Another Hypocrite Bites Dust!!!

[SirJosephPorter]

No surprise here... Democrats are doing what they have always done, act hypocritical.

That is only your opinion, EagleSmack; you have nothing to support it.

"What Clinton does is his own business!"

But when the GOP screws up the Democrats sing it from the mountains claiming hypocrisy as they act hypocritical.

Why, certainly. Clinton was not being hypocritical; he did not call upon anybody to resign because of adultery. Ensign was being totally hypocritical.

I can ring them off as well! Heck my state is full of corrupt liberal Democrats.

We are talking about hypocrites, EagleSmack, not corrupt politicians. As for corruption, I am sure there are as many corrupt Republicans as there are Democrats. But hypocrites tend to be mostly conservatives, mostly Republican.

 

[JLM]

No surprise here... Democrats are doing what they have always done, act hypocritical.

That is only your opinion, EagleSmack; you have nothing to support it.

"What Clinton does is his own business!"

But when the GOP screws up the Democrats sing it from the mountains claiming hypocrisy as they act hypocritical.

Why, certainly. Clinton was not being hypocritical; he did not call upon anybody to resign because of adultery. Ensign was being totally hypocritical.

I can ring them off as well! Heck my state is full of corrupt liberal Democrats.

We are talking about hypocrites, EagleSmack, not corrupt politicians. As for corruption, I am sure there are as many corrupt Republicans as there are Democrats. But hypocrites tend to be mostly conservatives, mostly Republican.

S.J. I'm just wondering if you are typical of folks who live in eastern Canada? Like this incessant obsession with politics (and even American yet) that is 10-20 years old and the connection between political parties and other eccentricities. I know hundreds of people but couldn't tell you what their politiccal philosophies are or the weird habits they may have. Out here we get to vote for one thing or another about 3 or 4 times every 3 or 4 years, otherwise we are not obsessed with it.

 

[TenPenny]

S.J. I'm just wondering if you are typical of folks who live in eastern Canada?

Absolutely not. Don't even go there.

 

[EagleSmack]

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You are begin dishonest here, EagleSmack. Nobody is trying to shut down Talk Radio. That is a bogeyman raised by the far right in order to raise money. Such talk of conspiracy theories (Obama is an illegal Muslim, or that liberals are going to shut down talk ratio etc.) plays well with the far right base, and helps them raise money. Thee is no hypocrisy here.

You are being quite bizzare. The Fairness Doctrine by the Liberals is a direct attack on Talk Radio as talk radio is dominated by conservative talk show hosts. The liberals want to force stations to put liberal hosts on so as John Kerry put...

"to get our message out."

...as if they don't get their message out on every other news media that are liberal dominated. Liberals have yet to crack into talk radio because liberal talk show hosts fail. So if the liberal host cannot succeed they want to force radio stations to keep them on the air.

Examples of liberal hypocrisy, while they exist, are difficult to find.

They are VERY easy to find...very easy.

 

[EagleSmack]

No surprise here... Democrats are doing what they have always done, act hypocritical.

That is only your opinion, EagleSmack; you have nothing to support it.

How about Al Gore and Global Warming? There is nothing more hypocritical than wealthy liberals and global warming.

How about Kennedy and alternative energy?

Teddy and his clan are all about alternative energy until Cape Winds came about and decided to put a wind farm 2 miles off Hyannis where the Kennedy's yacht and sail in the summer. Now suddenly alternative energy is not a good idea...at least not in their playground.

"What Clinton does is his own business!"

But when the GOP screws up the Democrats sing it from the mountains claiming hypocrisy as they act hypocritical.

Why, certainly. Clinton was not being hypocritical; he did not call upon anybody to resign because of adultery. Ensign was being totally hypocritical.

Failing to comprehend again Joey?

Did I say Clinton said anything?

Read it again...slowly this time.

I can ring them off as well! Heck my state is full of corrupt liberal Democrats.

We are talking about hypocrites, EagleSmack, not corrupt politicians. As for corruption, I am sure there are as many corrupt Republicans as there are Democrats. But hypocrites tend to be mostly conservatives, mostly Republican.

Right...hypocrits... liberals who talk of helping the needy while raiding the money box...hypocritical.

 

[YukonJack]

"Now let me get this straight, Yukon. This is very interesting. So ensign criticizes Clinton for committing adultery and asks him to resign. A few years after that Ensign himself commits adultery, but refuses to resign. And Ensign is not guilty of hypocrisy?"

SirJosephPorter, both you and your pupil TenthofaPenny refuse to come to terms with the fact that when Ensign criticized Clinton of an affair, he WAS AT THAT TIME, in 1998, perfectly faithful to his wife. I challenge both of you to prove otherwise.

So, if he was innocent of unfaithfulness, had perfect right to criticize someone (Clinton) who was not.

If he did that today, now that is known that he committed adultery, criticizing anyone for the same WOULD BE hypocrisy. But in 1998, it was NOT!

Only to a blind idiot, or a liberal (pardon the redundancy) is this a "minute to minute" kind of change.

And let us face it: Ensign had the integrity and honesty to resign. So did many other REpublicans in similar situations. NO DEMOCRAT EVER DID in similar circumstances. That alone proves who the biggest hypocrits are. Or the ones with total lack of honesty and integrity.

 

[TenPenny]

"Now let me get this straight, Yukon. This is very interesting. So ensign criticizes Clinton for committing adultery and asks him to resign. A few years after that Ensign himself commits adultery, but refuses to resign. And Ensign is not guilty of hypocrisy?"

SirJosephPorter, both you and your pupil TenthofaPenny refuse to come to terms with the fact that when Ensign criticized Clinton of an affair, he WAS AT THAT TIME, in 1998, perfectly faithful to his wife. I challenge both of you to prove otherwise.

So, if he was innocent of unfaithfulness, had perfect right to criticize someone (Clinton) who was not.

Funny how timelines work both ways.

Now that he is guilty of the same behaviour that he critized in others, he is a hypocrite. It's the same thing, in the reverse order.

Feel free to come up with other clever insults, YuCanJackOff.

 

[Cliffy]

Jack,

If you were having an extra marital tryst, would you admit it if you were not caught with your pants down. There may be no proof yet that he didn't have an affair at the same time Clinton did just as there is no proof he did. Just because he hasn't been exposed yet, does not mean that he didn't.

Having said that, nobody can say how wide spread the abuse of power is in Washington (or Ottawa) but humans being what they are, I would wager that the halls of government are awash in hanky panky since there is not much for them to do besides line their pockets with the cash of lobbyists. Morals are only for those who do not either have the money nor the position to engage their sexual preferences.

Anybody who thinks all politicians don't lie through their teeth are delusional. Dems, republican, conservatives, liberals and socialists are all in it for the money, power and free sex. None are any more moral than any other. This argument is just childish. They are all the same.

 

[TenPenny]

Anybody who thinks all politicians don't lie through their teeth are delusional. Dems, republican, conservatives, liberals and socialists are all in it for the money, power and free sex. None are any more moral than any other. This argument is just childish. They are all the same.

That's why, many posts ago, I said that it's people in general who are hypocrites, not just Republicans, or Democrats.

It has nothing to do with political stripes, it's very common to have the 'do as I say, not as I do' attitude - whether it's a police officer breaking traffic laws, or a priest behaving immoraly, whatever.

 

[YukonJack]

Response to #88.

Cliffy, thanks for being for so objective.

I never said that Ensign was innocent of adultery in 1998, when he criticezed Clinton of same. All I said that lacking proof otherwise he stands clean of infidelity, hence, hypocrisy. Go ahead dig up some dirt and prove that Ensign was unfaithful to his wife in 1998 while criticising Clinton, I will admit, unquestioningly that was then and he is now a HYPOPCRIT.

I make no moral judgement over anyone since those over whom I might make that statement are adults, perfectly capable of defending themselves. The only exception I make is the case of abortion. To you and those like you that blob the abortion butcher discards may be just a bit of dead flesh, to me that is a potential human being who can not speak for himself/herself. I will be proud to stand up on their behalf, anytime.

 

[JLM]

Jack,

If you were having an extra marital tryst, would you admit it if you were not caught with your pants down. There may be no proof yet that he didn't have an affair at the same time Clinton did just as there is no proof he did. Just because he hasn't been exposed yet, does not mean that he didn't.

Having said that, nobody can say how wide spread the abuse of power is in Washington (or Ottawa) but humans being what they are, I would wager that the halls of government are awash in hanky panky since there is not much for them to do besides line their pockets with the cash of lobbyists. Morals are only for those who do not either have the money nor the position to engage their sexual preferences.

Anybody who thinks all politicians don't lie through their teeth are delusional. Dems, republican, conservatives, liberals and socialists are all in it for the money, power and free sex. None are any more moral than any other. This argument is just childish. They are all the same.

Now if you can just get S.J. to believe that!:lol::lol: Anyway, Cliff, no true words were every spoken.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

S.J. I'm just wondering if you are typical of folks who live in eastern Canada?

I would say so JLM, pretty much. Either one likes to discuss politics and religion or one doesn’t. They are great subjects for discussion.

I know hundreds of people but couldn't tell you what their political philosophies are or the weird habits they may have.

That is easy, JLM. If they are form Alberta, most of them are dyed in the wool, card carrying Harper acolytes, most of them are conservatives. If they are in BC, I would imagine many of them are conservatives (though obviously not as many as in Alberta).

In Ontario now, they come in all stripes. We have had Liberal, Conservative and NDP governments in recent memory.

Out here we get to vote for one thing or another about 3 or 4 times every 3 or 4 years, otherwise we are not obsessed with it.

Certainly not, JLM, most of them agree on the Conservative Party. If you are in agreement, what is there to talk about?

The difference between East and west is that in the east, there are many political parties. We have Liberals, Conservatives, NDP, the Bloc etc. In the west, the Conservative party dominates. So I assume there is not much to discuss when it comes to politics.

Even here you may have noticed, many of the posters from Alberta are Conservative.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You are being quite bizzare. The Fairness Doctrine by the Liberals is a direct attack on Talk Radio as talk radio is dominated by conservative talk show hosts.

You are being bizarre, EagleSmack. What fairness doctrine? When was it passed? Is there even a bill before the House or the Senate? I don’t think so. Some Democrats may be talking about it, but that is the extent of it.

Fairness Doctrine doesn’t have a snowball's chance in Hell of passing. Republicans will filibuster it to death. Talk Radio is the Republican life blood, and there is no way they will let it go under.

When you talk of Fairness Doctrine, you join the conspiracy theorists, who claim that Obama is not a citizen of USA, and must be imprisoned for breaking the law and deported to Kenya or Indonesia.

I think you have been listening to extreme right propaganda a bit too much.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

They are VERY easy to find...very easy.

To you, perhaps, but not to people at large.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Right...hypocrits... liberals who talk of helping the needy while raiding the money box...hypocritical.

That is an example of a corrupt politician, EagleSmack, and there are plenty of those in the Republican Party as well, Tom Delay being the most prominent example. Indeed, corruption was one of the main reasons why Republicans lost in 2006. But I don’t see where the hypocrisy comes in.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

If he did that today, now that is known that he committed adultery, criticizing anyone for the same WOULD BE hypocrisy. But in 1998, it was NOT!

Well, that really goes to show that you don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy, Yukon Jack. And you are not alone; many conservatives have a problem with the concept of hypocrisy.

If Ensign felt that strongly about adultery, one he should not have committed it. Two, if caught, he should have resigned.

And let us face it: Ensign had the integrity and honesty to resign.

Ensign has NOT resigned. He has only resigned from some chairmanship of some Republican committee. He is still the senator form Nevada. And considering that Nevada is a solidly Republican state, I assume he will easily win reelection in 2014.

So did many other Republicans in similar situations. NO DEMOCRAT EVER DID in similar circumstances.

Sorry Yukon, but give me even one example where a Republican resigned after his hypocrisy was exposed. I cannot think of even one. Larry ‘wide stance’ Craig is still a Senator (and I assume a shoe in for reelection, since Idaho is also a solidly Republican state).

Gingrich resigned, not because he had an affair with his intern (while his wife was ill in the hospital), but because of the disastrous election results in 1998. Being second mid term of the sitting president, Republican should have gained 25 to 30 house seats, 5 to 10 Senate seats (like Democrats did in 2006), Instead of that they lost seats in the House. That prompted Gingrich’s resignation, not his affair with his intern.

Tom Delay was indicted by a grand jury. Still he didn’t want to resign. Republican had a rule stating that a Republican house member who is indicted must give up his chairmanships. But they tried to change the rules specifically so that Delay won’t have to resign.

As I said, I cannot think of a single Republican who resigned because his hypocrisy was exposed.

 

[EagleSmack]

Right...hypocrits... liberals who talk of helping the needy while raiding the money box...hypocritical.

That is an example of a corrupt politician, EagleSmack, and there are plenty of those in the Republican Party as well, Tom Delay being the most prominent example. Indeed, corruption was one of the main reasons why Republicans lost in 2006. But I don’t see where the hypocrisy comes in.

Of course you don't. I don't expect you to see hypocricy in ANY Democrat that says he is for the needy yet does his best to steal and line his pockets for his own greed. I don't expect YOU to see the hypocricy in that.

You adore American Democrats. YOU a Canadian have an absolute love affair for American Dems and Liberals.

 

[EagleSmack]

You are being quite bizzare. The Fairness Doctrine by the Liberals is a direct attack on Talk Radio as talk radio is dominated by conservative talk show hosts.

You are being bizarre, EagleSmack. What fairness doctrine? When was it passed? Is there even a bill before the House or the Senate? I don’t think so. Some Democrats may be talking about it, but that is the extent of it.

It hasn't passed but they are sure trying to get it up there except that there are some Democrats that see this as a violation of Free Speech. Pelosi has always said she wants the Fairness Doctrine.

Fairness Doctrine doesn’t have a snowball's chance in Hell of passing. Republicans will filibuster it to death. Talk Radio is the Republican life blood, and there is no way they will let it go under.

You're right it doesn't because it is against the Constitution but the Dems are sure trying.

It is the only way Conservatism gets heard because the print media and networks are dominated by the left and liberals.

When you talk of Fairness Doctrine, you join the conspiracy theorists, who claim that Obama is not a citizen of USA, and must be imprisoned for breaking the law and deported to Kenya or Indonesia.

When you say silly things like this you join the Quandry and Logic 7s of the world.

What does one have to do with the other?

Do you realize how stupid that sounds? By talking of the fairness doctrine automatically makes me one who believes Obama should be deported to Indonesia.

What a pathetic stretch.

I think you have been listening to extreme right propaganda a bit too much.

This is for Cliffy as much as you...

YAAAAAAWN

 

[EagleSmack]

To you, perhaps, but not to people at large.

Oh yeah? Have you seen the Democrat Congress approval ratings?

 

[EagleSmack]

Now if you can just get S.J. to believe that!:lol::lol: Anyway, Cliff, no true words were every spoken.

Good luck.