Anouncing a new web site: The Science of 9/11
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So you think parts of building don't move before they fall down and steel girders (spires or whatever) can atomize? lol
I would still view the facts rather than make assumptions about what happened. Fact such as falling floors of a building do not fall at maximum velocity, steel does weaken with heat, floors weigh many tons, and when you have 15 of them bearing down on a couple floors with uneven weakened structures, you shouldn't be surprised if it collapses.etc.
Looks like a gap in the plumes of smoke/dust to me.
Have you ever smacked a rock or a bit of concrete with something hard? There are pieces flying in all manners of directions. A floor of a building landing on another floor below would seem to be the same sort of action only on a larger scale. Drop a piece of concrete on another piece of concrete and see if all the pieces broken off fall straight down.
I'd be interested in seeing how it was done without someone leaking info about how it was GOING to be done. Hauling tons of explosives up 70 floors without anyone knowing about it, having airplanes pretend to fly into the buildings, etc. seems to be a little far-fetched to me.
Want to see what happens to a windshield when the roof frame of a vehicle gets warped a bit? Or when the temperature inside a relatively sealed vehicle gets heated to a certain point?
Hani Hanjour - 9/11 Pilot Extraordinaire
By: malterwitty
Tags: 911
"...and this is the part which is confounding me ... how do you as the terrorist have the level of sophistication to take over the controls of a sophisticated airliner jet plane to be able to fly accurately into targets like hitting dead center into the Pentagon which is a low building?"
Flight 77 Hijacker Hani Hanjour - 9/11 Pilot Extraordinaire
By: malterwitty
Tags: 911
"...and this is the part which is confounding me ... how do you as the terrorist have the level of sophistication to take over the controls of a sophisticated airliner jet plane to be able to fly accurately into targets like hitting dead center into the Pentagon which is a low building?"
Flight 77 Hijacker Hani Hanjour - 9/11 Pilot Extraordinaire
All 9/11 Airports Serviced by One Israeli Owned Company
Tags: 911
The point of the article was that ICTS knew shoe bomber Richard Reid was dangerous, but allowed him on board a flight from Tel Aviv to Paris. Maybe they did and maybe they didn't. But the idea that an Israeli owned company had inside access to the airport used to launch an abortive terror attack brought to mind the strange message Odigo Systems, another Israeli owned company with offices near the World Trade Towers, received that warned of the impending attacks before the hijacked planes had even left the ground.
ALL THE 9-11 AIRPORTS SERVICED BY ONE ISRAELI OWNED COMPANY
purely a coincidence.....nothing t' worry about................
Tags: 911
The point of the article was that ICTS knew shoe bomber Richard Reid was dangerous, but allowed him on board a flight from Tel Aviv to Paris. Maybe they did and maybe they didn't. But the idea that an Israeli owned company had inside access to the airport used to launch an abortive terror attack brought to mind the strange message Odigo Systems, another Israeli owned company with offices near the World Trade Towers, received that warned of the impending attacks before the hijacked planes had even left the ground.
ALL THE 9-11 AIRPORTS SERVICED BY ONE ISRAELI OWNED COMPANY
purely a coincidence.....nothing t' worry about................
How Did Human Remains End Up Miles From Flight 93's Crash Site?
Tags: 911
"Finding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine." [Pittsburgh Post Gazette, 09/13/01]
Have a good think about the above.
Are we supposed to believe that hijackers armed with only box cutters forced an angry mob to jump from the plane seconds before the crash? Or are we supposed to believe that people simply felt compelled to jump from the plane? If the official story is true then people jumping from the plane is the only way human remains could have been found miles from Flight 93's crash site.
How Did Human Remains End Up Miles From Flight 93's Crash Site?
Tags: 911
"Finding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine." [Pittsburgh Post Gazette, 09/13/01]
Have a good think about the above.
Are we supposed to believe that hijackers armed with only box cutters forced an angry mob to jump from the plane seconds before the crash? Or are we supposed to believe that people simply felt compelled to jump from the plane? If the official story is true then people jumping from the plane is the only way human remains could have been found miles from Flight 93's crash site.
How Did Human Remains End Up Miles From Flight 93's Crash Site?
9-11 SUPPRESSED DETAILS OF CRIMINAL INSIDER TRADING LEAD DIRECTLY INTO THE CIA'S HIGHEST RANKS
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Although uniformly ignored by the mainstream U.S. media, there is abundant and clear evidence that a number of transactions in financial markets indicated specific (criminal) foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In the case of at least one of these trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the "put options" on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by the man who is now in the number three Executive Director position at the Central Intelligence Agency.
Details of 9/11 Insider Trading Lead Directly to CIA's Highest Ranks
just another coincidence.............
Tags: 911
Although uniformly ignored by the mainstream U.S. media, there is abundant and clear evidence that a number of transactions in financial markets indicated specific (criminal) foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In the case of at least one of these trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the "put options" on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by the man who is now in the number three Executive Director position at the Central Intelligence Agency.
Details of 9/11 Insider Trading Lead Directly to CIA's Highest Ranks
just another coincidence.............
Bush Caught in a Lie About the 9/11 WTC Attacks
Tags: 911
Bush: And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."
But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."
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See Booker Elementary Principal Confirms Bush Didn't See WTC Footage Before He Entered Classroom
Bush Caught in a Lie About the 9/11 WTC Attacks
THE FBI SHUT DOWN OF ARAB MUSLIM WEB SITES IN THE DAYS LEADING UP TO 9/11
FLASHBACK - The FBI Allowed the 1993 WTC Bombing to Happen
Tags: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA
Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.
The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor.
The FBI Allowed the 1993 WTC Bombing to Happen
9-11 - Muslims Suspend Laws of Physics!
Tags: 911
I tried to be patriotic.
I tried to believe. I watched those quarter mile high buildings fall through their jaw-dropping catastrophes over and over again. I listened to the announcer and the experts explain what had happened. And I worked at my pitiful lack of faith, pounding my skull with the remote control and staring at the flickering images on the TV screen.
But poor mental peasant that I am, I could not escape the teachings of my forefathers. I fear I am trapped in my time, walled off from further scientific understanding by my inability to abandon the Second Millennium mindset.
Muslims Suspend Laws of Physics, Part I
The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11
Tags: 911 COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDAISRAEL
When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!
According to ABC?s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers: "We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." (10)
9-11 Attacks: The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested on 9-11
The BBC's 'WTC 7 Collapsed At 4:54 p.m.' Videos
Tags: 911
At 21:54 GMT on 9/11/2001 the BBC announced that WTC 7 had collapsed. There was just one problem with this news: WTC 7 did not collapse until 22:20 GMT.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bbc_wtc7_videos.html
9/11 News Videos Reporting WTC Explosions
Tags: 911
"...and then all of a sudden it
started like... it sounded like gunfire... you know, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and then all of a sudden
three big explosions."
WMV video download (231kB)
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/9-11_wtc_explosions.html
Shaped Charges and the World Trade Center Collapses
Tags: 911
Bush: And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."
But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."
Webmaster's Commentary:
See Booker Elementary Principal Confirms Bush Didn't See WTC Footage Before He Entered Classroom
Bush Caught in a Lie About the 9/11 WTC Attacks
THE FBI SHUT DOWN OF ARAB MUSLIM WEB SITES IN THE DAYS LEADING UP TO 9/11
FLASHBACK - The FBI Allowed the 1993 WTC Bombing to Happen
Tags: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA
Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.
The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor.
The FBI Allowed the 1993 WTC Bombing to Happen
9-11 - Muslims Suspend Laws of Physics!
Tags: 911
I tried to be patriotic.
I tried to believe. I watched those quarter mile high buildings fall through their jaw-dropping catastrophes over and over again. I listened to the announcer and the experts explain what had happened. And I worked at my pitiful lack of faith, pounding my skull with the remote control and staring at the flickering images on the TV screen.
But poor mental peasant that I am, I could not escape the teachings of my forefathers. I fear I am trapped in my time, walled off from further scientific understanding by my inability to abandon the Second Millennium mindset.
Muslims Suspend Laws of Physics, Part I
The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11
Tags: 911 COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDAISRAEL
When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!
According to ABC?s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers: "We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." (10)
9-11 Attacks: The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested on 9-11
The BBC's 'WTC 7 Collapsed At 4:54 p.m.' Videos
Tags: 911
At 21:54 GMT on 9/11/2001 the BBC announced that WTC 7 had collapsed. There was just one problem with this news: WTC 7 did not collapse until 22:20 GMT.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bbc_wtc7_videos.html
9/11 News Videos Reporting WTC Explosions
Tags: 911
"...and then all of a sudden it
started like... it sounded like gunfire... you know, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and then all of a sudden
three big explosions."
WMV video download (231kB)
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/9-11_wtc_explosions.html
Shaped Charges and the World Trade Center Collapses
ISRAELI EMBASSY IN NYC A RADIATION HOT SPOT
by x
Saturday, Oct. 14, 2006 at 5:05 PM
Feds surveyed NYC for radiation, found tainted park, Embassy
http://www.nogw.com/download/_07_il_nyc_embassy_hot_spot.pdf
Are the MOSSAD & CIA close to setting off another 9/11?
What is one to make of all these planted stories that are being fed into the 'Echo Chamber' of surreality, priming and pimping the world for the next 9/11?
Goon Squad: Are the MOSSAD & CIA close to setting off another 9/11?
Israeli NYC Embassy
A Radiation Hot Spot?
Near News Blackout On This Important Story
[SIZE=+1]What if the "stunning" peak of radiation were found at the Iranian Embassy instead of the Israeli one? Would not an immediate raid be in order? Especially since we are worried about a foreign nation with nuclear capacities and materials sneaking in such to our country to create a "dirty bomb" scenario. Maybe one that could be blamed on Iran, as Brezinski has warned. Israeli NYC Embassy A Radiation Hot Spot?
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I'm tellin' ya man. It was the Papacy!
Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
If it did in the Rabbit of Caerbannog no sweat, what is three office towers?
Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.
If it did in the Rabbit of Caerbannog no sweat, what is three office towers?
Currently it is below the production levels that the US insisted on in that 10 year period prior to the invasion after 911.
Who controls the oil right now, the us or Iraq? The US because they have the final say in everything that goes on in Iraq.
Well where did I ever mention free gas? Who is 'everyone'? Anna couldn't even see the steel without detailed. Troll is calling you a name, lol. I didn't realize you were such a puss. Not like your post had any purpose other than to mock my statements.
Perhaps you just don't like to confirm that American companies are in line for 40 yera no-bid contracts. Iraq might get 20%, 80% goes to the American companies and their shareholders. Why do I have to explain how your companies fleese people in other Nations? First them and their own taxpayers via all the trillions in bank bailouts, lol.
With a lot of SUV's carrying about 1 person each it would appear that gas is still quite cheap, must be all those hefty dividend cheques.
Sure they have, there are just more trolls than there are opponents to the first and only Gov version. The same one that didn't get one point right about the case for invading Iraq got 911 right in only a few hours. And you say Christians are gullible LOL.
Stretch seems to have some links for those topics. How sad that your faith is so blind it could not tolerate a full blown independent investigation, instead you fell at ease only if those implicated are the ones to determine who will do the investigation. That is not sad it is pitiful.
Is this one of those drill things Eagles mentioned? Are you talking about those 'squib things'?
New WTC Implosion Video - Squibs | 100777.com
At about 1:20 the squibs are first seen. In WTC7 the squibs seem to be corner windows. If an entire floor crashed more than one window would be blasted out. In the towers it seems to be the entire floor, in an orderly, quick fashion. Anybody
number those floors to determine what was on them. I stopped watching just when the falling debris was past the window explosions. In a pancake theory, the fall should gain momentum the more floors that are in free-fall. The ejected debris
comes from behind and by the time it obscures the actual building you do notice that it is in an acceleration mode. I wouldn't say that about the rate the floors crashed, it seems to be at a very steady rate.
Been there done that. Dropped a concrete sidewalk block onto another from waist height. Both survived intact, a few chips at worst.
Take a sample the same as WTC 1/2's floors and drop it on a replica from the right height. Rebar reinforced concrete would have been everywhere, even in the floors.
Would the speed the floors were coming down be enough to 'turn them to dust' (the stuff being ejected along with other objects not collected by the crushing weight.
Please tell me you know there are things called service elevators. Tons?? are you sure? The same principle that allows a shell to penetrate heavy armor could be used as a cutting charge. That would weigh next to nothing. A 1/4" fiber optic cable could pass anong all the timing sequences needed. Elevator shaft 'work' could go on 24/7. Access was from the deepest parts of the structure to probably past anyplace normal elevators went, plus much bigger doors and higher weight capacity,
Tenpenny, who do you think JFK was referencing in the speech shown in the 'ring of power' documentry? We put the names luminati and such on them but they were in operation back then, according to JFK. For the most part he seemed to be quite sincere in his speeches.
JFK Speech on Secret Societies and Freedom of the Press « Comfortably Oblivious
No. I have no idea what a squib is other than a short lampoon. lol
When buildings crash they don't crash uniformly. There are points in structures that are weaker than others. And they occur everywhere in a building. A stress on a third floor bearing wall may produce a crack in a first floor pony wall sort if thing. Concrete stresses arbitrarily. Steel stresses arbitrarily. So the weakest points show first and the strongest points last. Watcha lab testing concrete sometimes. It looks like the concrete "explodes" sometimes. Glass definitely "explodes".
I'm not into things that "seem", thanks. I "seem" to get bored with them.
So? Can you answer my question? Did the chips fall straight down or were they squirted in several directions.
And you'd have chunks of rebar-enforced concrete as well as chunks of concrete that had separated from rebar flying places. So?
You tell me. You're the one that said it'd come down at free-fall velocity. As I said, watch tests done on concrete.
What about them? Or are you suggesting that everyone who used the service elevators was also in on the "conspiracy? Tons?? are you sure?[/quote]Make up your mind, will you. Either the buildings were designed to be quite strong with your tube structures or else they weren't. In order to take out a few floors in those buildings as well as weaken some lower floors, you would use tons of explosive.
HowStuffWorks "How Building Implosions Work"
Sabot? Sabot is a rod usually made of steel. Army Technology - APFSDS - Ammunition
I think that would be moot.