Yes.
The two Senators are Dems (Feinstein and Boxer), Pelosi is a Dem and the majority of the representatives from California are Dems.
Hillary Clinton SNAPS!
- Thread starter EagleSmack
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Yes.
The two Senators are Dems (Feinstein and Boxer), Pelosi is a Dem and the majority of the representatives from California are Dems.
Nyet. Wrong. The whole country knew Obama was going to win.
You are wrong, EagleSmack. As I said, read any of the far right websites from that period. Republican base was convinced that they had it in the bag.
I was looking at Town Hall and CNN both on Election Day. On the Town hall they asked the posters to post their predictions as to how the election was going to turn out. They all said that McCain was going to win, of course. As to Senate, the consensus seems to be that Democrats will end up with between 51 and 53 Senators.
Sez you.
Indeed, sez I.
Now that is a matter of opinion now isn't it.
Indeed it is and I am sticking to my opinion, that you are a conservative Republican in spirit, if not in membership.
You are wrong, EagleSmack. As I said, read any of the far right websites from that period. Republican base was convinced that they had it in the bag.
I was looking at Town Hall and CNN both on Election Day. On the Town hall they asked the posters to post their predictions as to how the election was going to turn out. They all said that McCain was going to win, of course. As to Senate, the consensus seems to be that Democrats will end up with between 51 and 53 Senators.
Sez you.
Indeed, sez I.
Now that is a matter of opinion now isn't it.
Indeed it is and I am sticking to my opinion, that you are a conservative Republican in spirit, if not in membership.
:roll:, maybe you should have been looking around a little bit more. What I was seeing was the majority of the country seeing an Obama win with the die hard republicans, ONLY, seeing McCain pulling a last minute win. That was more wishfull thinking than anything else.
I think y'all kinda missed the point off the top there about why it was Bill, not Hillary, who went to North Korea, and to understand that you have to understand why North Korea seized those two American journalists in the first place, and not coincidentally why North Korea went to all the trouble and expense of developing nuclear weapons. They are related. Having nuclear weapons forces the major powers to pay attention to it. Seizing U.S. hostages pretty much compels some high level negotiation with the great power, and, they hoped, a high level emissary arriving at their door. That's what a weenie state like North Korea craves, serious attention from the powers that really matter. Hillary's a very high level official of the U.S. government and thus speaks for it on certain matters, and the U.S. government is not going to grant North Korea the level of recognition sending someone like that would imply. Bill's a celebrity elder statesman, but a private citizen who cannot in any sense speak on behalf of the U.S. anymore. So, Bill goes, North Korea gets its visit from a high level emissary of a great power with all the propaganda value that goes with it (at least within its own borders), the U.S. gets its citizens back safely while rendering all issues of North Korea's legitimacy in U.S. eyes deniable. Elementary diplomatic maneuvering.
Dexter, my understanding is that the two journalists inadvertently strayed into North Korea, they were not aware of what they were doing. So my sympathies were definitely with them.
This is in contrast to the three backpackers who were arrested in Iran. When they went to the border town in Iraq, they were warned by Iraqi police to be careful. They were told that they were dangerously close to the border, and to be sure to stay on this side of the border.
Evidently they did not heed the advice. They went backpacking right close to the border anyway, and strayed into Iran. In my opinion, they went looking for trouble. You would think they would have brains enough to stay out of trouble.
As to their release, US should do all it can through normal diplomatic channels. But Obama would be crazy to send a high level emissary such as Bill Clinton to Iran.
This is in contrast to the three backpackers who were arrested in Iran. When they went to the border town in Iraq, they were warned by Iraqi police to be careful. They were told that they were dangerously close to the border, and to be sure to stay on this side of the border.
Evidently they did not heed the advice. They went backpacking right close to the border anyway, and strayed into Iran. In my opinion, they went looking for trouble. You would think they would have brains enough to stay out of trouble.
As to their release, US should do all it can through normal diplomatic channels. But Obama would be crazy to send a high level emissary such as Bill Clinton to Iran.
I think you missed my point: Bill Clinton's not really a high level emissary of the U.S. government, but he's uniquely placed to appear to be one for propaganda purposes to low rent nations like North Korea and Iran while giving the U.S. government plausible deniability for everything he does. As long as he's willing to play that role, and those pissant states are willing to accept him in it, I think Obama'd be crazy *not* to use him.
She was, with good cause, much of the world doesn't take women seriously in roles of power and authority and I think that's what we saw in the video clip in the OP. That's certainly part of the point, but not all of it. The rest of the point is that there were very good reasons why it was Bill rather than Hillary who went to North Korea, and they have nothing to do with their personal relationship.
Heh... a competent and capable politician would have answered some other question that wasn't asked, or not answered at all, would have made up something irrelevant to what was asked. I think she was direct, honest, and correct. She does not speak for her husband, he does not speak for her. That's the right answer.
She could have been polite and considered that something got twisted in the translation. She snapped, pure and simple. It's no wonder she couldn't win the Democratic nomination.