I've always been in favour of "motherhood" courses and community based suport groups for moms and dads who aren't knowledgable and those who "think" they are so facts are known to women and their mates not "old wives tales and myths".
It seems odd that alcohol use is subject to discussion on where we place the bar of acceptable standards of consumption by infants. I don't really know what to say to you on that Unf, if you think there's wiggle room there, then I've gotta wonder just where YOU would place the bar.
I was generalizing in my comment - I don't know the specifics of the case, I'm simply observing that it seems pretty obvious that this is an avoidable type of harm - and the benefit to risk ratio doesn't quite pan out in favour of the child imo, so therefore it should be avoided.
no one being a perfect parent, you're right. It's impossible - that doesn't mean we shouldn't do the best job we can. When it comes to alcohol abuse with children, we know a hell of a lot more about the harmful effects than we did 20 years ago - so what's the point of acquiring knowledge about what's harmful for us and what isn't if we aren't going to apply that knowledge?
That's a far cry from swathing a kid in bubble wrap and shielding them from all types of harm that can occur in the course of everyday life. Making the leap into the realm of the ridiculous for the sake of argument seems like an illogical direction to take here...
Now this, you might be right about. I don't think my original comment in any way advocated for this mother to lose custody of her children, nor acquire a record. I simply felt that the comment that feeding a baby booze is different than assault doesn't make sense. Harm is harm. How that harm is delivered still seems like a strange distinction to make.
How close of attention did you pay to sugar or caffeine intake during that time?
What is more dangerous to an infant? A drunk woman's milk or one who just ate a cake?
Nothing odd about discussion on a discussion board Zanamaniac.
That's assault. That's different.
I've no idea, and this (following) occurred about 40yrs ago...but my Mother
was told by her Doctor to drink a beer a day (& she hated the stuff) in order
to increase here milk production while breast feeding.
That's their job, Karrie. lol My Dad says that the mainstream newsmedia now is on about the same level as media like the National Enquirer used to be when he was young. Sensationalism sells.I think most moms always knew if it had alcohol in it. When it still had booze in it was around the same time that people would dip soothers in whiskey for baby's sore gums. Gripe water here now has all the active ingredients it did before, minus the alcohol. My kids used it.
Many moms pour gravol, baby tylenol, and a host of other chemicals into their kids on a regular basis. A bit of alcohol in gripe water, or a drink in breastmilk isn't a huge issue.
The silliness is people buying into the media hype that claims that breastfeeding is all that's at issue in this case. They want to rile people up, sell the story, make it as sensational and infuriating as possible.
An entire cake?How close of attention did you pay to sugar or caffeine intake during that time?
What is more dangerous to an infant? A drunk woman's milk or one who just ate a cake?
Yeah. Reliable knowledge is definitely beneficial.I've always been in favour of "motherhood" courses and community based suport groups for moms and dads who aren't knowledgable and those who "think" they are so facts are known to women and their mates not "old wives tales and myths".
Who says the police didn't/aren't investigating the bf? You seem to be making a lot of your own assumptions here, and then squawking at Karrie for posting her opinion.Well then allow me.
Mother Faces BWI Charge - April 28, 2009
Mother Faces BWI Charge - April 28, 2009
It's not even stated in the police report who called the police.
Nothing at all about having a problem getting the baby to the breast.
According to the police report, they thought she was drunk and though there isn't any clinical evidence to go on, they called the local hospital, talked to someone who works the graveyard shift who said after the police also told them about her prescription medication, to transport the baby to the hospital. No word on how the baby is.
They then charged her with criminal neglect for nothing other than breast feeding while she was what they considered drunk.
As for pleading guilty, the police over looked the knee to the chin and the smack in the face that the boy friend did and went whole hog on busting her for breast feeding her newborn at 4 in the morning. Nice that they managed to get her to plead to a lesser charge and not get listed as a danger to children.
It doesn't matter what oped pieces say, it's what in the police report that counts. And there is nothing in there showing her blood alcohol level was normal or not.
I submit that if she had a lawyer handy and the money to pay for it, she would have been out of jail before lunch time.
Nope I smell a rat here and I bet it's a pal on the police dept.
It was gross stupidity if she was drunk. Definitely neglectful.Nothing odd about discussion on a discussion board Zanamaniac.
Booze and kids, why not. :lol:
There is alcohol in all sorts of stuff, some made for babies. Most of us babyboomers had plenty while growing up for cough due to cold to mouthwash to zit remidies.
I don't seen any evidence that it put us in mortal danger. Now it's that some percentage might be in breast milk that we need to arrest mothers, haul the kiddies off to the emergency room just to be on the safe side.
It's not that someone is giving babies shots of hard liquor, no one advocates that here I'm sure. But that a mother gets three sheets to the wind if that is in fact the case, and has to feed her baby. We know that the baby didn't die because she got the baby back. Fact is she was taking care of her baby and tried to feed it that got the police all up in arms due only to their opinion.
Perhaps you should do a little research, Mr.Remember there isn't any clinical evidence showing the affects of alcohol in breast milk ingested by babies...............
Funny. The same thought just occurred to me. lolthat's right, I'm a maniac ... A MANIAC I tells ya!....so don't cross me! especially when I'm generalizing! :lol:
I'll try to get back on line later and see if I can make more sense of your post. First skim through has me shakin' my head thinking surely to gawd Unf is just bored out of his skull and needs to shake things up a l'il... ;-)
Apparently if attention is brought upon their activities. BTW, shaking a kid is quite possibly child endangerment. People can have effects of whiplash show up months after the fact. A swat on the behind is a bit different than shaking a child.I know lot's of people that spank their kids and none have been arrested....and shaking a baby is only a crime if it harms the baby. Either one may or may not be assault so how are they different?
It also makes people better looking and more brave. lolWell, alcohol does increase pregnancy so it follows naturally that it would increase milk production.
that's right, I'm a maniac ... A MANIAC I tells ya!....so don't cross me! especially when I'm generalizing! :lol:
I'll try to get back on line later and see if I can make more sense of your post. First skim through has me shakin' my head thinking surely to gawd Unf is just bored out of his skull and needs to shake things up a l'il... ;-)
Who says the police didn't/aren't investigating the bf? You seem to be making a lot of your own assumptions here, and then squawking at Karrie for posting her opinion.