Gay Rights And The Bible

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''all fallen angels were put in the pit (during the flood) and therefore null and void of any actual influence in the affairs of man ever since that time.''


While it is true that these fallen angels were destroyed in the Flood, other angels were violative of divine law by going after strange flesh in Sodom and Gomorrha as shown in New Testament Jude 1:7. Again, this proves that contrary to commonly taught Christian teaching, homosexuality was not the cause of the troubles in those two cities.
 

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Gee Dex maybe you should learn to read. When you come up with questions about God...consult the book that has the actual answers. The readers you have encountered are not going to give you what you want. An answer that makes sense.
The influence I am under is the after affects of (more than I care to share with you or this board). Even that does not alter the fact that the reason you cannot find God is that you want him delivered on a platter. Ain't gonna happen.......ever.
Drop by drop.....if you are persistant...if you are not...phaseII isn't so bad, from the bit that is said aboutb that part of their journey, it's thgat long, long, long wait for the doors to open that is the real bitch (according to most Scripture)

BTW if you find them utterly confusing they must be bang-on. Have faith in God
 

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No MHz, my reading comprehension is excellent, the failure of clarity is yours. The book doesn't demonstrate god exists, it simply assumes it. The reason I can't find god is because he has no reality outside the realm of ideas.
 

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MHz, your posts #215, 216, and 219 in this thread are magnificently incoherent, I have no idea what you're going on about, and remarks like "Oh piss off" and "Fuk the courts" are not your usual style. Maybe you shouldn't post when you're under the influence... :-?

I'm with you on this one. Mhz is off his/her freakin tree tonight. Not one coherent word except when he told the Captain to shut up. It was coherent but didn't fit anything that followed. I hope I never accidentally ingest what ever it was that he/she ingested.
 

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I'm not sure if it it just neticate 'r not, but you should reply only once in a certain time-frame, post=bump. You should reply to all handles in an up to date manner (all-in-one theme). As you can tell I am guilty of that as well. What can I say????
I don't know what you can say. Not exactly sure what you were saying here even. But I'll assume I'd agree with it.
Sort of like your kids (and all other generations that follow the same path)have no higher authority than you (for the better or the worse). Gos is no different, that is what the words 'mother hen' are meant to convey. Just a bit too early in the program for such feats to actually occur on a global scale. That is His realm, spreading the word only meant people had heard of this one particular God. Like I have already stated, after reading a great deal of it . It seems it doesn't matter a great deal. Entrance to Heaven is, for mortal men, almost a shoe-in. No change in behavior means a very short stay, ask Satan if words can also mean action completed without much (if any) effort.
So if everyone's almost a shoe in anyway, why create sin?Why not just make everyone good and let them do what they want without all the stuff that harms others? See, that's another part that makes no sense.
The only God's standing today are mortal. To cut to the chase, God can resurrect people from the grave, if you can't do that the rest doesn't matter. Not that it is a little either.
If the fact that jealous is something that God can 'feel', think of it as motivation, even to the point of fury, and how that will be poured out.
M't:8:29:
And,
behold,
they cried out,
saying,
What have we to do with thee,
Jesus, thou Son of God?
art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

That is not past what you would feel about something you loved that could be retrieved.


Don't sweat it...I just found it Ironic in a 'is this a trap sort of way' since you don't usually misspeell ether
NP :)


Oh piss off. Did you not indicate that Bible believing people are a bit retarded (and therefore the same in all other matters as well)??
No. Simply deluded. Everyone is deluded at some point or other. The nifty thing is that we have the ability to get past it if we want.
Fuk the courts, I'm wondering if you are are a fuktard or not. On close examination I doubt you have been exposed to very much Scripture on a read it yourself basis.
He didn't design it to fail...
No, but hypothetically speaking, apparently he designed us to fail.
however He did make plans to retrieve anything that was "lost or stolen" (like what the graves hold even now) Not all that hard to say but mine/our God is an emotional God. Garden ..hello... grass tickles feet.. all worth it in the end...that God.
So how did He become a tyrant in your world?? (with the hope that you skip this and get back to the topic whic is now throughly dead)
Well, I just read about a lot of destruction and death attributed to him and the idea that if I was all powerful I'd design at least people a wee bit better.
Anyway, concerning the topic; I don't particularly find very many people repulsive at all, save people like Olson, Pickton, and others who seem that their only pursuit in life is to make others miserable. The sex thing is a function of the human body like breathing, sleeping, and sneezing If people love each other, that is the point to me, not whether they are supposed to be of opposite sex according to some book written long ago in a differrent time and under different circumstances. People are people. No-one's perfect so I don't think any of us have a right to judge anyone else on the grounds of basic human function. If there is a god or many gods, let them judge people on such matters.
 
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I appreciate the attempted update, all fallen angels were put in the pit (during the flood) and therefore null and void of any actual influence in the affairs of man ever since that time. Cepting the time that is just before the day of the Lord.

The place where Jesus was crucified is called (spiritually)Sodom in Revelation. At that time the abomination is putting a throne for a man in place that is considered sacred ground. Good luck with that one lol Being gay certainly is a no go at that scene. That is all about Satan marking his sons. Gets about as far as the sin(s) in the garden, nowhere...fast.
Strange flesh for men is a woman other than their wife. That would include men and all other species of life within reach.
But not goats and chickens of opposite sex?
 

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No MHz, my reading comprehension is excellent, the failure of clarity is yours. The book doesn't demonstrate god exists, it simply assumes it. The reason I can't find god is because he has no reality outside the realm of ideas.

You will never find God untill the Holy Spirit touches you.
You have forever so no worries there.

Hopefully you don't cause too much harm to those that believe and need a bit of shelter from your storm.
An athiest who has to shout is cast from the same coin as the faithfull who have to shout, you so mock.

Why do you have to prove yourself here?
Odd is that....hmmmmmmmm.....

Why hurt the needfull, and enrage the faithfull?

Of what need do you have that this stance is more important than allowing the needfull peace?
 

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''all fallen angels were put in the pit (during the flood) and therefore null and void of any actual influence in the affairs of man ever since that time.''


While it is true that these fallen angels were destroyed in the Flood, other angels were violative of divine law by going after strange flesh in Sodom and Gomorrha as shown in New Testament Jude 1:7. Again, this proves that contrary to commonly taught Christian teaching, homosexuality was not the cause of the troubles in those two cities.
That is why Satan's sin of attempting to mark some men as his property goes nowhere. One reference to the sin that reaches into Heaven is not a big clue.
Tell you what, when you find yourself at this time and place , don't think it's a joke.

Re:21:8:
But the fearful,
and unbelieving,
and the abominable,
and murderers,
and *****mongers,
and sorcerers,
and idolaters,
and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

I'm pretty sure being gay (for either sex) is included in there somewhere.

So your sin is not enough to bring down fire from Heaven (and I certainly agree that being gay is pretty minor when compared to what is going on in Scripture, at any level.
 

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But not goats and chickens of opposite sex?
LOL no idea, it wasn't all that important apprently, it only got a few verses. The subjects that take up two or more chapters are more meaty. Stephen and Peter's experiences in the beginning of acts get almost no headline, yet God gives them about 4 chapters.....I would almost suspect He had some sort of message of some sort to pass on to ...interested parties...
Besides this is the family version if I am not mistraken
 

AnnaG

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hehehe Well, strange flesh is strange flesh; people flesh to me isn't strange. lol
 

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I don't know what you can say. Not exactly sure what you were saying here even. But I'll assume I'd agree with it.
So if everyone's almost a shoe in anyway, why create sin?
You can answer multiple people in one post, that was the whole message. I don't care..apparently.
Sin wasn't the big deal, free will was. A created being given choices with consequences known. Angels had theirs and Adam and Eve had theirs.

Why do you create rules for your children?? Most are to keep them from harm, others might be closer to making your life easier, not that it is a bad thing if used in moderation.
 

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You will never find God untill the Holy Spirit touches you.
You have forever so no worries there.

Hopefully you don't cause too much harm to those that believe and need a bit of shelter from your storm.
An athiest who has to shout is cast from the same coin as the faithfull who have to shout, you so mock.

Why do you have to prove yourself here?
Odd is that....hmmmmmmmm.....

Why hurt the needfull, and enrage the faithfull?

Of what need do you have that this stance is more important than allowing the needfull peace?

If you pay attention, you will notice that people are just expressing their beliefs, for or against the idea of god. But some say there is no other truth but god and his holy word, the bible. Those that have bothered to study the history of the bible know that that is not true, so they question those who condemn others for not believing. You will not hear a detractor say that you are going to hell for believing the non sense in the bible but you will hear plenty of believers say non believers will. Who do yu think is the more judgmental? Who do you think is breaking a rule in their own belief system?
"Judge not lest ye shall be judged." Who do you think is the hypocrite?
 

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Hopefully you don't cause too much harm to those that believe and need a bit of shelter from your storm.
Frankly, I don't much care about that. I don't like to hurt people and I don't do it deliberately, but I think those that believe are demonstrably wrong, they're deluded, living in a dream world. A dose of a different reality might be painful to them, but if their belief is so fragile and ill-founded that what I say hurts them, that's only what they deserve. No believers can hurt me with their beliefs, I'm as sure of my convictions as they are of theirs, and logic and evidence are on my side. If that hurts them, too bad, they need to rethink their position.
 

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"Judge not lest ye shall be judged." Who do you think is the hypocrite?
The OT has one book that has a few pages that list what sort of activities will not be practiced in Heaven. The good news is that it applies after a cetrain time that is (far) in our future. The better news (for you) is that you already have a ticket, it is called a name. The good news (for me) is that this message will escape you and you are doomed to haunt threads that have the word "God" in the title forever, even after death. (word bitch deleted lol)
 

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Probably more involved than a Howdy Stranger. LOL
Strange flesh to me conjures up images of bestiality, human/alien and human/angel sex. Human sex has always been an either/or gender thing. The homosexual tag was created by homophobes who are afraid of their own sexuality and are probably closet queens.

If god created everything, then he created people who prefer their own sex. People who believe god is perfect and then say that something is wrong with anything in creation, are saying god phuked up. If I were them, I would be looking over my shoulder for the hand of retribution. God ain't goin to be happy wicha. Nope... DUCK!!!!!
 

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" but I think those that believe"
key words, I think, you yourself know nothing is absolute. A tangent calling a tangent impossible, I'd say get a grip but you are probably past that point of recovery.
 

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No, that's not true. Most of your posts that I've read are quite comprehensible, you're certainly neither stupid nor ignorant. What you are is simply wrong.
Thread..topic..gays vs God..opinion..cum on Dex spit it out.

Should have left it as (just) wrong, putting the simple in front negates any sympathy for your inability to contact God. Maybe He thinks you can be a prick at times also.
 
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