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Noname11

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Nice fable , but what i would need ( if possible ) is like the 3 or 4 most important persons of the democratic and 4 of the republican party, and a neutral view on them would be great too (although the fable was neutral and i did get it but facts would be good)
 

ironsides

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ironsides: are you saying grasshoppers are communist? Or capitalist? Because the ant sounds like the majority of Liberal minded people,you know Hard working, providing for their family.
The grasshopper OTH is looking for a freebee which describes both extremes of the political spectrum.



In today's world, it seems that it is the left wing (grasshopper) who are demanding equality with those who have earned what they now own. Now the left even want to tax those who happen to have what are called Cadillac health policies. Why should anyone be able to tax someone else's health plan in order that they may have one also. (They want a health plan, pay for it themselves). I do see any outcry from the right (ant) about this, issue, only from the left.
 

Noname11

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mh i was surfing on the GOP and Democtratic homepages and the GOP mentioned "health care" concerning their aims, but i thought they were against health care reforms or at least it wasnt one of their main issues ?!? or am i totally misunderstanding something?
 

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mh i was surfing on the GOP and Democtratic homepages and the GOP mentioned "health care" concerning their aims, but i thought they were against health care reforms or at least it wasnt one of their main issues ?!? or am i totally misunderstanding something?


Quite so, Noname, Republicans are in the pocket of insurance companies, they are not interested in any health care reform.

Opinion polls indicate that Americans want some kind of health care reform, so of course as politicians, Republicans will say that they support the health care reform (but naturally not the ones Democrats are proposing).

However, Republicans controlled Senate and House for 12 years. Out of that; they controlled Senate, House and the presidency for six years. If they wanted to pass health care reform, they easily could have done it.

However, in those 12 years, not a word from them about health care reform, they were too busy cutting taxes, racking up huge deficits and in general ruining the economy. So when they talk of health care reform, it is purely a political ploy, nothing more. Republicans support health care reform like Dracula would support getting rid of the blood banks.
 
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SirJosephPorter

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ok sry for pushing the thread up again, but i´d have some more questions if its ok

I really did get the whole general sense of why they exist and what functions they have but whom should i know?

I mean, obviously Barack Obama , Joe Biden as Vice president but is Hillary Clinton still playing an important part in the democratic politics? And what about Nancy Pelosi , i heard of her being a very powerful woman with an important role but what exactly does she do as a speaker ? ( i hope the questions are not too dumb but maybe you can give me easy explanations for someone who doesnt know very much about politics : / google doesnt )

Thanks a lot!

Hillary is in Obama’s cabinet; she is the Secretary of State and as such is in charge of foreign affairs, foreign policy. That is why you see her traveling all over the world.

As Speaker of the House, Pelosi has considerable amount of power in the House. She sets the time table for the House; she decides which bills will come before the house, when they will be debated how long etc. If she dislikes a particular bill, she can simply refuse to let it come before the House. No bill is passed without Pelosi’s blessings.

Also, she is third in line to become the President, after Obama and Biden.
 
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Noname11

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wow, ok i didnt know that!

But what about the Republicans? I mean, what names should i know ? The only one I know is Michael Steel, which is really confusing considering he´s an african american , but are there any "important" names i should know in the republican party?

Thanks a lot !
 

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Hillary is in Obama’s cabinet; she is the Secretary of State and as such is in charge of foreign affairs, foreign policy. That is why you see her traveling all over the world.

As Speaker of the House, Pelosi has considerable amount of power in the House. She sets the time table for the House; she decides which bills will come before the house, when they will be debated how long etc. If she dislikes a particular bill, she can simply refuse to pet it come before the House. No bill is passed without Pelosi’s blessings.

Also, she is third in line to become the President, after Obama and Biden.

Almost....he almost got it right....so close.

The Speaker can not prevent a bill from coming before the House....he or she simply controls the scheduling of Debate......Bills can be killed without coming to a vote in Committee, but if they are handed up from Committee to the House.....they go before the House.

The last part is therefore BS, as there is very little party discipline in US politics (compared to Canadian politics) and Bills are often passed without the approval of Party big-wigs or the Speaker.....
 

Colpy

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they were too busy cutting taxes, racking up huge deficits and in general ruining the economy. So when they talk of health care reform, it is purely a political ploy, nothing more. Republicans support health care reform like Dracula would support getting rid of the blood banks.

Don't let this idiot fool you.....yes, the Republican administration was guilty of running massive, ridiculous deficit.....however, the collapse of the economy is due largely to de-regulation of the economic system under President Clinton.....a Democrat.....and an attempt to reign in the worst excesses spear-headed by Republican John McCain was shot down.....by the Democrats......

There is lots of blame to go around on this file. Nobody gets off easy.....
 

SirJosephPorter

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wow, ok i didnt know that!

But what about the Republicans? I mean, what names should i know ? The only one I know is Michael Steel, which is really confusing considering he´s an african american , but are there any "important" names i should know in the republican party?

Thanks a lot !


Since Republicans do not control House or the Senate, they really don’t have all that much power. They do have some power in the Senate, in that they can filibuster a bill, continue to debate it indefinitely (and in effect kill it) if they have more than 40 votes. But since they have only 40 Senators, even that is difficult for them (which will change in the next election, they are sure to pick up at least a few seats in the Senate).

The Republican leader in the House is John Boehner and in the Senate it is Mitch McConnell. But as I said before, they don’t have all that much power these days. If and when Republicans get back the control of the House and the Senate, these will be powerful personalities (as the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority leader), but not at present.

Currently the real opinion shapers in the Republican Party are the talk radio hosts. Indeed, many consider Rush Limbaugh to be the de facto leader, the real leader of Republican Party; he wields much more power than Michael Steele, the nominal leader. A few months ago, Steele said something negative about Rush Limbaugh. There was so much outcry from the Republicans that he had to apologize to Limbaugh.

So if you want the real movers, shakers, people of influence in the Republican Party, is it talk radio hosts such as Limbaugh, Hannity, Bill Bennett etc.
 

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The goals are the same: fleece the people. The difference is in how they con the cash from those people.

Extremists? Their posts are all over the site - just like doggie piddle and graffiti.
 

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Since Republicans do not control House or the Senate, they really don’t have all that much power. They do have some power in the Senate, in that they can filibuster a bill, continue to debate it indefinitely (and in effect kill it) if they have more than 40 votes. But since they have only 40 Senators, even that is difficult for them (which will change in the next election, they are sure to pick up at least a few seats in the Senate).

The Republican leader in the House is John Boehner and in the Senate it is Mitch McConnell. But as I said before, they don’t have all that much power these days. If and when Republicans get back the control of the House and the Senate, these will be powerful personalities (as the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority leader), but not at present.

Anyone sensible realizes SJP is a complete moron, usually incorrect in some statement of fact, and completely incapable of offering anything close to a non-partisan opinion.

Please ignore the last two paragraphs of his post, which I have omitted above.
 

ironsides

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No strong Republican Leader has yet emerged from the disastrous defeat they did received in the 2008 elections. Those Republicans/Conservatives mentioned as being on talk radio are just performers, nothing more. Conservative talk radio is just more interesting than any Democratic or Liberal radio station has ever been. Most of them have gone out of business.

Republican Leaders

Republican Leader John Boehner | republicanleader.house.gov
 

Noname11

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hm ok thank you very much,

another question :

Which presidents were/are the most important ones? ( Republican / Democrats )

thanks for your time!
 

Noname11

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@ironsides ok, but i´m sure that if you think about democrats / republicans there are some presidents you remember immediately ..
 

Noname11

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and ( sorry for this maybe stupid question ) but what makes John Boehner that important as the House Minority Leader, Micheal Steel is above him, isnt he? and the secretary Sharon Day also or not?
 

Colpy

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Why Ronnie Raygun? Other than being a national disaster?
You forgot Kennedy.

I did not forget Kennedy....Kennedy actually achieved very little......I have never understood the Kennedy fetish so prevalent after his assasination.

Ronnie Reagan achieved a number of things..........a rebirth of American self-confidence after Vietnam, a treaty that saw the first reduction in the number of nuclear missiles, and he was primarily responsible for the fall of the Soviet Union.

Much to my own surprize.....history will judge Reagan as one of the greatest 20th century Presidents....... strange.