It's A Great Day For the West

Cannuck

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One of the things that annoys me most about Maritime whine is that there are ways to help themselves but they can't or won't look at them. Instead, they complain about what the rest of the Country is or isn't doing.

A perfect example would be the size of government. For just over 2.3 million people, they have 181 legislative members and four bureaucracies with close to 100,000 public servants, many providing duplicate services.

If Maritimers really wanted to help themselves, they could start by amalgamating the four provinces into one and cut the cost of managing their affairs by a significant amount. Of course, that'll never happen. There are far too many feeble excuses why it can't and it's easier to whine than it is to git er done.
 

pegger

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One of the things that annoys me most about Maritime whine is that there are ways to help themselves but they can't or won't look at them. Instead, they complain about what the rest of the Country is or isn't doing.

sounds like Alberta! (well, not the "won't help themselves" - but the "complaining part"...)

Well - to be honest - sounds like EVERY part of the country.

A perfect example would be the size of government. For just over 2.3 million people, they have 181 legislative members and four bureaucracies with close to 100,000 public servants, many providing duplicate services.

If Maritimers really wanted to help themselves, they could start by amalgamating the four provinces into one and cut the cost of managing their affairs by a significant amount. Of course, that'll never happen. There are far too many feeble excuses why it can't and it's easier to whine than it is to git er done.

I completely agree with this.

However, you could also throw in Saskatchewan and Manitoba as the same - population of 2.2 Million (or so) with combined MLAs of 115...but that would never happen either.
 

mt_pockets1000

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Cannuck, your obvious disregard and hatred for eastern Canada is smelling up the air around here. Have you been reading Harpers manifesto again? Hell no we won't be giving up any jobs in the maritimes. They're scarcer than hens teeth as it is.
 

Cannuck

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However, you could also throw in Saskatchewan and Manitoba as the same - population of 2.2 Million (or so) with combined MLAs of 115...but that would never happen either.

Yup, it should. The one difference would be the size. The distance between Uranium city and Winnipeg would be problematic. Heck even the folks in Northern Ontario have been complaining about the distances to TO and there have been rumblings about splitting and joining Manitoba.

Northern Ontario - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Secession movement





More recently, however, such concerns have resurfaced as some residents of the city of Kenora have called for the city or the wider region to secede from Ontario and join Manitoba.[2] A few residents throughout the region continue to suggest splitting all or part of the region into a separate province. The latter movement, known as the Northern Ontario Secession Movement, has begun to attract attention and support; most notably by the mayors of Kenora and Fort Frances. The crisis in the Ontario forest industry, and the perceived inaction by the provincial government, has in particular spurred support for the idea of secession. In particular, many residents feel that the industrial energy rate is too high to allow the industry to remain competitive. These concerns have been given particular voice by Howard Hampton. Additionally, media coverage, though rarely in favour of secession, has begun to highlight the problems and frustrations faced by the north. Most recently, the Toronto Star, a major daily, ran a front page story on the issue.
Similarly, Sudbury's Northern Life community newspaper has published a number of editorials in recent years calling on the province to create a new level of supraregional government that would give the Northern Ontario region significantly more autonomy over its own affairs within the province.[3]"
 

Cannuck

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I'm familiar with Fortis. They serve this area....horribly incompetent btw. They are so bad, I long for the days of Alberta Power.
 

Cannuck

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You're denying your hatred for the east wingnut?

I love the east. Travel extensively, have family there, owned an apple orchard in Burton, New Brunswick and would love to retire there someday...if they can get their collective heads out of their arses.
 

mt_pockets1000

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The OP on this thread is an obvious attempt to disrupt and divide. Just like Harper's agenda.

Has anyone from the east noticed a large exodus to the west since the NDP gained power in Nova Scotia? I don't think so. Newfoundland has turned the tide and witnessed an influx of people over the past year. Mainly due to the downturn in the Alberta oil patch. Unless companies learn to pay the workers comparable wages, we will see those people leave again when things pick up. But it won't be because the NDP are in power. They will leave once again to feed their families and make a decent life for themselves.
 

TenPenny

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I doubt that any people will leave NS due to the NDP - they did elect a bunch of NDP members federally.

If ValeInco would ever get off their butts, there would be more employment for NL'ers. Hopefully, not too much of the work will be done in BC>
 

pegger

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Yup, it should. The one difference would be the size. The distance between Uranium city and Winnipeg would be problematic. Heck even the folks in Northern Ontario have been complaining about the distances to TO and there have been rumblings about splitting and joining Manitoba.

The difference between Ontario and Sask/Man. is Sask/Man is practically empty. Heck Manitoba has a pop of 1.2 million - with 800 K living in Winnipeg. Manitoba is essentially empty wilderness. At least Saskatchewan is spread out more evenly... Also, the primary industries across the 2 provinces are resource based.

The Ontario issue is more centered around the fact that Southern Ontario and Toronto are urban/manufacturing and Northern Ontario is wilderness/rural/resource based. It's more than just distance dividing the two.
 

DichotoMe

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Cannuk, I see you've been reading the AIMS website: http://www.aims.ca/default.asp

Merging Atlantic Canada a tax boon?
Telegraph Journal • By Joshua Errett • Dated: 30/3/07

Municipal amalgamations, for instance, have never realized huge savings," Cirtwill says. "And the vast majority of the staff are on the ground delivering services. You're still going to see education branch officers, hospital and health board staff. The only thing you'll get rid of is three sets of ministers, three sets of ministerial staff, and maybe some policy branches. "The core cost-drivers are still going to be there."

I don't totally disagree with this idea. It would stop a lot of inter provincial bickering around here. Although, I am not yet totally convinced that it would be major benefit, I am willing to explore the idea. Remember what I've said about our aging population and trying to fight governments that cater to that demographic. The trouble is convincing a majority of the people that we've been doing a lot of things the wrong way all along. With that said, you are correct that there are many things we could do.
 

TenPenny

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This story tells me work has already begun on the hydromet plant in Long Harbour. What's the deal with BC? Is some of the work happening there? I'm sure some of the engineering work will be done off the island.

As for work on the eastcoast, we're not too concerned at the moment.

I think about the only work being done right now is site prep (bulldozing etc).

Fluor is doing the engineering work out of their office in BC.