that's not even remotely what I asked. I don't support schools dolling out corporal punishment. I'm just asking, if punishment doesn't work, then how do schools justify threatening and punishing with exclusion?
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that's not even remotely what I asked. I don't support schools dolling out corporal punishment. I'm just asking, if punishment doesn't work, then how do schools justify threatening and punishing with exclusion?
You're right. That's wrong. (If that makes sense.)
But to clarify, you said "...they now suspend and even expel students at the primary/elementary school level for bad behaviour."
Like what?
The school called me yesterday because one of my daughters didn't get her homework done. It was the first time in memory that she didn't get it done. She thought she had done all that she was supposed to do but missed a part. You have to wonder about the thinking process that goes into this decision making on the part of the school. Were they trying to scare her or make her think it was a big deal. I told the school not to bother me at work again unless there was a "real" problem and told my kid at supper last night what I said to her school.
a wide variety. one of my son's classmates was suspended in grade two for getting angry and pushing people.
It all depends what you mean by remotely.
Is it punishment or is it removal of a disruption or danger to others?
It all depends what you mean by remotely.
Is it punishment or is it removal of a disruption or danger to others?
Kreskin, whenever you're looking at how you deal with a child, it's dealing with a child. It affects the child, be it a spanking, a grounding, an expulsion. The REASON for the punishment isn't the same as the effect of the punishment. Corporal punishment could just as easily be dressed up as 'to correct a disruption or danger to others'.
Yep. But now they expect that boys won't be boys and push and wrestle on the playground. Because we're all too highly evolved for that, right?
It might affect the child but the child is affecting more children. Somewhere along the line something not good has to give.
My, how quickly we've 'evolved' in a single generation! *insert non-existant 'rhetorical' smilie here*
With second thoughts, the pendulum (like it does) swings to extremes... From "spare the rod..." to "precious snowflakes".
Going back to parental discipline, my life was idyllic. School life, not so much, but I believe I did a better job given the 'tools' my parents gave me.
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A thread on spanking and not a sign of El Barto! I'm worried. Does he need to be resuscitated?
Does spanking in youth cause them to grow up to get their rocks off in later life through spanking? I was just wondering if El Barto had been spanked a lot as a kid.
Does spanking in youth cause them to grow up to get their rocks off in later life through spanking? I was just wondering if El Barto had been spanked a lot as a kid.
He usually turns up in the middle of the night but he has been known to appear at other times. He has that Montreal sense of humour that I grew up with.
And see, this is another area where I don't get how the modern 'punishment' is less mentally damaging than a smack on the arse. Because most people would have that boy tossed from whatever interaction he has with your daughter, so that all he learns is that he's not welcome or wanted, and he loses out on both the activity, AND the social learning that comes along with it.
If your kid has a tendency to spit on other kids, then they aren't ready to socialize under the conditions you have them in. It isn't acceptable to anyone. Swatting in the ass is not coaching them or creating more maturity for them. When they talk it out and explain to you why they are ready to socialize without horking on others then they can do so. Otherwise, what would be the purpose of having them there?
Moving the kid to a different play environment that they are mature enough for or supervised enough for isn't punishment. It is placing them in a situation where they can win, not get swatted. Would you rather have the kid in a situation where they play fair and do well or fail and get swatted? If mine was spitting on kids I'd chat with them about finding an activity for them where they won't be spitting on others. They will likely tell me they won't do it again. That's where I'd explain to them it can't happen again, and before going there would talk about it again. And I'll bet anything they won't do it again.
