Is a fetus a Human being?

[AnnaG]

Quoting SirJosephPorter And why should he do that? The burden of proof is upon those who claim that fetus is a human being. Currently accepted view is that it is not a human being, that is why abortion is legal in most countries in the world.​

If you want to change the status quo, it is up to you to prove your case. You go ahead and prove that fetus is a human being. You haven’t done that, several of you have been making that argument here, but I doubt if you have convinced anybody (certainly you haven’t convinced me).​

So taxslave doesn’t have to do anything, those who claim that fetus is a human being since conception, they have to prove their case, convince the scientific community, who will then transmit their findings to us mortals (in the form of briefing, press release by AMA, CMA, GMC, articles in JAMA, Nature etc.). Then I will be convinced (and I suspect so will most people).​

The opening message proves the fetus is human, where is it you find that a human fetus is not human? Just show me, I'm not locked in the post I made.

I saw that.
Perhaps the currently accepted view is that a fetus isn't a human, but I still defy anyone to show us where the appropriate science supports that view (IOW, most people are ignorant of the facts).

There is LOADS of scientific evidence pointing to fetuses being human. I just reasearched it. Couldn't find anything by any scientist involved in biology that said different. They quibble about at what point a zygote becomes human or at what stage an embryo becomes human but none I found mention anything about a living thing poofing into a human at birth.

BTW, Sir Joe Pompous, I did include a pdf fromthe AMA/JAMA that indicated their position. So you didn't even bother to read very much of my research. Not that you'd recognize evidence anyway.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

It's unlikely but not impossible.

Lets assume you were looking at a fertilized chicken egg. Would you think of it as a chicken or an egg?

That depends, Kreskin. An average person would consider that as an egg. However, a prolifer will consider that as chicken.

 

[Kreskin]

Even that is a stretch.

Is a human being a fetus?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

That's as far as I'm taking it. Now if someone wants they can argue rights, or what ever they want. It is a legal, religious issue, not a biological issue.

Ironsides, it is a legal, religious, medical and biological issue. And unless and until scientists tell us that it is a human being, average person wont’ be convinced.

At least not here in Canada, I don’t know about USA. Influence of religious Fundamentalism is strong in USA (After all, Fundamentalists made you guys to bring in prohibition). So Fundamentalists may well be able to ram through a ban on all abortions in USA, I don’t know.

 

[AnnaG]

Even that is a stretch.

Is a human being a fetus?

For a part of its existence. Yup.
Is an old person a human? IS a human an old person?

 

[Kreskin]

Is a human fetus a being?

Is being human a fetus?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Even that is a stretch.

Is a human being a fetus?

But of course it is, Kreskin. Didn’t you know the prolife motto? Life begins at conception and ends at birth.

Because the same crowd that sheds crocodile tears over destroying of a fetus (0which according to them is same as a human being like you or I), the same crowd is also opposedto welfare, any help for single mothers (they think all the welfare should be left to the Church), giving the single mother any advice about contraception (no sex before marriage), helping her with education (a woman's place is in the home and she should find a man to marry) etc.

 

[gerryh]

But of course it is, Kreskin. Didn’t you know the prolife motto? Life begins at conception and ends at birth.

Because the same crowd that sheds crocodile tears over destroying of a fetus (0which according to them is same as a human being like you or I), the same crowd is also opposed welfare, any help for single mothers (they think all the welfare should be left to the Church), giving the single mother any advice about contraception (no sex before marriage), helping her with education (a woman's place is in the home and she should find a man to marry) etc.

I know this moron can't see what I write, but this has got to be one of the stupidest things he has written yet.

 

[Kreskin]

But of course it is, Kreskin. Didn’t you know the prolife motto? Life begins at conception and ends at birth.

Because the same crowd that sheds crocodile tears over destroying of a fetus (0which according to them is same as a human being like you or I), the same crowd is also opposedto welfare, any help for single mothers (they think all the welfare should be left to the Church), giving the single mother any advice about contraception (no sex before marriage), helping her with education (a woman's place is in the home and she should find a man to marry) etc.

But they do support exorcism of gays and lesbians.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

The opening message proves the fetus is human, where is it you find that a human fetus is not human? Just show me, I'm not locked in the post I made.

That doesn't make sense, ironsides. What opening message, and how does it prove that fetus is human?

 

[gerryh]

But they do support exorcism of gays and lesbians.

and I see you have jumped on the stupid train with him.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

But they do support exorcism of gays and lesbians.

But of course. Incidentally the same website, American College of Pediatricians, which supposedly is the ultimate authority in deciding that fetus is a human being, is viciously anti-gay, it advocates all kinds of discrimination against gays.

If prolifers have to quote extreme right wing, religious right websites such as this one, they may as well give up the argument.

 

[lone wolf]

But of course it is, Kreskin. Didn’t you know the prolife motto? Life begins at conception and ends at birth.

Because the same crowd that sheds crocodile tears over destroying of a fetus (0which according to them is same as a human being like you or I), the same crowd is also opposedto welfare, any help for single mothers (they think all the welfare should be left to the Church), giving the single mother any advice about contraception (no sex before marriage), helping her with education (a woman's place is in the home and she should find a man to marry) etc.

Just based on this statement, you are a complete waste of perfectly good oxygen.....

 

[AnnaG]

Is a human fetus a being?

According to science, it is, yes.

Is being human a fetus?

huh? That makes no sense. Did you mean "is being a human, being a fetus" ?

 

[AnnaG]

I know this moron can't see what I write, but this has got to be one of the stupidest things he has written yet.

It sure is loaded with stereotyping, bigotry, and assumption, that's for sure.

 

[Cannuck]

Nope....but if that egg is fertilized, what is growing inside of it IS a chicken.

Isn't it amazing that such a simple concept needs to be explained to some people.

 

[AnnaG]

Just based on this statement, you are a complete waste of perfectly good oxygen.....

I don't think oxygen can reach his parts.

 

[AnnaG]

Isn't it amazing that such a simple concept needs to be explained to some people.

More evidence that there still are more than one coexisting branch of humans like way back when there were Neanderthal, Australopithecus, Cro Magnon, etc. wandering around.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

BTW, Sir Joe Pompous, I did include a pdf fromthe AMA/JAMA that indicated their position.

I looked at your posts again and I didn’t find any link to AMA/JAMA, Anna. But I did find the following:

Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed..

That summarizes the scientific consensus very accurately. Life is a continuum, with no beginning or end. Fertilization is of course, a critical step, so is development of embryo though various stages.

Anyway, post the link again and I will take a look at it.

 

[Cannuck]

Because the same crowd that sheds crocodile tears over destroying of a fetus (0which according to them is same as a human being like you or I)....

Wrong again Joey. A fetus has the potential to become a well rounded intelligent human being. You don't.