HydroQuebec/NBPower/Danny Williams chess game: Check!

AnnaG

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Yes, getting out from under that massive debt will be good for New Brunswick. But there goes the provinces ability to produce power and have a reliable means of transmitting that power. Same goes for the other provinces in the area. The NB people will pay dearly for this deal when the 5 years are up.

My understanding is Williams is in negotiations with Quebec to use their transmission lines. We know the deal will never come to pass. So what alternative does Williams have? It may sound hair-brained but certainly not impossible.
Can't they do what Portugal did.
 

mt_pockets1000

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You mean wave power Anna? 750 kilowatts of power from a wave power generator. The Lower Churchill has the capacity of generating 3000 megawatts of power, equivalent to 4000 (if I did my math right) of the wave power units.

I like what the Pelamis people are doing though. But even if we generated wave power on the east coast how do we transmit that power to market? Especially with Quebec holding the reins over the transmission lines? This is a power grab in the pure sense of the word.
 

Tonington

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In the Bay of Fundy region, it's more likely to be a tidal generator, not wave generators. NS has plans for more, we already have one tidal station, a very old one (18MW). New tidal generators resemble underwater wind turbines. A prototype in Ireland is producing 1.2 MW. Considering the size of the Bay of Fundy, that is a lot of potential power generation. The best tides in the world are in the Bay of Fundy.
 

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Graham campaigned on a promise not to sell NB Power and promptly reneged on that promise. Sell out.

I don't think he actually campainged on that promise. He did say in the legislature, when he was leader of the opposition, that under a Graham government, NBPower would not be sold, but I don't recall it being part of the election campaign. Could be wrong, though.
 

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Don't let your hate for Danny cloud your eyes so that you miss the bigger picture. Williams stands up for his province. Premier Graham on the other hand just sold NB down the river.

Don't let your own hate for Quebecers clouds your eyes of the fact that Williams' hateful style is not a way to stand up for his province.
 

mt_pockets1000

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Don't let your own hate for Quebecers clouds your eyes of the fact that Williams' hateful style is not a way to stand up for his province.
Not to detract too far from the topic of this thread, I'll just say Danny Williams is the best thing to happen to NL since it's inception into Canada. He's a fighter who don't mind shaking up the establishment. That might come across as hateful to you. That's your opinion and you're well within your rights to form that opinion. Unfortunately, you're wrong once again.

As for me hating Quebec, nothing could be farther from the truth. It's a beautiful province. I especially enjoy Montreal with it's annual Jazz Festival, unique shops and crazy drivers. While living in Ottawa I would cross over to the Gatineau's at every opportunity.

You just have to wary when negotiating a deal with the government of Quebec.
 

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Not to detract too far from the topic of this thread, I'll just say Danny Williams is the best thing to happen to NL since it's inception into Canada. He's a fighter who don't mind shaking up the establishment. That might come across as hateful to you. That's your opinion and you're well within your rights to form that opinion. Unfortunately, you're wrong once again.

As for me hating Quebec, nothing could be farther from the truth. It's a beautiful province. I especially enjoy Montreal with it's annual Jazz Festival, unique shops and crazy drivers. While living in Ottawa I would cross over to the Gatineau's at every opportunity.

You just have to wary when negotiating a deal with the government of Quebec.

Brian Tobin was a much better leader all around than Williams if only because he knew that fighting outsiders like the Spanish fishing boats was more productive than infightings where one is calling Quebecers crazy like you do here.
 

mt_pockets1000

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Brian Tobin was a much better leader all around than Williams if only because he knew that fighting outsiders like the Spanish fishing boats was more productive than infightings where one is calling Quebecers crazy like you do here.
Crazy in a nice way though. Do you see the difference? It's no secret Quebec drivers are 'unique'. Just take a drive down Highway 40 sometime.

Gotta agree Tobin did us proud. I was on the dock in St. John's when the Spanish trawler 'Estey' came into port under the watchful eye of the Canadian Coastguard. It finally felt like we were getting things done. But Tobin didn't have the killer instinct like Williams. That's where he fell short.

So whatsamatta Big? Why does the province need $16B in transfer payments if you can afford such a huge acquistion as NB Power? How about some answers here instead of your usual nitpicking.
 

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So whatsamatta Big? Why does the province need $16B in transfer payments if you can afford such a huge acquistion as NB Power? How about some answers here instead of your usual nitpicking.

Transfer payments are the best way to stop Easterners from rushing to ruin Western Canada.
 

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More trolling. Don't have an answer do you? Why am I not surprised...

You don't seem to understand: Quebec doen't need these billions obviously, what Quebec, along with the rest of the planet, needs is that Alberta and people like you don't keep these billions.
 
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mt_pockets1000

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You don't seem to understand: Quebec doen't need these billions obviously, what Quebec, along with the rest of the planet, needs is that Alberta and people like you don't keep these billions.

People like me....with billions!?! Excuse me. I just pulled something from laughing so hard.

Actually, you just exposed Quebec and it's real objective. Now that you've laid the cards on the table we should all be raising our suspicion level up a notch. Thank you for that.

Sounds like you want something that others worked hard to gain. So, you're welfare cheque is not doing it for you? You need more?
 

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People like me....with billions!?! Excuse me. I just pulled something from laughing so hard.

Actually, you just exposed Quebec and it's real objective. Now that you've laid the cards on the table we should all be raising our suspicion level up a notch. Thank you for that.

Sounds like you want something that others worked hard to gain. So, you're welfare cheque is not doing it for you? You need more?

Quebec's selfishness is only the revealing mirror image of your own (poorly disguised) selfishness.
 

mt_pockets1000

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Quebec's selfishness is only the revealing mirror image of your own (poorly disguised) selfishness.

That's capitalism baby. Eat or be eaten.

Otherwise you must live a life of destitution and pound out trolling comments on a computer in your momma's basement. How's that working for you anyway?
 

mt_pockets1000

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Capitalists don't work.

But being a sponge on Canada does work apparently. Just ask your Quebec government.

"Newfoundland and Labrador: Supporting Quebec with ludicrous amounts of money from Churchill Falls since the 1960's"

We have much to fear from this deal with New Brunswick. Giving Quebec so much control over the energy sector in Atlantic Canada can only work to destroy that area of my country, an area that is already under financial stress from years of neglect.
 

mt_pockets1000

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Nothing can be worst than being the dirty sponge that is extracting oil from sand.

As dirty as the oilsands might be, the difference is Alberta works hard to extract the oil from the sands and is compensated nicely for it. Economics 101: Supply and Demand. Quebec on the other hand just sits back and lets the money roll in from transfer payments paid handsomely by Alberta and other "have" provinces, all the while pulling down gross amounts of money from their hydro-electric facilities. If Quebec can afford to purchase NB Power with our tax money then I say we cut you back next time so you fall in line with the requirements and lets keep Alberta's money where it belongs...in their coffers.
 

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As dirty as the oilsands might be, the difference is Alberta works hard to extract the oil from the sands and is compensated nicely for it. Economics 101: Supply and Demand. Quebec on the other hand just sits back and lets the money roll in from transfer payments paid handsomely by Alberta and other "have" provinces, all the while pulling down gross amounts of money from their hydro-electric facilities. If Quebec can afford to purchase NB Power with our tax money then I say we cut you back next time so you fall in line with the requirements and lets keep Alberta's money where it belongs...in their coffers.

"Hard work" is an excuse for polluting; consider you lucky not to be stopped.
 

mt_pockets1000

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But if we stop where will Quebec get the extra funding it needs to screw the country over once again? It's a tough dilemma Big and one I'm sure your superior mind will have trouble grappling over.