combined idolater+atheist or what?
I can't say it any more clearly. As I said, I am agnostic. Google it if you don't understand what it means.
I don't think that gods give a damn about anything even if they do exist. So to me they are irrelevant.
 

eanassir

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Ah, the Taliban opinion: Islam was once a great power but Allah has turned his face away from us because we're not following his rules, all we have to do is return to the old ways and he will smile upon us again and all will be put right, he will destroy our enemies and exalt us over all people. Fundamentalist Judaism and Christianity make the same claims, the Old Testament prophets made the same claims, and they're all wrong. Europe defeated the Islamic invasion at the gates of Vienna centuries ago, and Allah had nothing to do with it. He wasn't there then, and he's not here now, he's a human invention. Try reading something other than the Quran, you might get some perspective.


Ah … so who said about Taliban and Vienna? Although there is a song in Arabic about "the nights of love in Vienna" :lol:

Concerning what you said about Allah or God: He was and is there, but their fighting was not in the name of God; in addition there were the ethnic and secular motives and to expand the kingdom. The other party was the same also.

Moreover, they started to walk in the paths of the past nations of Jews and Christians concerning the enthusiasm and sanctifying the graves and shrines of saints and imams: their patrons.
 

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If you could stop jerking and see that Mohammed is the servant of God, which is his title; and the black stone is only part of the building of the Ancient House of God at Mecca; and that anyone who asks his needs from this stone, then he has slipped away from God's religion.

A real Muslim asks for faith not for someone to see.
 

eanassir

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I can't say it any more clearly. As I said, I am agnostic. Google it if you don't understand what it means.
I don't think that gods give a damn about anything even if they do exist. So to me they are irrelevant.


So is this your wisdom? because in the previous reply you said that you seek after the wisdom.
And is this "mother nature" in your avatar: she pours the water of wisdom ? :idea:
 

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The postmodern image of Jesus is that he was married and had children. Searching for his descendants is a way to avoid the traumatic nature of Jesus' interpellations.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Everywhere. Books, magazines, newsletters, pamphlets (some of which show up in my mailbox a few times a year), pulpits... I can't count the number of times I've been told by fundamentalists of several stripes that if only we'd return to the old ways god would smile upon us once again and all would be well. Surely you must have heard, for instance, of how Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell blamed the infamous 911 attacks on an angry deity deeply displeased with America's moral turpitude. What do you think that was, if not an argument to return to that Old Time Religion? Religious fundamentalists of all stripes are prone to blame current problems on the deity's turning away from us because we're not following his rules. And they, of course, are the only ones who truly know what the rules are, so they think they get to tell the rest of us how to behave.
 

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So is this your wisdom? because in the previous reply you said that you seek after the wisdom.
It is my wisdom. If others find the same wisdom, that's fine. If not, I don't care. I don't find worshiping gods who apparently don't give a damn to be particularly wise. I have better things to do than waste my time and energy on that sort of activity.
And is this "mother nature" in your avatar: she pours the water of wisdom ? :idea:
No. It is Nookomis - mother nurture.
 

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in answe to the question originally posed.....if you're a Christian, yes he is. If you're a Jew, no he isn't, and if you're neither, what the hell do you care.
 

Dexter Sinister

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in answe to the question originally posed.....if you're a Christian, yes he is. If you're a Jew, no he isn't, and if you're neither, what the hell do you care.
A cogent and sensible response, on one level, but it's not that simple. A lot of people who think he is, and a lot of people who think he isn't but think somebody else is (Mohammed, for instance), also think they have some kind of lock on the truth and are entitled to force it on others. That's why, as neither a Christian nor a Jew nor a Muslim, I care. It matters.
 

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A cogent and sensible response, on one level, but it's not that simple. A lot of people who think he is, and a lot of people who think he isn't but think somebody else is (Mohammed, for instance), also think they have some kind of lock on the truth and are entitled to force it on others. That's why, as neither a Christian nor a Jew nor a Muslim, I care. It matters.
You bet it matters. Given free reign, most religious fanatics would have us back in the dark ages and the inquisition in a heart beat.
 

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Are you feeling depressed?
Is the world out to get you?
What you need is religion!
Jump on the band wagon!
Kill a commy for Jezuz!
You will feel much better.

During thee Vietnam War a popular hymn was

"Let us wage a war on sin;
Let us kill that Ho Chi Minh!
Let us bomb the Vietcong!
O let us sing our Saviour's song!"
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