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Types of Plasmas
 
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Pseudoskepticism - (The Plasma Universe Wikipedia-like Encyclopedia)

Characteristics of pseudoskeptics

The first extensive analysis of the term pseudoskepticism was conducted by Marcello Truzzi, Professor of Sociology at Eastern Michigan University, who in 1987 claimed that pseudoskeptics show the following characteristics:

  • The tendency to deny, rather than doubt,[2]
  • Double standards in the application of criticism, [3]
  • The making of judgements without full inquiry,[4]
  • Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate,[5]
  • Use of ridicule or ad hominem attacks,[6]
  • Presenting insufficient evidence or proof, [7]
  • Pejorative labelling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.' [8]
  • Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof, [9]
  • Making unsubstantiated counter-claims,[10]
  • Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence,[11]
  • Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it,[12]
  • Tendency to dismiss all evidence, [13]
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#juan said:
Exactly. DB wants to make lava a form of plasma to strengthen his ideas on the "electric Universe". I'm not a physicist but that goes against everything I've ever learned.
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You can supposedly make a plasma out of a grape in the microwave. I don't know for certain because I haven't looked into if the grape becomes genuinely de-ionized, but supposedly it does.

Anyways, you don't need to be a physicist to realize that we wouldn't make up a second word for liquid. Lava is just that, a liquid.
 
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Niflmir said:
You can supposedly make a plasma out of a grape in the microwave. I don't know for certain because I haven't looked into if the grape becomes genuinely de-ionized, but supposedly it does.

Anyways, you don't need to be a physicist to realize that we wouldn't make up a second word for liquid. Lava is just that, a liquid.
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My neighbor was eating a beef sandwich along with a bunch of grapes. He had eaten the first half of the sandwich when he decided that the second half needed reheating in the microwave. A few grapes inadvertently made it into the microwave with the sandwich. I don't know if I would call them ionized but they did pop and coat the inside of the microwave with sticky stuff that was more like jam than plasma...;-):lol:
 
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#juan said:
My neighbor was eating a beef sandwich along with a bunch of grapes. He had eaten the first half of the sandwich when he decided that the second half needed reheating in the microwave. A few grapes inadvertently made it into the microwave with the sandwich. I don't know if I would call them ionized but they did pop and coat the inside of the microwave with sticky stuff that was more like jam than plasma...;-):lol:
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From the videos I've seen (I have never tried it in my own microwave) you need to cover the grape with a glass to contain the plasma as it rises up in the air. It ends up looking like a crackling ball of electricity is why I am willing to grant it is likely a plasma. I believe you can do something similar with a lit match in the microwave.
 
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From the videos I've seen (I have never tried it in my own microwave) you need to cover the grape with a glass to contain the plasma as it rises up in the air. It ends up looking like a crackling ball of electricity is why I am willing to grant it is likely a plasma. I believe you can do something similar with a lit match in the microwave.
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Hmmm...We do have an old microwave that still works in the garage....I wonder if?.....Should the glass be pyrex?.....;-)
 
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Niflmir said:
From the videos I've seen (I have never tried it in my own microwave) you need to cover the grape with a glass to contain the plasma as it rises up in the air. It ends up looking like a crackling ball of electricity is why I am willing to grant it is likely a plasma. I believe you can do something similar with a lit match in the microwave.
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Here is a link to what you've been talking about:

YouTube - Grape Microwave Plasma
 
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#juan said:
The Electric Sky Short Circuited.


http://homepage.mac.com/cygnusx1/anomalies/ElectricSky_20080322.pdf
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Interesting read Juan. A little over my head as far as astrophysics go but it certainly dazzles the brain. Razzle dazzle em.

For the proponents of the electric universe it is certainly an uphill climb. They have to debunk existing thinking and provide a new path. This is not going to happen overnight. But as I read the piece I realized even today's thinking is still filled with unknowns.
 
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The big bang is the ultimate creation story. Everything came from god or alternativly the singularity in a big bang both are god fables. Take your pick niether goes anywhere but to Holly-Wood. Check your second link green fish it wouldn't work.
 
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darkbeaver said:
The big bang is the ultimate creation story. Everything came from god or alternativly the singularity in a big bang both are god fables. Take your pick niether goes anywhere but to Holly-Wood. Check your second link green fish it wouldn't work.
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Not really. There is room via quantum gravity for big bounce style universe histories, of course it is necessary for them to go through big bang phases. Although we start counting from a point in time which would correspond to a zero volume universe if we hold classical GR all the way, nobody actually believes that it is consistent to evolve backwards with GR through the Planck epoch.

The standard big bang picture refers to the stuff that happens after the first 10^-43 seconds, because before then our description is incomplete as we need a quantum gravity.

Hard atheists, like me, hold that there is likely something before then which we are currently unable to describe but will in the future.
 
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Niflmir said:
Not really. There is room via quantum gravity for big bounce style universe histories, of course it is necessary for them to go through big bang phases. Although we start counting from a point in time which would correspond to a zero volume universe if we hold classical GR all the way, nobody actually believes that it is consistent to evolve backwards with GR through the Planck epoch.

The standard big bang picture refers to the stuff that happens after the first 10^-43 seconds, because before then our description is incomplete as we need a quantum gravity.

Hard atheists, like me, hold that there is likely something before then which we are currently unable to describe but will in the future.
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Some say that if you believe in the big bang you cannot possibly be an atheist, god is numerously described as a singularity, the well of everything eh. So I'm an ignorant savage who could not, no matter how much I tried, distinguish the slightest difference between the two hypothosis, and still can't even with the mountains of elaboration provided by finely educated people like yourself. I'm sorry I can't possibly entertain much serious conversation about something that can't exist not only because I'm illequiped to do so but most of all because I'm not blessed with your innocence, I'v been despoiled. Why is it not good enough to believe in infinity? Why do humans need a beginning to everything when the big wheel plainly dosen't have one? I know that's slightly religious. May God forgive me:smile:
 
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lone wolf said:
In how many kids will science win interest if they don't have catch phrases like Big Bang? Quantum Physics sounds a lot like something unpopular.
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I think that's an important question LW. Think of the big bang as fly paper for the unsuspecting student. If we taught the true catostrophic history of this planet children would have far greater interest in every subject, but as it is we bore them to stupifaction with sanitized histories of everything that serve only the interests of power and wealth and not profitable developement of our species
 
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