Obama betrays Poland and every American

lone wolf

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Well of course, because poor people just need to get off their butts and go to work, and all of their problems will be solved, whereas Europe is far too fragile to survive on its own.

The poor who can't afford medical care are the working poor. They without work income qualify for medicare....

Blow that "welfare bum" bluster all to Hell
 

YukonJack

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lone wolf, I confess, you got me on a comma, or two, like your soul-mate, SirJosephPorter, in another thread.

But, of course, you knew what I meant. Just would have taken a bit less malice.

Here is my quote with commas in the right place:

"Obama only follows American historical example of stabbing nations, with no oil, in the back:"

Any clearer, nitpicker???
 

YukonJack

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lone wolf, I minded my own business, and the comments I made here, had NOTHING to do with you.

If anyone displayed unprovoked belligerence, it was you.
 

ironsides

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I never thought one way or another about that missiles shield. Now I do think Obama made a big mistake dropping it so fast, it wasn't the shield that was so important, it was that someone, some country was doing something for Poland. They have been kick around by their so called friends as well as their enemies, they deserve a secure peace.
 

DurkaDurka

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I never thought one way or another about that missiles shield. Now I do think Obama made a big mistake dropping it so fast, it wasn't the shield that was so important, it was that someone, some country was doing something for Poland. They have been kick around by their so called friends as well as their enemies, they deserve a secure peace.

How exactly would this shield secure peace for Poland?
 

ironsides

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Just knowing that hey have someone they can count on if and when Russia decides to take them on again. The missile's by themselves are nothing, just a token.
 

DurkaDurka

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Just knowing that hey have someone they can count on if and when Russia decides to take them on again. The missile's by themselves are nothing, just a token.

I was under the impression that the shield was to protect European- NATO countries from Iranian missle attacks. The shield wouldn't do squat to Russian tanks rolling across the border.
 

Tonington

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Is Poland competing with France now? Not sure what their cheese is like, but they have the whine now.

The missile defense shield is expensive, and unproven. There are bona fide reasons to be pragmatic about where and how the money for this kind of thing will be spent.

Obama hasn't even ruled out missiles in Poland. The plan is for ship bourne systems first. See article:
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ironsides

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I was under the impression that the shield was to protect European- NATO countries from Iranian missle attacks. The shield wouldn't do squat to Russian tanks rolling across the border.


Somehow Russia was worried, they were going to put up some of their anti missile missiles. What we were going to install were only relatively short range missiles anyway. They were not meant to stop a Russian anything. Some of those countries just liked the idea of having them. Most of Europe belongs to Russia anytime they want them.
 

mabudon

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One of the original complaints about the "missile shield" was that intercepted missiles would most likely have to explode over the countries that housed the interceptors- indeed they were not meant to protect Poland or the Czech republic from ANYTHING, neither Russia NOR Iran.

The Russians had every right to complain about the presence of US missiles on their border, especially given that the specifics of such a system would not have been freely shared- being suspicious of the US' motives abroad is hardly unreasonable nowadays
 

einmensch

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Here is a quote from China's post:> The 17th of September was the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland. A Nazi-Soviet Pact was signed in Moscow on August the 28th, and all resistance was futile as both powers combined forces. Poland lost their Sovereignty, and as the years passed freedom became a distant memory.

Yet at the Nuremberg Trial Kaltbrunner was found guilty of Aggression against Poland and the Russian General was one of there judges.

Yes--the USA let Russia do what it wanted with Poland and all the rest---Poland saw an opportunity and bum kissed. USA troops on Polish soil would be a benefit.
 

ironsides

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One of the original complaints about the "missile shield" was that intercepted missiles would most likely have to explode over the countries that housed the interceptors- indeed they were not meant to protect Poland or the Czech republic from ANYTHING, neither Russia NOR Iran.

The Russians had every right to complain about the presence of US missiles on their border, especially given that the specifics of such a system would not have been freely shared- being suspicious of the US' motives abroad is hardly unreasonable nowadays

Yes Russia did.
Missiles exploding over head, much better than impacting intended targets.
 

mabudon

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If someone was justifiably mad at a neighbor a few doors down and decided to attack their house, I'd much rather the intended target get hit than have things blow up over my house despite my having nothing to do with whatever conflict was happening.

Ship-based interceptors seem like a much more sensible solution for a slew of reasons. Somehow I am reminded of the "cuban missile crisis" by the whole missile-defence business- "good" countries can out whatever they want wherever without so much as a reasonable explanation, "bad" countries are ALWAYS up to no good and should not be allowed to do anything without the express approval of the "good" countries (who we know only do good deeds)

So now Obama is a commie appeaser, very interesting. I truly hope at least some of the people puching this nonsense are just playing along and realize how utterly stupid it looks