Anouncing a new web site: The Science of 9/11

[Kakato]

So, all the above just to say you don't know how much fuel that fireball contained.
Or did answering a question not occur to you?

You cant even decide if it burnt in seconds or 5 minutes.

I do know the answer,a jet hit the building.
Your also useing the deaths of all the innocent people involved to push an agenda,be it anti government or maybe it's the Jewish conspiracy.


pretty sad actually,i dont have much respect for foilers because of that.

 

[MHz]

You cant even decide if it burnt in seconds or 5 minutes.

I do know the answer,a jet hit the building.
Your also useing the deaths of all the innocent people involved to push an agenda,be it anti government or maybe it's the Jewish conspiracy.

I already posted the answer to how long a flash-fire lasts'

LOL I guess your scientific answer solves the answer.

Keeping the Gov honest is not an anti-gov thing to do. That is why there used to be groups called Government Watchdogs.

Are you saying the IAF crashed the planes, wow? Do you always drag the poor Jews into everything? That the got early warnings was probably just a 'drill' tied into the war-games going on that day that simulated an attack on those two towers.

 

[L Gilbert]

Look at the 2nd crash. A lot of fuel burned up outside the building, it was moving and it was totally consumed in less than 10 seconds. That is all the proof you shopuld need, but for whatever reason it won't be.
In a building like the towers all the interier wall are non-load bearing ones. On any floor they could all be removed and it would be just as strong. Since the fuel did make it's exit across the building it is also apparent that the walls were flattened.

You sure don't know much about burning fuels nor do you know much about construction. Video clips can be altered so their believability is minimal.

No I quit threads when it comes down to this sort of post, here is a great chance to punch a hole in one of my arguments (there is more than one). Show me the data that compares the stress on either tower that compared the planes force at impact compared to 140mph winds. It doesn't get any simpler than that.
Go buy some scrap-iron I-beam and sink one end into the ground and attach a cable to the top (12" x 20' should do the trick) Now put a big poop of fuel at the base and light it, time how long it takes before the I-beam falls over by itself. After 24 hrs of fire pull on the cable with a D8 and measure the torque on the cable to the point the I-beam bends. Now do the same to a beam that has had no fire. The difference will be what heat caused.

24 hours? D-8? This is a joke right? Put a load on top of the I-Beam and tug on the beam with a D-4 within 15 minutes and you may have something closer to what actually happened in the towers.

Now build a model that has those same size I-beams in number the same as the tower had and weld plates between them all every 10 ft in height. In this case it would be a 0', 10', and 20'. Now repeat your experiment with fire except this time you would need several D8's and the structure would still be standing.

roflmao You dream a lot while you're awake, huh?

 

[MHz]

You sure don't know much about burning fuels nor do you know much about construction. Video clips can be altered so their believability is minimal.


24 hours? D-8? This is a joke right? Put a load on top of the I-Beam and tug on the beam with a D-4 within a couple hours and you may have something closer to what actually happened in the towers.

roflmao You dream a lot while you're awake, huh?

So another one chimes in with all WTC videos are fake.

Add the weight to this structure depicted in the drawings on this site.. 42 support columns, each tied to the next, then add in the strength added via all the concrete.
WTC Modeling and Simulation: Structural Data for WTC 1, 2

I dream considerably less than you hear not and see not.

 

[Kakato]

I already posted the answer to how long a flash-fire lasts'

LOL I guess your scientific answer solves the answer.

Keeping the Gov honest is not an anti-gov thing to do. That is why there used to be groups called Government Watchdogs.

Are you saying the IAF crashed the planes, wow? Do you always drag the poor Jews into everything? That the got early warnings was probably just a 'drill' tied into the war-games going on that day that simulated an attack on those two towers.

This is the age of information,no one can pull off anything without someone knowing about it,especially the government.

And if you look back at some of your links it's not me dragging the Jews into it.:roll:

Me and most of the other sane people know it was a jet that hit the tower,we saw it with our own eyes.
You on the other hand think anyone who doesnt believe you or the 9/11 cult are sheeple,how ironic is that?

Its very clear to anyone who has participated in foiler threads that they are useing the death of innocent civilians to promote their hate.
Like buzzards.:-|

 

[Kakato]

You sure don't know much about burning fuels nor do you know much about construction. Video clips can be altered so their believability is minimal.


24 hours? D-8? This is a joke right? Put a load on top of the I-Beam and tug on the beam with a D-4 within 15 minutes and you may have something closer to what actually happened in the towers.

roflmao You dream a lot while you're awake, huh?

I wonder if he means a d4,d4h,d4n,d4r.
And is it a high track LGP or an old flat track?
All important things to know if were going to be bringing dozers into the equation.:roll:

I allready proved videos can be altered like i did on youtube,even the foilers were posting my altered vid and claiming it as gospel.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[lone wolf]

Why do you want to pull an I-beam onto your head anyhow?

 

[L Gilbert]

So another one chimes in with all WTC videos are fake.

As was mentioned earlier, all one needs to do is speed up or slow down a vidclip and stick it on the net, which is easy to do, and you've thrown its believability out the window. I guess that's too big a concept for you to grasp.

Add the weight to this structure depicted in the drawings on this site.. 42 support columns, each tied to the next, then add in the strength added via all the concrete.
WTC Modeling and Simulation: Structural Data for WTC 1, 2

Now weaken some of those supports with some 450º F or 500º F heat, bend and twist them, add 15 floors of weight bearing down on them ....

I dream considerably less than you hear not and see not.

Come back when you can use English intelligibly.

 

[L Gilbert]

I wonder if he means a d4,d4h,d4n,d4r.
And is it a high track LGP or an old flat track?
All important things to know if were going to be bringing dozers into the equation.:roll:

I allready proved videos can be altered like i did on youtube,even the foilers were posting my altered vid and claiming it as gospel.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

It really doesn't matter whether it was a D-8 or a D-4 or which model of each. A D-8 would likely pull the beam out of the ground anyway. But the twit didn't even come close to the conditions the steel was in during the Sept 11 events. In his "experiment", the steel would have a very similar strength to what it had 24 hours earlier. But that says nothing about the steel in the towers.

 

[L Gilbert]

This was a bit interesting: Firehouse.com's 9-11 Coverage: News 9/9/02 - The Two Towers: A Challenge To Two Professions

 

[MHz]

This is the age of information,no one can pull off anything without someone knowing about it,especially the government.

And if you look back at some of your links it's not me dragging the Jews into it.:roll:

Me and most of the other sane people know it was a jet that hit the tower,we saw it with our own eyes.
You on the other hand think anyone who doesnt believe you or the 9/11 cult are sheeple,how ironic is that?

Its very clear to anyone who has participated in foiler threads that they are useing the death of innocent civilians to promote their hate.
Like buzzards.:-|

That must be the memo Ms. Rice got a few months before the attack.
Which links exactly?
Now you trust video or were you actually there, dancing maybe????

Not ironic at all, that is just what sheeple do, ask no questions about anything..ever. LOL

 

[MHz]

I wonder if he means a d4,d4h,d4n,d4r.
And is it a high track LGP or an old flat track?
All important things to know if were going to be bringing dozers into the equation.:roll:

You didn't enquire about the cork pattern?

 

[MHz]

Now weaken some of those supports with some 450º F or 500º F heat, bend and twist them, add 15 floors of weight bearing down on them ....

Damn so that is why those cake pans that I cook fries in always crumble when I try to retrieve them from the 450 deg oven.
You guys get more pathetic with each post.

 

[L Gilbert]

Damn so that is why those cake pans that I cook fries in always crumble when I try to retrieve them from the 450 deg oven.
You guys get more pathetic with each post.

And yet we are still able to poke holes in your moronic ideas. You use pans made of structural steel for making cakes? :roll:

High-temperature Strength of A36 Steel:

 

[Kakato]

You didn't enquire about the cork pattern?

2-1-2-1 usually works best but maybe they cut the picks off with"gasp" a plasma cutter?

When they made the d9 they downsized the d8,when they made the d 10 the downsized all cats smaller then it,now that there is a D11 all the cats below it have been d,sized.An old straight track D4 is equivalent to a d6m or bigger now adays.

We melted steel with d10n's in the mine I spent a few decades at.
Put them both side by side to push a huge boulder and the wieght of the rock and friction as the blades rubbed side to side literally melted the hardened steel so that it was running on to the ground like welding slag.There was no flames,just the hardest steel available melting like butter as we pushed that rock.

 

[MHz]

This was a bit interesting: Firehouse.com's 9-11 Coverage: News 9/9/02 - The Two Towers: A Challenge To Two Professions

"Failure of the engineering community: Large open floor space. Each floor of the towers possessed an open unobstructed area of roughly 200 by 200 feet."
Except for that 47 column of steel called the core which measured about 125 ft x 85 ft. that was smack in the middle of the building yet it could not be considered an 'obstruction' to an open floor-plan.

 

[L Gilbert]

By the way, the graph shows that weakening starts at about oven temperature. Adding load speeds up distortion of steel. By the time the fires had heated the steel to as hot as it got in the towers your steel is pretzel.

 

[MHz]

2-1-2-1 usually works best but maybe they cut the picks off with"gasp" a plasma cutter?

When they made the d9 they downsized the d8,when they made the d 10 the downsized all cats smaller then it,now that there is a D11 all the cats below it have been d,sized.An old straight track D4 is equivalent to a d6m or bigger now adays.

We melted steel with d10n's in the mine I spent a few decades at.
Put them both side by side to push a huge boulder and the wieght of the rock and friction as the blades rubbed side to side literally melted the hardened steel so that it was running on to the ground like welding slag.There was no flames,just the hardest steel available melting like butter as we pushed that rock.

Why use a rock-pattern meant for ripping when digging in and winching is how you pull on things?

Got a vid..lol...never mind. LOL

 

[L Gilbert]

"Failure of the engineering community: Large open floor space. Each floor of the towers possessed an open unobstructed area of roughly 200 by 200 feet."
Except for that 47 column of steel called the core which measured about 125 ft x 85 ft. that was smack in the middle of the building yet it could not be considered an 'obstruction' to an open floor-plan.

What's it obstructing?

 

[MHz]

What's it obstructing?

Are you serious???

building width 63.14 building depth 63.14 core width 41.8 core depth 26.52 perimeter column count 236 (59 per side) core column count 47 story height 3.6576 perimeter column spacing 1.02 number of long span trusses 60 (30 per side) number of short span trusses 28 (14 per side) truss spacing 2.04 number of transverse trusses 8 transverse truss spacing 4.08
Using just the first 4 dimensions in the above list how do you get a 200ft x 200ft unobstructed floor plan when the core is in the very middle of the 200ft measurements???