Anouncing a new web site: The Science of 9/11

[MHz]

No. I have no idea what a squib is other than a short lampoon. lol

Well I guess were are about done here then. You have no doubts the 1st given version is the carved in stone truth so we do not agree. I think there needs to be more discussion or whatever to make sure some similar event cannot take place. The ways prior to 911 are the same ways used today to 'catch intelligence'. The CIA could fill volumes on case solved only thanks to the CIA, to them it would just be another chapter in a case they engineered from beginning to end.

When buildings crash they don't crash uniformly. There are points in structures that are weaker than others. And they occur everywhere in a building. A stress on a third floor bearing wall may produce a crack in a first floor pony wall sort if thing. Concrete stresses arbitrarily. Steel stresses arbitrarily. So the weakest points show first and the strongest points last. Watcha lab testing concrete sometimes. It looks like the concrete "explodes" sometimes. Glass definitely "explodes".

True enough, I say the central core was the strongest part of both towers, you say the outer-wall was the 'weight bearing component of the towers'. I already gave you the pictures, that is my whole case on that point.
In a previous post I mentioned bomb-sniffing dogs being pulled. I haven't heard anything on that..... is the answer 'so what'?
The memo Rice got a few months before that warned of some 'threats'. When pressed she gave the theme of the memo was terrorists hijack and crash airliners into the WTC. The team that missed the ball all got raises.

If the Gov is innocent they would gladly invite the 'Gov Watchdogs' to explain just WTFH solely in order of prevention. To do it for greed of money is quite different from blindness in things like Patriotism. I'm quite surprised there isn't an off-shoot to WOW that allows clients to feed in 'headlines' that allow control of a board meant for exploit.
In a game of chess the current position comes from a series of moves, moves ahead are mostly thought out quite always along the check-mate path. The peons would call it a plan and the finances to follow through.

I'm not into things that "seem", thanks. I "seem" to get bored with them.

Wat2go anna, now we are 'hijacked' again. The topic...is ...seems. or some derivative of that 'established route'. Our talks will not change anything. What might change things in our life is how the heck do you get e MeGregor 62 to the headwaters on the Peave River. Duh, water in the warm times. skies on the ice in the 'more robust season'. Either way, 6 staterooms off the public areas in the main galley and crew quarters well seperated from the clients. Engine room actually, both of them. 8 people at equal rates of all income from the fish....I mean clients...

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So? Can you answer my question? Did the chips fall straight down or were they squirted in several directions.

Our experiment did not include window strength as a 'cushining factor'. 4' extrapolated via the sidewalk block was null and void due to the factor that our block was more than slightly less strong, even from twice the height.

And you'd have chunks of rebar-enforced concrete as well as chunks of concrete that had separated from rebar flying places. So?

Are you kidding????
WARNING YOU ARE IN DANGER OF BECOMING A TROLL
Freeways held up by pillars of reinforced concrete proved not to be 'quake-proof'. The solution is to encase the concrete pillars in sheet steel. Result 4x as strong.

You tell me. You're the one that said it'd come down at free-fall velocity. As I said, watch tests done on concrete.

As Dex ragged on me, not free-fall, or even faster than free-fall. One fell swoop and it was gone, at speeds that were very close gothe speed of gravity

What about them? Or are you suggesting that everyone who used the service elevators was also in on the "conspiracy? Tons?? are you sure?

Make up your mind, will you. Either the buildings were designed to be quite strong with your tube structures or else they weren't. In order to take out a few floors in those buildings as well as weaken some lower floors, you would use tons of explosive.
[URL="http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion1.htm"]HowStuffWorks "How Building Implosions Work" Sabot? Sabot is a rod usually made of steel. Army Technology - APFSDS - Ammunition I think that would be moot.

I was thinking more of the molten copper round. A little resistance from the back and it's full speed ahead, even through very thick steel. Didn't the Discover Channel teach you that?? That's where I got if from, seems it is as old as bazookas in WWII.

 

[MHz]

That isn't even a coincidence. What is unusual about that?

Do you mean other than it happened about the same time??...in the same place?
Wall Street was fully protected (shut-down) before the planes were ordered to land.
Then the 'culprits relatives' were escorted out of the country even before it was released 'who did it'. Really , nothing to see here folks, move along, move along.
lol It would take years of training to get to that level.

 

[Kreskin]

Do you mean other than it happened about the same time??...in the same place?
Wall Street was fully protected (shut-down) before the planes were ordered to land.
Then the 'culprits relatives' were escorted out of the country even before it was released 'who did it'. Really , nothing to see here folks, move along, move along.
lol It would take years of training to get to that level.

I was referring to the supposed unusual activity involving trading options on airline stock. It's the financial capital of the world and options are traded all of the time. And two giant airplanes just slammed into the world trade center down the street. You think shutting down is unusual? Get serious and stop reading nonsense. The fear factor idiots on the web make money by having conspiracy lovers visit their sites. You guys make them money and they love you, so there won't be a shortage of bs produced.

 

[AnnaG]

Well I guess were are about done here then. You have no doubts the 1st given version is the carved in stone truth so we do not agree.

I have no idea what the first version was. Or the second or third or fourth even. That those planes brought down the buildings is a rational explanation and so far I've seen nothing sensible to tie the known facts together that suggests otherwise. So far I have seen lots of stories that attempt to explain a conspiracy but I or Les has so far managed to poke holes in every one of them. People are just itching to find "the gunman on the grassy knoll" concerning 9/11 and will spin, wiggle, contort, and assume all manners of fantasies to warp the facts around.

I think there needs to be more discussion or whatever to make sure some similar event cannot take place. The ways prior to 911 are the same ways used today to 'catch intelligence'. The CIA could fill volumes on case solved only thanks to the CIA, to them it would just be another chapter in a case they engineered from beginning to end.

I don't think anything of the sort can happen in the US again. I have good reason to think that any plane attempting such an act would be blown to bits by Eagles, Falcons, and/or Raptors. I'm not sure about Hornets, but I know there are those 3 types of birds I mentioned in the air non-stop.

I was thinking more of the molten copper round. A little resistance from the back and it's full speed ahead, even through very thick steel. Didn't the Discover Channel teach you that?? That's where I got if from, seems it is as old as bazookas in WWII.

Funny how something that is at about 1050º C can damage something that will only soften up to about 1300º C. Got a link?

 

[MHz]

I was referring to the supposed unusual activity involving trading options on airline stock. It's the financial capital of the world and options are traded all of the time. And two giant airplanes just slammed into the world trade center down the street. You think shutting down is unusual? Get serious and stop reading nonsense. The fear factor idiots on the web make money by having conspiracy lovers visit their sites. You guys make them money and they love you, so there won't be a shortage of bs produced.

Well there were no sites back then and I doubt very much even one was created with the thoughts of making money. Most have likely cost the owners.
Nothing is nonsense in that the first act the American Gov mad was to shut down the ability to sell stocks. Obviously something was already in place to allow that. Can't protect the lives of many people but non-important things like money and be made 100% safe. lol

I have no idea what the first version was. Or the second or third or fourth even. That those planes brought down the buildings is a rational explanation and so far I've seen nothing sensible to tie the known facts together that suggests otherwise. So far I have seen lots of stories that attempt to explain a conspiracy but I or Les has so far managed to poke holes in every one of them. People are just itching to find "the gunman on the grassy knoll" concerning 9/11 and will spin, wiggle, contort, and assume all manners of fantasies to warp the facts around. I don't think anything of the sort can happen in the US again. I have good reason to think that any plane attempting such an act would be blown to bits by Eagles, Falcons, and/or Raptors. I'm not sure about Hornets, but I know there are those 3 types of birds I mentioned in the air non-stop.


Funny how something that is at about 1050º C can damage something that will only soften up to about 1300º C. Got a link?

The 1st version is the same one you are clinging to. How many 'stories' did you rely on if the word 'squibs' was a new one? Actually it doesn't really matter. A damaged building will fall towards the damaged side, plain and simple.

I'm not sure you have all the info on JFK either, you can prove me wrong though. What legislation was he working on just before he was murdered? This is a skill testing question.

Do any experts dispute your 'findings'?

Iraq was based on Government lies, those have been proved to be lies, nobody has been held accountable and Iraq is still under US Military occupation. Doesn't that tell you anything at all?

Here is one link that should clarify how molten copper can cut steel and other things.
Shaped Charge
Demolition Shaped Charge

The Charge, Demolition, Shaped, 150mm is designed to make holes of considerable depth and breadth in a variety of materials. It consists of a 150mm diameter conical steel liner with three removable legs which provide a standoff of 145mm. The Charge, Demolition, Shaped, 150mm contains 3.1 kg of HE and its total mass is 4.9 kg.
Target Material Depth of Hole (mm)
Armour Plate 178
Mild Steel 250
Hard Rock (Granite) 380
Reinforced concrete 760
Soft rock (Sandstone) 910

 

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Scientific Facts on 9/11 Point at US

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Sane, educated people with a modicum of scientific education and experience know that (1) steel and concrete skyscrapers don't turn to shattered steel, molten metal and fine powder in 10 seconds after localized, relatively low temperature fires and (2) trainee pilots trained on light aircraft for several weeks can't land a passenger jet on a dime (i.e. on the ground floor of the Pentagon) after allegedly slicing through half a dozen light poles and evading umpteen other obstacles on the landing strip (trees, cars, overpasses etc).
MWC News - A Site Without Borders - - Scientific Facts on 9/11 Point at US

 

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September 12-October 2001: Steel Debris From WTC Shipped Out of US for Recycling

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COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA
In the month following 9/11, a significant amount of the steel debris from the WTC collapses is removed from the rubble pile, cut into smaller sections, and either melted at a recycling plant or shipped out of the US.
A respected fire fighting trade magazine comments, “We are literally treating the steel removed from the site like garbage, not like crucial fire scene evidence.” [Fire Engineering, 1/2002] Rep. Joseph Crowley (D) will later call the loss of this evidence “borderline criminal.”
Context of 'September 12-October 2001: Steel Debris From WTC Shipped Out of US for Recycling'

 

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9/11 was a Hoax

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The names of the alleged hijackers, all ostensibly Muslims, were released to the public only hours after the attacks, despite Mueller saying we had no knowledge this would happen. This is an impossible twist of logic. If he didn't know of a plan to strike buildings with planes, how would he know the names of the hijackers? Various artifacts were discovered in strategic places to try to confirm the government's story, but these have all been dismissed as suspicious planting of evidence. Since that time several names on that list have turned up alive and well, living in Arab countries. Yet no attempt has ever been made to update the list. And why were none of these names on the airlines' passenger lists?
9/11 was a Hoax: The American government killed its own people

 

[AnnaG]

Well there were no sites back then and I doubt very much even one was created with the thoughts of making money. Most have likely cost the owners.
Nothing is nonsense in that the first act the American Gov mad was to shut down the ability to sell stocks. Obviously something was already in place to allow that. Can't protect the lives of many people but non-important things like money and be made 100% safe. lol


The 1st version is the same one you are clinging to. How many 'stories' did you rely on if the word 'squibs' was a new one? Actually it doesn't really matter. A damaged building will fall towards the damaged side, plain and simple.

I don't rely on stories. I rely on the facts in them.
Yes, a damaged building will fall on the damaged side, but only the top few floors would have leaned, not the entire tower. Like I said, either you say the buildings were built strongly as you did at first, or they weren't that strong, as it seems you are saying now. It can't be both.

I'm not sure you have all the info on JFK either, you can prove me wrong though. What legislation was he working on just before he was murdered? This is a skill testing question.

Do any experts dispute your 'findings'?

I am not the least interested in the JFK thing. I mentioned it in reference to people imaginaing all sorts of stuff. Hypotheses abound, but all they are is hypotheses. There's nothing definitive about the WTC towers.

Iraq was based on Government lies, those have been proved to be lies, nobody has been held accountable and Iraq is still under US Military occupation. Doesn't that tell you anything at all?

Talk to Extrafire about Iraq. He puts up a good argument about Bush's incompetence as opposed to his lying. Although there are some fishy smelling things concerning the towers, I am convinced that enough is not known to make a definitive judgement call.

Here is one link that should clarify how molten copper can cut steel and other things.
Shaped Charge

Thanks. That's interesting.

 

[MHz]

I don't rely on stories. I rely on the facts in them.
Yes, a damaged building will fall on the damaged side, but only the top few floors would have leaned, not the entire tower. Like I said, either you say the buildings were built strongly as you did at first, or they weren't that strong, as it seems you are saying now. It can't be both.

I am not the least interested in the JFK thing. I mentioned it in reference to people imaginaing all sorts of stuff. Hypotheses abound, but all they are is hypotheses. There's nothing definitive about the WTC towers.

Talk to Extrafire about Iraq. He puts up a good argument about Bush's incompetence as opposed to his lying. Although there are some fishy smelling things concerning the towers, I am convinced that enough is not known to make a definitive judgement call.

Thanks. That's interesting.

They were overbuilt, read something about the designed in strength by the ones who originally designed them. They should have 'broke' where impacted, any portion above that should have gone sideways. I hope that clears up my view as being just one possibility.

You should be interested, even if just for the sake of knowing how things work down there (up here would be no different).

Bush only read what was handed to him, if the intel was fake then somebody else was the author, Bush was not all that involved, he was only a talking-head.

 

[CDNBear]

They were overbuilt, read something about the designed in strength by the ones who originally designed them. They should have 'broke' where impacted, any portion above that should have gone sideways. I hope that clears up my view as being just one possibility.

That is a theory, not a possiblity. The over engineering is also a theory. There is no practical science to support it.

You should be interested, even if just for the sake of knowing how things work down there (up here would be no different).

You don't even know how things work. You're the last person in this forum that should be giving that advice to anybody!!!

Bush only read what was handed to him, if the intel was fake then somebody else was the author, Bush was not all that involved, he was only a talking-head.

Then you and Bush have a lot in common.

 

[TenPenny]

They were overbuilt, read something about the designed in strength by the ones who originally designed them. They should have 'broke' where impacted, any portion above that should have gone sideways. I hope that clears up my view as being just one possibility.

By your logic, nothing ever built or designed should ever collapse, because everything is 'overdesigned'.

 

[Kakato]

I loved it when the foilers grasped on to the term "pull it" thinking it meant to set off the controled demo.

I've spent many years working on a blasting crew and not once did I ever hear that term,neither did any of the blasters I asked.:roll:

 

[AnnaG]

They were overbuilt, read something about the designed in strength by the ones who originally designed them. They should have 'broke' where impacted, any portion above that should have gone sideways. I hope that clears up my view as being just one possibility.

No, they shouldn't have. If they were overbuilt those planes should have splattered all over the sides of them. They were built strong on the periphery to withstand sheer forces. Sheer forces are what the planes applied.

You should be interested, even if just for the sake of knowing how things work down there (up here would be no different).

I'd be more interested when something other than wild and inaccurate conjecture surfaces concerning the JFK assassination.

Bush only read what was handed to him, if the intel was fake then somebody else was the author, Bush was not all that involved, he was only a talking-head.

Like I said, get Extrafire to explain it to you. He ssems like he's researched it a lot.

 

[Kreskin]

Demolition crew going to work.
YouTube - 2nd Plane WTC

 

[AnnaG]

Demolition crew going to work.
YouTube - 2nd Plane WTC

Ahah! See the building did lean but then it stood back upright again.
Or at least that's according to how well the camera was held. lol

 

[GreenFish66]

World trade buildings were always a target...Pentegon /security needed to update their technology!...Bush II administration was their republican team !...It helped to further his obvious agenda.He won the election through contraversy !..It was all designed and carried out For the greater good of america through the eyes of repubicans..!

911 was a political attack on capitalists..There is more behind the scenes than meets the eye.That's what feeds most conspiracies .But 991, reaks of repubican extremism, mixed with foreign terrorism..

Building 7 was not taken down by an airplane..It was done sometime later by professional demolishion experts..

Those buildings were always a target, and whatever the 100% truth is .No one will truly ever know yet none will ever forget .

No one will ever debate the fact the World trade buildings were hit by airplanes and demolished/disintegrated before all our eye's ,over and over again...For the whole world to see.

Looking back, I would say .. We are all safer now that the buildings are gone...To those who lost family and friends they will always be remembered and commemorated ..

Peace

 

[Kreskin]

Listen to this foolish nonsense.
YouTube - Strange things in 911 footage - look closely

 

[AnnaG]

Listen to this foolish nonsense.

Geeez. Someone should smack Someone should smack Someone should smack Someone should smack the goof who made Someone should smack the goof who made Someone should smack the goof who made that on the side of head. He's skipping.

 

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FLASHBACK - Italy Ex-President – CIA And Mossad Ran 9-11

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Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies.
Italy Ex-President – CIA And Mossad Ran 9-11 « Dprogram.net