Canada touted as leader in immigration policy

[dumpthemonarchy]

The vast majority of immigrants to Canada are family class, which means many are uneducated. Only about 15% of immigrants make it in on points, being educated and skilled.

Immigration is good for the country, but 300,000 per year is too many, 100,000 is far better. Plus, we never got a chance to vote in the mid 1980s for this sharp immigration increase, our elites decided for us. I never voted to make Vancouver an Asian suburb.

 

[Niflmir]

Right. It just admits gangs, con artists and other foreign criminals.

Yes, it does admit people with skills that are needed here, but as you previously gave an example of, it doesn't use those skilled people (physicians). So what's the point of inviting good people here if you won't let them work at what they are trained as? The CIC is a joke.

It is actually a known problem world wide that first generation immigrants (the actual immigrants) have trouble integrating. There are many reasons for this, and nobody has found a solution, although people have certainly found ways that definitely do not work.

However, those people's children, the second generation immigrants generally do even better than native born children in any social, educational or economic indicator you can dream up.

As for the crime assertion. Prove it. I don't see it. Sure some immigrants are criminals: they are human, and there is a knee jerk reaction to accepting somebody into the country only for that to happen, but the evidence is lacking to suggest that they are more criminally inclined than the native born. You could very well be right, but I don't know about any evidence, and clearly the original people who made the report didn't either.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

The vast majority of immigrants to Canada are family class, which means many are uneducated. Only about 15% of immigrants make it in on points, being educated and skilled.

That doesn’t necessarily follow, many times the spouse may be as educated (or even more so) than the principle applicant. Indeed, we know many two career immigrant families (he is a Neurologist, she is an Internist, he is an engineer, she is a Family Physician etc.).

It is necessary for only one person to make it on points. There is no reason for the spouse to apply on points; it is much easier to qualify as a dependent. But if you take the case of an engineer married to a Family Physician, they probably came to Canada because husband got in as an engineer, but now his wife (Family Physician) probably earns much more than him.

So don’t go by that 15% figure, we don’t know how many of the dependents are also well qualified.

 

[YukonJack]

"It is actually a known problem world wide that first generation immigrants (the actual immigrants) have trouble integrating."

Well, as a first generation immigrant I must be an exception to this so-called "known problem".

I arrived in Canada in 1957 as a seventeen year old young man. Since then I graduated (as an adult student) from a Canadian high school, became a computer programmer, and although I am retired now, the interactive applicatioons I wrote are still being used by the company I worked for for almost 38 years.

I married a Canadian girl. My children know about their paternal heritage, alas, they can not speak their father's language. In fact, the father (me) has problem from time to time, as well. I speak English with my friends from the old country. When I visited my relatives in the old country two years ago, it took me a week to feel comfortable to speak my mother tongue again.

My son isn't married, but my daughter married young French Canadian and my grand kids will speak at least two languages.

Except for my slight accent, you would never know - based on my life style - that I am a first generation immigrant.

Trouble integrating? Only those who don't want to. Only those who are too stupid to.

 

[AnnaG]

Getting the planet wide government that people could actually trust for millenia would be a real tough obsticle in our search for global unity,in fact its probably our species achilles heel.

As for Taxslave's comment about free health care "news flash"=it aint free,i'm paying a hefty chunk of my paycheck every week to support our Canadian health care system, and i dont mind one bit.

Not as hard if we got rid of organized religion.

 

[taxslave]

Getting the planet wide government that people could actually trust for millenia would be a real tough obsticle in our search for global unity,in fact its probably our species achilles heel.

As for Taxslave's comment about free health care "news flash"=it aint free,i'm paying a hefty chunk of my paycheck every week to support our Canadian health care system, and i dont mind one bit.

The post was sort of tongue in cheek. But the socialists think it is free as well as their right.
It is free if you are a refugee. Or even if you are in a low income bracket. For the rest of us it is very expensive for what we get. In B.C. we now pay over $100/mo. for medical which does not cover any of the things I require like medicals for various licenses. These I must pay extra for.

 

[Goober]

The post was sort of tongue in cheek. But the socialists think it is free as well as their right.
It is free if you are a refugee. Or even if you are in a low income bracket. For the rest of us it is very expensive for what we get. In B.C. we now pay over $100/mo. for medical which does not cover any of the things I require like medicals for various licenses. These I must pay extra for.

Why is it that a convicted Palestinian Terrorist is still able to further his claim after 20 years - the system is fucxed -

 

[AnnaG]

It is actually a known problem world wide that first generation immigrants (the actual immigrants) have trouble integrating. There are many reasons for this, and nobody has found a solution, although people have certainly found ways that definitely do not work.

Canning half the bureaucratic stupidity in the issue would help.

However, those people's children, the second generation immigrants generally do even better than native born children in any social, educational or economic indicator you can dream up.

Probably because they want to do better than their parents did and learn the local environments more thoroughly.

As for the crime assertion. Prove it. I don't see it. Sure some immigrants are criminals: they are human, and there is a knee jerk reaction to accepting somebody into the country only for that to happen, but the evidence is lacking to suggest that they are more criminally inclined than the native born. You could very well be right, but I don't know about any evidence, and clearly the original people who made the report didn't either.

Prove what? I didn't say they were more criminally prone than natives, YOU said I said that. What I did say was the CIC seems to be virtually useless in getting rid of the worst of the bunch. They are lazy, going after the Lennikovs (for example) rather than the Trans and Lai Changxings. There's been people like the 5th Estate and W5 doing articles on this.

 

[taxslave]

It is actually a known problem world wide that first generation immigrants (the actual immigrants) have trouble integrating. There are many reasons for this, and nobody has found a solution, although people have certainly found ways that definitely do not work.

However, those people's children, the second generation immigrants generally do even better than native born children in any social, educational or economic indicator you can dream up.

As for the crime assertion. Prove it. I don't see it. Sure some immigrants are criminals: they are human, and there is a knee jerk reaction to accepting somebody into the country only for that to happen, but the evidence is lacking to suggest that they are more criminally inclined than the native born. You could very well be right, but I don't know about any evidence, and clearly the original people who made the report didn't either.

Have you not read any news from Vancouver in the past few years? There is almost one asian gang related gunfight a week. The criminals are not only quicker to take advantage of our weak immigration policy they have the money to manipulate it.

 

[Spade]

I also think there's only one race of humans - homosapiens.

Of course! Race is a social/cultural construct; it is not biological.
The Human Family Tree Main Page- National Geographic Channel

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

That doesn’t necessarily follow, many times the spouse may be as educated (or even more so) than the principle applicant. Indeed, we know many two career immigrant families (he is a Neurologist, she is an Internist, he is an engineer, she is a Family Physician etc.).

It is necessary for only one person to make it on points. There is no reason for the spouse to apply on points; it is much easier to qualify as a dependent. But if you take the case of an engineer married to a Family Physician, they probably came to Canada because husband got in as an engineer, but now his wife (Family Physician) probably earns much more than him.

So don’t go by that 15% figure, we don’t know how many of the dependents are also well qualified.

The 15% figure I read in an article in The Globe and Mail newspaper. Canada has traditional chain migration, just like when European immigrants came in the 19th and 20th centuries. Relatives and friends from your village/town come over here. That's just a historic fact.

Are you telling me most immigrants from India and China are educated? Give me a break. They're not. Such an influx of labour, 300,000 per year, helps keep wages down for capital.