Aboriginal Cigarette Smuggling In Ontario-Quebec/USA

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The federal gov't can't seem to stop cigarette smuggling and losing billions of dollars in Ontario and Quebec. Aboriginals are involved which is one reason why the federal gov't is reluctant to intervene.The location of the reserves is no secret, and they're not huge. But just hand wringing.

"Both communities also jealously guard what they consider their right as a sovereign people to freely cross borders and trade with whomever they want and not collect or pay taxes.
Police generally won't enter First Nations reserves without permission from the tribal council. To a degree, this has made some native communities a sanctuary for the activities of organized criminals seeking a safe haven for their contraband as well as a trans-border pipeline, say law enforcement officials."


The gov't of Canada is simply not exercing its sovereign rights here. There are not two bosses in Canada, only one. Yet there are two classes of people in Canada when it comes to law enforcement. The law in Canada is very political.




Mohawks, gangs and tobacco

Mohawks, gangs and tobacco


By William Marsden, The Gazette, Montreal
April 28, 2009

This story is a Gazette collaboration with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, a project of the Centre for Public Integrity, Washington, D.C This story is part of the centre's project called Tobacco Underground: The booming global trade in smuggled tobacco.


Gary Godelie has been a tobacco farmer most of his life, struggling to keep alive a family farm that produces what most everyone agrees is a death crop. Whacked by global competition undercutting his prices, not to mention a dwindling number of Canadian smokers, he often thinks of getting out of the business.


Nothing brought this thought home more clearly than a series of events that began one hot July day in 2006, when two men drove up to his southern Ontario farm near Delhi and offered to buy his entire crop. That surprised Godelie, because anybody in the tobacco business would know that Canadian growers are part of a tightly regulated quota system. Buyers have to be federally licensed and can buy only through the marketing board.


"I said, 'Well, no. I can't sell you tobacco. I have to sell it to the legal system,' " Godelie recalled. "They kind of looked at me and laughed and like said, 'Why would you want to do that when we're offering you cash money, a deal here, you know?' " 'Well, no, I'm not going to do that kind of stuff.' " The two men drove off and Godelie thought that was the end of it.


A few days later, he had to fetch some irrigation equipment from a barn where he had stacked 169 bales that were over quota from the previous year's tobacco crop. He hoped to sell the surplus bales at auction that winter as part of the current year's quota. The first clue something was wrong came when he saw his hydraulic forklift sitting on the hood of his tractor. His first thought was to blame his son-in-law. But then he thought, that wasn't typical, his son-in-law wouldn't have done something like that. He switched on the light.


"I stood there kind of flabbergasted for a minute and then I scanned over the stacks and then it hit me: Oh no, they had cleaned out the barn completely." It had rained the previous night so Godelie hadn't gone out to irrigate. That was the night they nailed him. He said he figured that at 40 pounds a bale, it took them maybe 20 minutes to clean him out.


"They stole all 169 bales, which is 8,000 pounds. It takes about 1.9 pounds to make 1,000 cigarettes. That's more than 4 million cigarettes. That's pretty significant. Now we're talking some serious coin. For me, it was about a $20,000 loss." It wasn't long before Godelie began hearing about other tobacco farmers in his area getting hit. The thefts became so widespread that farmers began installing security systems, barring barn windows and parking disabled tractors in front of their barn doors. But to little effect.
"Now they are so brazen they take chainsaws and they cut the side walls out of the barn," said Linda Vandendriessche, chairperson of the Ontario Flue-Cured Tobacco Growers' Marketing Board and herself a tobacco farmer.
"It's no joke. You will not believe the intimidation that is going on with our farmers." A Runaway Black Market The thefts are the result of a new brand of tobacco smuggling, one that has flooded the Canadian market with contraband cigarettes and cigarillos made not by brand companies - as was the case with tobacco smuggling in the 1990s - but by clandestine manufacturers on Indian reserves here and in the United States.
Over the last six years, as federal and provincial governments hiked tobacco taxes to curb smoking and raise funds, the smuggling business has grown "exponentially," the RCMP say.
At a time when a crumbling economy has forced governments into deficit financing, smugglers - and in some cases their mob partners - are pocketing hundreds of millions of dollars in profits. The cheap cigarettes not only fuel the spread of smoking, which costs Canadian taxpayers about $4.36 billion annually in health care, but also rob governments of money that otherwise would go into official coffers to pay for services including health care. The federal, Quebec and Ontario governments claim the proliferation of contraband cigarettes - untaxed cigarettes either smuggled into Canada from the U.S. or produced by unlicensed manufacturers on Canadian reserves and sold throughout the country - is costing them at least $1.6 billion a year in lost taxes.
The size of this black market is huge, conservatively estimated at $1.3 billion in Canada alone, with profit margins rivalling those of narcotics. Both industry and government studies indicate that, across the country, two to three cigarettes of every 10 sold are contraband. In Ontario and Quebec, the figure climbs as high as 40 per cent, according to the latest report from Physicians for a Smoke-Free Canada.
"We're making more cigarettes than Imperial Tobacco (Canada's leading tobacco company)," boasted one Mohawk smuggler.
Seizures of contraband
tobacco in Canada jumped
16-fold between 2001 and 2006, according to the RCMP. The off-the-books smokes range from independently-produced cigarettes sold in plastic bags to expertly counterfeited packs of leading brands. In some cases, cheap Indian brands have become so popular that rival illicit manufacturers are counterfeiting them.
So vast are the profits and so poorly are the laws enforced that the contraband tobacco industry has attracted an unholy alliance of Mohawks - from Akwesasne, Kahnawake and Kanesatake - and members of organized crime. Outlaw bikers and Italian, Irish, Russian and Asian mobs are involved in the manufacturing, distribution and retailing of the illicit tobacco products, according to an investigation by The Gazette and the Centre for Public Integrity in Washington, D.C.
"Everybody knows we do have organized crime here," Kahnawake Chief Rhonda Kirby said. In fact, some smoke shop owners want to get out of the business, she added, but have been forced by the gangs to stay put. "The mob is involved with some of the individuals, the Mafia and the Irish mob and the Russian mob and the Chinese mob."
At the centre of the tobacco trade are about 20 native-owned manufacturers that produce millions of untaxed and unregulated cigarettes a day out of small and medium-size factories at Indian reserves in Ontario, Quebec and across the border in New York State.
In some cases, the capital to buy the equipment and set up operations has been fronted by organized crime, Indian smugglers and police say. Recent joint U.S.-Canadian police investigations indicate that drug money has been used to finance the tobacco business. Tobacco profits are then used to buy cocaine and marijuana, which are smuggled across the border using the same networks as the tobacco. Large cash seizures are common at the border and along Highway 401, which has become a smuggler's pipeline to Montreal and Toronto.
This month, the RCMP arrested two Hells Angels from Quebec City and two Mohawks from Kahnawake, as well as 18 others, and charged them with trafficking in cigarettes and an array of drugs including methamphetamines, cocaine and marijuana. They also seized $75,000 in cash. In March 2008, native peacekeepers in Akwesasne, Kahnawake and Kanesatake seized about $2 million in cash after raiding a cigarette/marijuana smuggling operation. In just two seizures on Nov. 17 and Dec. 7 last year, Canadian Border Services agents seized $636,467 in U.S. and Canadian funds hidden in vehicles driven by Mohawks from Akwesasne, which straddles the border between Ontario, Quebec and New York and has long been used to smuggle goods between the U.S. and Canada. In addition, the RCMP on Feb. 19 seized $260,000 U.S. from a native driving from Akwesasne to Quebec. Police believe the cash is linked to drug sales into the U.S.
Yet while police struggle to keep the contraband in check, the Canada Revenue Agency has been licensing some manufacturers in Akwesasne and Kahnawake, according to police and court documents. In one instance, it licensed a company in Akwesasne whose Mohawk owner was later charged with racketeering and marijuana smuggling into the U.S.
The Canada Revenue Agency refused to say to whom it gives licences and wouldn't comment on its licensing practices, saying they are confidential. One RCMP officer claimed the licensing potentially undermines their anti-tobacco strategy. "I was really surprised when we heard they had licensed some of these manufacturers," the officer said.
Made in Canada
While officials here have complained to their U.S. counterparts that most of the illegal cigarettes are produced on the U.S. side of the Akwesasne reserve, this is no longer true. According to Mohawk sources and visits to manufacturing plants, the operations have slowly shifted to Kahnawake.
Ironically, it was a major
tobacco company, Imperial Tobacco, that supplied Kahnawake with the reserve's first cigarette-making machines when it sold off surplus machines at its Montreal plant in 2003 and moved its operations to Mexico.
"They not only supplied the machines, but they came on the reserve and showed us how to work them and blend the tobacco," said one smuggler who spoke on condition that his name not be used. Imperial Tobacco admitted that it sold surplus machines to the Mohawks, but claimed the company later took them back. Only licensed companies can operate tobacco machines in Canada.
Some producers operate in clandestine warehouses and garages or makeshift shacks located along back roads on reserves. Others work out of sophisticated plants sporting reconditioned British-made cigarette machines known as Mark-9s, each capable of producing 3,500 to 5,000 cigarettes a minute.
The illicit operations have become important local employers for both natives and non-natives. Workers daily earn $100 to $150 in cash for bagging cigarettes and $175 to $200 a day for working the machines, several workers said.
In Kahnawake, which has a population of about 8,000, Kirby, who is responsible for the Mohawk reserve's tobacco industry, estimated that the business employs more than 2,000 people in manufacturing, distribution, wholesale and retail. Many of the workers are non-native.
"We have so many non-
native community members working here and then of course relationships start up, so now that's another problem," she said, referring to both Kahnawake and Akwesasne being traditional Mohawk communities that bar non-natives from living among them.


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Both communities also jealously guard what they consider their right as a sovereign people to freely cross borders and trade with whomever they want and not collect or pay taxes.
Police generally won't enter First Nations reserves without permission from the tribal council. To a degree, this has made some native communities a sanctuary for the activities of organized criminals seeking a safe haven for their contraband as well as a trans-border pipeline, say law enforcement officials.
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The smuggling of drugs, illegal aliens and guns, as well as the establishment of Internet gambling services, casinos and bingo halls, have all become contentious issues not only between aboriginals and non-aboriginals but also within the aboriginal communities.
Tobacco, however, is different. It's part of Mohawk ritualistic tradition, and Mohawks believe they have a right to trade this substance that pre-dates European colonization. What's more, it brings wealth to otherwise poor communities.
"The government's upset because we are punching out millions of cigarettes a day and, of course, he wants his piece of the pie," one contraband seller said. "If they come in, we'll close the bridge again," he added, referring to the barricading of the Mercier Bridge in 1990.
In the early 1990s, when tobacco smuggling on Indian reserves was at record levels, the product came from major manufacturers such as Imperial Tobacco, which is owned by British American Tobacco; RJR Macdonald, which at the time was owned by RJ Reynolds and is now owned by Japan Tobacco Inc.; and Rothmans Benson & Hedges. The RCMP effectively shut down that pipeline by charging RJR and its executives with aiding and abetting smuggling. Rothmans and Imperial paid $1.1 billion in fines and penalties to Canadian governments last year for their part in the early 1990s smuggling. RJR and some of its executives still face criminal charges.
With the major players out of the contraband game, the Indians have taken over and created a fully integrated business. The only part they don't control is tobacco farming.
alleged Gang ties
The success of native cigarettes, says tobacco farmer Godelie, reflects a sea change in market dynamics brought on by high taxes, which now make up about 75 per cent of the cost of a legal cigarette. "That really started to send a message to everyone in the world of tobacco that the consumer in Canada went from taste sensitive to price sensitive," he said.
But as Godelie learned three years ago, the tobacco business can sometimes be organized crime at a worrisome, reckless level. At the heart of it all is the 17-kilometre section of the U.S.-Canada border that runs through Akwesasne. It is a major security soft spot with marijuana and cocaine flowing south while tobacco and weapons come north. The fact that goods can pass from the Mohawk community of St. Regis on the U.S. side to Akwesasne on the Canadian side, and then enter non-native communities unchecked, poses a major problem for authorities.
When the St. Lawrence freezes, smugglers take a winter path across the ice between the two communities. When the ice melts, the speedboats come out.
In February of this year, U.S. police arrested 10 people, alleging they were part of one ring that smuggled 22,700 kilograms of marijuana through Akwesasne and into the U.S. from 2003 to January of this year. Among those arrested: two residents of Akwesasne, men from New York City and New Jersey, and an Israeli.
One of the accused is David Sunday, 37, who is charged with racketeering and running a "continuing criminal enterprise." Sunday owns a tobacco manufacturing company on the Canadian side of Akwesasne called Seven Nations Tobacco. On June 2, 2008, the Canada Revenue Agency awarded Sunday's company a tobacco manufacturing licence.
Last May a CRA official told Parliament that 14 licences of a total 46 in Canada are now held by natives. Licences have to be renewed after two years and a criminal background check is performed before a licence is handed out, the official said. The government will not say how many of these 14 licences are still good or whether more licences have been handed out since last May. These manufacturers also need provincial licences to allow them to transport their cigarettes, which, according to police, Quebec and Ontario have been reluctant to issue.
One prominent tobacco seller in Kahnawake, who calls himself Splicer, doesn't agree with law enforcement on much, but he says he does agree with the RCMP on one thing: The mob has infiltrated the illicit tobacco business. "I agree with them 100 per cent that, yes, there is Mafia in our community," said Splicer, who has moved contraband tobacco for 20 years. Organized crime, he explained, finances some of the manufacturing plants and retail smoke shops, most of which are little more than plywood shacks or converted shipping containers.
All roads lead ...
Business on the Kahnawake reserve is growing so fast that the community now appears to have surpassed its cousins in Akwesasne. The Gazette found that Kahnawake has at least nine manufacturers. One worker, who would speak only if his name wasn't used, said production varies but overall his shop processes about 5,000 pounds of tobacco each day using two Mark-9 machines - enough to make about 2.5 million cigarettes, or 125,000 packs per workday.
In addition to Kahnawake, police claim that about 11 Indian manufacturers are operating on the Canadian and U.S. side of the border at Akwesasne. The Gazette tried to track them down, but could locate only two that were still in operation. Officials say there are also manufacturers on the Six Nations Reserve near Brantford in southwestern Ontario and the Tyendinaga reserve near Belleville, Ont.
Until recently, the raw tobacco has been smuggled up through Akwesasne from North Carolina. But with the emergence of Kahnawake as a force in cigarette production, Splicer, the veteran tobacco dealer, said a lot of tobacco is coming from various countries through the Port of Montreal and the St. Lawrence Seaway, which goes right through Kahnawake.
"We have all kinds of ways of getting tobacco here," Splicer explained. "We have the borders beat. We have customs beat. The international waters goes right through our community, doesn't it. Take a ride up the riverfront and take a look and you'll figure out how we get it in. We built our own docks. We can load and unload."
Just a few years ago, Mohawks hired companies in North Carolina such as the Timcorp Group of Charlotte to supply turnkey cigarette manufacturing plants, plus raw tobacco, filters and tips, police say. Timcorp's website now claims it is out of business. A call to the firm, however, found it still operating. A receptionist said company president Dennis Makepeace would not reply to questions about his business with the Indians.
On March 14, 2006, St. Regis tribal police on the U.S. side of the Akwesasne reserve stopped three Bulgarian nationals in a vehicle owned by a prominent Akwesasne company. According to the RCMP, one Bulgarian named Stoyan Ivanov Darzhonov, 34, told police they worked for Timcorp and had come to St. Regis to set up cigarette machines.
Darzhonov also told police that two months earlier, they had set up manufacturing operations for three companies, including Jacobs Tobacco and Native Trading Associates.
Native Trading's brands crowd the shelves of smoke shops in reserves in Ontario and Quebec. Its owner, Sue Jesmer of Cornwall, Ont., has a manufacturing plant on the U.S. side of Akwesasne and holds a U.S. federal licence to manufacture her Native brand cigarettes. Jesmer refused, through her Washington, D.C., lawyer Bill McGowan, an interview. "It's a very sensitive subject. It's a big, complex, nasty issue," McGowan said in trying to explain why he didn't want his client to talk to the media. "The whole issues of Canada, etc., etc. ... She just wants to follow the rules and not everybody is doing that."
no-name Baggies
More than 150 Indian smoke shops crowd the nine-kilometre strip of Highway 138 that runs through the heart of the Kahnawake reserve. With names like Mega Butts, Get'n'Go, and Another Damn Cigarette Store, they serve the relentless flow of commuters between Montreal and its southern suburbs. They sell predominantly re-sealable bags of no-name cigarettes and Indian brands such as Native, Montcalm, Broncos and DKs, most of which, Splicer said, are made on the reserve.
The price of a carton of 200 legal cigarettes in Canada varies between $70 and $90, depending on the province. Contraband cigarettes cost less than the taxes on the legal ones. Indian-made brands cost from $20 to $35 and no-name brands, in the resealable bags, sell for as low as $15 for 200 cigarettes. (Competition in Kahnawake grew so intense last year that baggy prices sank to $6 before the Kahnawake Tobacco Association imposed price controls designed to boost the price to $20.)
Many of the tobacco manufacturers have their own websites, on which they advertise their products and where they can be purchased. One of the largest manufacturers is Jacobs Tobacco Company on the U.S. side of Akwesasne. Its website Jacobstobacco.com boasts of a "state of the art facility" producing three "premium brands" under the name of "disCOUNT." The website claims the company regularly donates to community youth programs and health services.
The company's cigarettes line the shelves of Canadian smoke shops and are considered contraband by the Canadian government. Jacobs Tobacco is owned by CEO Rosalie Jacobs and her family, according to an affidavit she filed in a U.S. federal court.
Her son Al Jacobs, known on the reserve as the "40-million-dollar man" because of his tobacco earnings, is a veteran tobacco smuggler with convictions dating back to 1994. He was indicted July 17, 2008, with five other men in the robbery and murder of a marijuana dealer in Stockholm, N.Y., and is in prison awaiting trial.
His mother's business, which has addresses in both Pennsylvania and Akwesasne, still operates, now out of a new 4,400-square-metre factory employing 72 natives full-time with a payroll of $2 million U.S., according to an affidavit signed by Rosalie Jacobs in U.S. federal court.
Jacobs Tobacco in 2007 opened an account at the Bank of Montreal on the Canadian side of the reserve. It is the only bank on either the Canadian or U.S. side. In an affidavit, Jacobs said she opened the account to wire payments to her U.S. wholesale tobacco suppliers. On Aug. 20, 2007, for example, she declared $15,000 U.S. to border authorities and was allowed to take the cash into Canada where she deposited it at the Bank of Montreal. Three days later, she tried to take $64,000 U.S. across the border into Canada. This time, however, when she declared the money to a U.S. border guard, he seized it and gave it to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), which initiated a seizure proceeding.
Rosalie sued the U.S. government to get the money back, claiming that it was legally acquired from tobacco manufacturing and that she had at all times complied with U.S. law. The ATF, in turn, argued that Jacobs Tobacco's operations were illegal because the company had no U.S. licence; it has a licence from the St. Regis Mohawk Tribe that is not recognized by Canadian or U.S. authorities. The case was settled last year when Jacobs agreed, without admitting or denying guilt, to forfeit half the money - $32,000 U.S. - while the ATF agreed to return the other half.
Rosalie Jacobs continues to deposit cash at the Bank of Montreal, according to police, and declares her funds to both U.S. and Canadian officials. Her Discount brand is widely sold in Canada.
Enforcement fails
The RCMP strategy for combating cigarette smuggling is to work with local and provincial police, as well as Mohawk peacekeepers to target the ringleaders - those primarily responsible for manufacturing and distribution. At the same time, police have tried to disrupt the flow of contraband by arresting couriers. So far, even officials admit this strategy hasn't worked.
Tribal councils won't shut down manufacturers because they don't regard them as illegal. They've shut them down only because their owners have also been arrested for drug smuggling. Since 2007, there have been 480 tobacco seizures in the region of Akwesasne and Valleyfield, just west of Montreal, netting 443 vehicles plus a number of firearms that include two AK-47 assault rifles, two M-16 machine guns and three grenade launchers.
In theory, penalties for selling or smuggling untaxed tobacco in Canada can be quite severe. Federal fines range from between 17 cents per cigarette and 25.5 cents per cigarette, which adds up when you've got thousands of cigarettes jammed into a van. Added to that are provincial penalties that can double the fines. Failure to pay means up to 18 months in jail.
Trouble is, prosecutors say, smugglers and contraband sellers often don't bother to show up in court, which means police have to go looking for them. And when they finally do come to court and receive stiff fines of tens of thousands of dollars, they don't pay them.
"In my four years doing these cases, I have never seen anybody incarcerated for failure to pay a fine," Cornwall public prosecutor Ron Turgeon said, adding that nobody pays the fines. "Now I'm asking for prison for a second offence, but I'm still not getting it."
Ontario funnels all the Akwesasne cases through a small courthouse that sits behind a beer store in the rural town of Alexandria, about half an hour from Cornwall. The Gazette tried to follow one person accused of smuggling, Oren Bigtree, through the court system, but he never showed up for his hearing.
"They get fined hundreds of thousands of dollars and nobody actually pays that money," said Sgt. Michael Harvey of the Cornwall detachment of the RCMP. "They pay maybe $100 a month. It's just crazy. We seize loads every day but there are factories pumping out millions of cigarettes so it doesn't make any dent."
Chasing smugglers is a dangerous occupation. Last month, a smuggler from Akwesasne tried to run over a Sûreté du Québec police officer with his truck. The officer shot out a tire, arrested the man and found an AK-47 in his cab. In January, an elderly couple from Massena, N.Y., was killed when a tobacco smuggler, chased by two Mohawk police officers, rammed their car. The smuggler also died in the collision that engulfed both vehicles in flames. The police officers were charged with criminal negligence causing death and with dangerous driving.
Since the accident, tobacco seizures have declined because police are reluctant to chase smugglers, Harvey said.
Weak enforcement, willing suppliers, and big demand suggest how difficult it will be to disrupt what has become a billion-dollar black market. Worse, with penalties and punishment modest at best, the biggest challenge may simply be the huge profits to be made, rivalling those of narcotics. Individual smugglers, or runners, can cash in big. One 17-year-old runner from Cornwall testified at her bail hearing that she made three trips a day, six days a week, and earned about $6,000 a week. She said she used the money to finance her cocaine habit.
Retailers also can make a good living. Splicer said his operation clears about $130,000 a year selling contraband. Still, it's not easy, he said. Splicer complained that he can't hold any assets in his name or the government will seize them. He has no bank account and is forced to keep large amounts of money handy to pay his workers and suppliers in cash.
"I can't put my name up front because the government is going to come kicking my door in. That car I own out there? It belongs to my last girlfriend. I pay for the car payments but I can't own it in my name. And my business is not in my name. I burn all my stuff. We don't keep records in the stores. We burn paper. At the end of the day I log into a special computer and hide it on a chip. ... The house I live in is not in my name. That's how I live. I'm nobody."
But he's someone to the Quebec government.
Tax collectors have assessed Splicer for an impressive $25 million in unpaid taxes dating back to the early 1990s, when he ran millions of cartons of cigarettes into Kahnawake. Splicer said he reached a settlement agreeing to pay the government a mere $150 a month against the debt. "They told me to sign an agreement to pay or go to jail for two years," he said. "I pay."
Revenue Quebec would not comment on why it settled for this amount. Often, when there is nothing the government can seize, it will settle on an amount it believes the taxpayer can afford.
It's hard to believe that will make much of a dent in what has become a booming business. Throughout the conversation with Splicer, there is a constant flow of customers in and out of his smoke shop. They buy mostly the low-end discounted cigarettes that come in resealable bags. Twice during the afternoon suppliers brought in fresh boxes, each containing 50 cartons or 10,000 cigarettes.
"I have been in this business since I was 16 years old," Splicer said, taking a drag from a premium brand cigarette. "When they first rolled the first cigarettes into this community, I was there on the water smuggling them in. I was armed with a machine gun in the bush to protect our loads. I remember all this. I ran the river. I did all that. Because this is what I do. This is who I am."


wmarsden@thegazette.canwest.com


CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article stated the company Brand-U Media is a tobacco manufacturer. Government records, however, indicate its activities as publishing and combat sports. The Gazette also reported that Burton Rice is president of Mustang Distribution Ltd. Government records indicate that its president is Peter Rice. Burton Rice is not listed as an officer or shareholder of the company.
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Like it or not, the Mohawks were here before the US and Canada existed. The French, British and Dutch all signed treaties with the Mohawks recognizing their sovereignty. When Canada became a confederacy, we took on all British treaties, including ones with the Mohawk confederacy in return for their assistance during the American revolution and the War of 1812. We can't pick and choose which treaties we will respect and which ones we will ignore.

Native American rights

Article III of the Jay Treaty declared the right of "Indians" ("Native Americans" in current parlance) as well as of US and Canadian citizens to trade and travel between the United States and Canada, which was then a territory of Great Britain.[6] American Consular Services in Canada states that as a result of the Jay Treaty "Native Indians born in Canada are therefore entitled to enter the United States for the purpose of employment, study, retirement, investing, and/or immigration".[7]

Jay Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In other words, they have a right to move freely between the US and Canada.

Here is a the Mohawk perspective:

A Line on a Map A Mohawk Perspective on the International Border at Akwesasne
On December 21, 1999, the Government of Canada filed a lawsuit in the United States Federal Court against a major American tobacco manufacturer for its direct involvement in a smuggling conspiracy worth at least a billion dollars. Although most of the contraband in question passed through Foreign Trade Zones (FTZs) in Buffalo, Niagara Falls, Liverpool, and Champlain, New York, some of those cigarettes passed through the Mohawk territory of Akwesasne, "The Land Where the Partridge Drums." This community is located on the St. Lawrence River and the border between the United States and Canada. The international news media zeroed in on Akwesasne for the "color" of their stories—focusing on the images of Mohawks loading boats full of cigarettes—but ignored the myriad of issues that go along with any honest discussion of the international border and Mohawk border crossing rights. To understand these issues, one must look at the history of the border at Akwesasne and the love-hate relationship the Mohawks have had with it since it was first drawn.

The Mohawks of Akwesasne remember that when the border between the United States and Canada was drawn through their land following the American Revolution, they were told that the border would not affect them, that it was "20 feet above their heads" and only applied to the non-natives. History has shown that border was actually about four inches above the ground, just high enough to trip the average Mohawk as he walked from one part of his community to the other.

The imposition of the border at Akwesasne resulted in a radical changes that continue to the present day. Both the United States and Canada began to assert authority over their respective "halves" with legislation that enforced elective form of governments and restrictive membership rolls on both sides of the territory. This undermined the authority of the traditional leadership and resulted in the loss of aboriginal rights for those who made the mistake of marrying someone from the other side of the border, which, in Akwesasne's case, could be someone right next door. In spite of promises made that the border would not hinder them in the pursuit of their traditional livelihood, Mohawks soon found their baskets, beadwork, lacrosse sticks, and farm produce confiscated by zealous border patrol agents.

The injustice of these policies has always made Mohawks resentful of the outside authorities, and with good reason: Mohawks have paid for the history of both these nations with their own blood. Mohawk warriors played decisive rolls in the French and Indian War, the American Revolution, and the War of 1812. Mohawk hunters led colonial fur traders and explorers deep within the interior of North America, often at great personal risk. It was Mohawk canoemen who guided Europeans through the rapids of the St. Lawrence, and Mohawk lumberjacks who helped the timber industry get its start. And who can forget the lessons of democracy that inspired the colonists: the patriots at the Boston Tea Party weren't dressed as Greeks but Mohawks. All of these contributions were forgotten by the policy-makers who determined that Mohawk nationhood was ancient history. Mohawks were therefore subject to whatever laws they saw fit to pass.
With the St. Lawrence River passing through Akwesasne, the territory has always been difficult for outside authorities to patrol, especially when one considers that boundaries of two Canadian provinces (Ontario and Quebec) and one American state (New York) converge at Akwesasne in the middle of the river. Geography and economics have conspired to make the territory a favorite location for the smuggling of contraband. Back in the days of Prohibition, it was not uncommon for boatloads of alcohol to get smuggled into the United States by native and non-native alike. Mohawk elders recount that border patrol agents used deadly force to combat the smugglers: the bodies of Mohawk suspects were found floating in the river the next day, riddled with bullets. It is said that even Al Capone had a hand in the alcohol trade at Akwesasne.

Fast forward to the 1950's and the creation of the St. Lawrence Seaway. Hailed as the technological wonder of the 20th century, the system of power dams and navigation locks radically altered the landscape of the river valley. Industrial development soon brought an alphabet soup of toxic chemicals to the river system which destroyed the fishing industry at Akwesasne. Farming disappeared when pollution in the air began to make its way into the plants and animals. Like it or not, the Mohawks at Akwesasne found their way of life changing around them and had to come up with a new way to survive. Mohawks left home to work on high steel, many went away to college, and many became entrepreneurs.

Although life around them was changing, Mohawks found that certain things stayed the same: one of those being the attitude of the Canadian government that Mohawks had to pay duty on goods brought from one side of the territory to another. This resulted in a protest on Cornwall Island, where Canada had constructed a port-of-entry on Mohawk soil. A number of Mohawks were arrested by a phalanx of police officers from Cornwall, Ontario, and taken to jail for blocking the road used by international traffic. Although the issue of duties was not resolved, this action showed Canada that the Mohawks of Akwesasne remembered their history and the promise that the border would not apply to them.

Eventually, some very savvy individuals began to look at the international border and decided to turn what had always been a hindrance into an opportunity. With a nod to those who snuck through the border with alcohol in the days of Prohibition, these aggressive entrepreneurs saw the rise in Canadian tobacco taxes as an opportunity in disguise. Small on-reserve tobacco shops sprang up selling tax-free cigarettes supplied by runners who were able to get them from the United States into Canada, often in the trunks of their cars. The profits from this trade created quick and easy wealth but eventually began to undermine the value system of the participants. The smuggling networks began to expand into drugs, alcohol, and guns. Soon they were moving contraband with boats and tractor trailers.

Meanwhile, the Mohawk leadership decided that the time had come to challenge Canada in court over the issue of Mohawk border crossing rights. A protest was mounted with a caravan and marchers who passed through the port-of-entry without paying duties on a number of household and commercial goods. Grand Chief Mike Mitchell asserted his rights under the Treaty of Amity, Commerce, and Navigation of 1794 (also known as the Jay Treaty), the specifics of which Canada maintained they never legally ratified. While this court challenge worked its way through the Canadian justice system, a new development added even more urgency to the issue of border crossing rights: Canada increased the tax on cigarettes.

By adding even more incentive for people to smuggle, Canada's actions guaranteed that the trade in contraband smokes went through the roof. It was no longer just an "Indian" problem. People of all races were smuggling cigarettes from coast to coast. No longer did non-natives have to go to reserves to buy the tax-free cigarettes, they were readily available everywhere. Corruption reached absurd proportions as non-native police officers and customs agents were snared in smuggling investigations.

Mohawk leaders, meanwhile, watched in dismay as the Canadian government began to focus their attention on Akwesasne and publicly identified the territory as "smuggler's alley." Although Akwesasne was now only one of many access points used by smugglers, the mass media picked up on the romantic and racist image of the "renegade Indian smuggler" and helped to convey the misconception that Mohawks were solely to blame for the loss of Canadian tax revenue. They ignored the fact that for many, many years, the Mohawk leaders had warned the Canadian government that their tobacco taxation policies would lead to the creation of a black market that would exploit Akwesasne's geographical situation. They proposed the creation of a Mohawk border patrol which would protect the community from being used as a corridor for this kind of activity. These proposals were rejected by the Canadian government on the grounds that the Mohawks did not have the legal power to enact such laws.

In 1997, Mitchell's case was finally heard by the Canadian Federal Court. Instead of negotiating a solution with the Mohawks, the Canadian government did everything in its power to undermine the Mohawk position. They even went so far as to call an expert witness who disputed the national identity and oral traditions of the community of Akwesasne. In spite of these insults, the justices ruled that Mohawks did indeed have an aboriginal right to cross the border unimpeded. The Canadian government once again refused to negotiate with the Mohawks on how to implement these rights and challenged the decision. The Canadian Supreme Court announced on October 14, 1999, that it would hear the case.

South of the border, American law enforcement agencies broke up one of the biggest smuggling operations ever. This ring had handled over a half a billion dollars worth of contraband tobacco. One of those who was arrested was an executive of a major American tobacco manufacturer. By November 16, 1998, 16 people had pled guilty.

On December 21, 1999, the Canadian government announced that it was filing a lawsuit in U.S. Federal Court under the Federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) against RJR-Macdonald, Inc., RJ Reynolds Tobacco Holdings, Inc., several related companies, and the Canadian Tobacco Manufacturers Council. They claimed that the RJ Reynolds companies "defrauded the Canadian people by conspiring with known distributors and smugglers to illegally smuggle their tobacco products into Canada. Furthermore, the Government of Canada claims that the Canadian Tobacco Manufacturers Council acted as an agent for RJ Reynolds in this scheme."

Based on the affidavit of RJ Reynolds executive Leslie Thompson, who was convicted for his role in assisting a multi-million dollar smuggling network, the Canadian government is seeking at least a billion dollars in damages for lost revenue. They contend that the American tobacco manufacturer set up a company in Canada to provide tax free "export only" cigarettes which were the smuggled back into Canada. They also contend that the Canadian Tobacco Manufacturers Council, which had many RJ Reynolds executives as members, threw Canadian investigators off the trail of the tobacco companies by publishing reports that claimed the tobacco smuggling was controlled by "organized criminal groups such as the Italian Mafia, and by various gangs, including Asian, Russian, and motorcycle gangs" without mentioning any involvement by the tobacco manufacturers themselves.

The Mohawk Council of Akwesasne, in reaction to this lawsuit, announced that they too were considering legal action--against the Canadian government! They contend that the Canadian government knew all along that the majority of the cigarettes being exported from Canada to the United States were making it back to Canada through the black market, but were heavily influenced by the powerful tobacco industry to do anything substantial about it. According to Grand Chief Mike Mitchell, "Instead of acting on this information, Canada has used the Mohawks of Akwesasne and other Mohawk Communities as the scapegoats for the problem." He called upon the Canadian government to revisit the idea of a Mohawk Border Patrol.

Although the smoke from the cigarette controversy still clouds the air, the smuggling corridor continues to present a major dilemna at Akwesasne on other fronts. The cargo of choice has gone from cigarettes (which are no longer as lucrative, thanks to a decrease in tobacco taxes) to actual human beings. Hundreds of foreign nationals have been taken across the border in the trunks of cars, tractor trailers, and leaky fishing boats. Many are abandoned on the shores of the Saint Lawrence and left wandering the roads of Akwesasne. Some are sick, some are pregnant, some are elderly, some are children. To pay for their passage, many agree to work under conditions of slavery in sweatshops in New York City. These people come from India, Pakistan, China, and numerous other countries. Some may very well be international terrorists.

Although you will occassionally see bumper stickers that read "Illegal Aliens in Trunk" or "Smuggling: It's Not Just a Job, It's an Adventure!" the smuggling of human beings is no laughing matter. Several years ago a tragedy occurred on the St. Lawrence River that was a direct result of this controversial practice. A Mohawk man was taking a family of illegal aliens across the river in a decrepit old fishing boat when it took on water and began to sink. An elderly woman drowned and another man went missing. The rest were just barely rescued when someone on shore heard their cries for help.

Aside from having Mohawk police pick these people up and turn them over to the border patrol, the Mohawk leadership has not yet dealt with the human rights issues presented by the "people trade," or by the involvement of their fellow Mohawks in the activity. While they pack their legal briefs for a return to Ottawa, another smuggler packs his trunk full of human beings and slams shut any hopes that Mohawk border crossing rights will ever be respected.

UPDATE: After thirteen years of dragging through the courts, Grand Chief Mike Mitchell's border crossing case has come to an end with a decision striking down the lower court ruling. According to the Supreme Court, Mitchell did not prove his case that the Mohawks of Akwesasne had an aboriginal right to bring trade goods across the border without paying duty. The decision is a major blow. It is still being analyzed by legal and political minds.

The following is a link to the decision itself. Mitchell Decision

Wampum Chronicles: Contemporary Issues: Border Crossing Rights
 

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Yeah, but Canada as we know it didn't start until 1867, the day we celebrate the birthday and beginning of Canada. Our elected officials agreed with the idea of segregating aboriginals until the mid 20th century, then something changed. Now we actually believe in equality for all.

The "British" signed these treaties, how many out there consider yourself "British"?
 

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Read the Jay Treaty. That treaty defines the US/Canadian border and also grants First Nations people the right to move freely across the border. That treaty continues to define our border with the US.

From the British North American act:

Treaty Obligations. 132.The Parliament and Government of Canada shall have all Powers necessary or proper for performing the Obligations of Canada or of any Province thereof, as Part of the British Empire, towards Foreign Countries, arising under Treaties between the Empire and such Foreign Countries.

Constitution Act, 1867 - Wikisource.

When Canada became a dominion, we inherited Britain's treaty obligations including the Jay treaty. I'm sure the Americans would be willing to renegotiate our borders as defined by the Jay Treaty. We'd probably loose Montreal and Toronto...

Until Canada negotiates a new treaty with the Mohawks, the Jay treaty defines our relationship with these people.
 

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Read the Jay Treaty. That treaty defines the US/Canadian border and also grants First Nations people the right to move freely across the border. That treaty continues to define our border with the US.

From the British North American act:

When Canada became a dominion, we inherited Britain's treaty obligations including the Jay treaty. I'm sure the Americans would be willing to renegotiate our borders as defined by the Jay Treaty. We'd probably loose Montreal and Toronto...

Until Canada negotiates a new treaty with the Mohawks, the Jay treaty defines our relationship with these people.

Funny how treaty obligations in Canada become a reason for justifying breaking the law everyone else has to follow. If I smuggle contraband across the border to the US I'm in deep trouble. The border is now a barrier and costing thousands of jobs here. Americans have a point in saying our border is weak and we can't control it, because we can't control parts of it.

The treaty says aborginals can freely cross the border, there is no passage where it says they can smuggle goods across it, and in violation of democratically passed laws.

People read what they want into treaties, and things can be read out, it depends much on political will.
 

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i think the spirit of the law is such that it allows aboriginals unhinderd access ro their traditional lands and therefore there cannot be smuggling.

Having said that, there is little doubt people take advantage of this law to further their own ends.
 

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i think the spirit of the law is such that it allows aboriginals unhinderd access ro their traditional lands and therefore there cannot be smuggling.

Having said that, there is little doubt people take advantage of this law to further their own ends.

The Canadian government still will not allow the Sinixt people to cross the border into Canad from Washington state even though a dozen archaeologists and Anthropologist have reported since the 1800s that 80% of their territory is in BC. When Canada declared them extinct in 1956, it was because they were beginning negotiations with the US over the Columbia River Treaty. They did not want to have to deal with the "Indian" problem so they just wrote them out of existence by an Order in Council of the Canadian government of the day (the only tribe to have that honour).

I'll have to remember the Jay Treaty the next time I see their lawyer.
 

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The gov't of Canada is simply not exercing its sovereign rights here. There are not two bosses in Canada, only one. Yet there are two classes of people in Canada when it comes to law enforcement. The law in Canada is very political.
There si some confusion as to who is soveriegn and who isn't. As the Mohawks and the rest of the Six Nations have never ceded to the Crown. They are a soveriegn people, who by Treaty have been granted the right to walk the path as brothers and equals, with the Canadian people. Had this perception of the Grant and Treaty been kept by the Crown in perpetuity, there would be no issue today, IMHO. But even though the promiss was to be seen as equals. For a great many years we were not, we were negated, down trodden, segragated and treated as subpar with our white brothers. I have many instances in antiquity of this, the most glaring, returning Vets from the first and second WW's.
Mohawks, gangs and tobacco
Great article, thanx.

Yeah, but Canada as we know it didn't start until 1867, the day we celebrate the birthday and beginning of Canada. Our elected officials agreed with the idea of segregating aboriginals until the mid 20th century, then something changed. Now we actually believe in equality for all.
And though I agree, we should all stand equal. It was in the errors of the past that we find the roots of today's woes. That is not to say that I condone or even justify the present conditions, but rather, it was not just our doing, that created this issue and we certainly do not bare the brunt of the blame.

It is to the best interest of all parties that we again walk the path set forth by the Coventent Chain and the Two Row Wampom, and work in tandem to change the malfesence that has infested our lands. By the creation of ignorance, subjugation and uneducation, the cycle is perpetual. When all parties to the problem address this in a polar opposite and these issues are wiped out. The changes can occure. Until then, the myth is perpetuated by show of force and it is weaponized in agains the authorities in the next generations.

The "British" signed these treaties, how many out there consider yourself "British"?
I can tell by you nic, you have no love for the Crown, but untill the day we become a Republic, we are all subjects of the Crown, like it or not.

On such a day, if it were to ever come, I would hope that the citizens of a new Canada would uphold the hereditary Treaties with the First Nations. This article of smuggling and criminality is but a prelude to the oncoming war, however one sided or short it may be. The Reserves along the St. Lawrance are not without their weaponry and ability to arm themselves greatly and with even greater ease.

Read the Jay Treaty. That treaty defines the US/Canadian border and also grants First Nations people the right to move freely across the border. That treaty continues to define our border with the US.
This is true, and many people in my community abuse the Treaty with no more thought then that of swatting a bug. It is in that act and lack of forethought that we find the perpetuation of the ignorant stereotypes we create of ourselves.

When Canada became a dominion, we inherited Britain's treaty obligations including the Jay treaty. I'm sure the Americans would be willing to renegotiate our borders as defined by the Jay Treaty. We'd probably loose Montreal and Toronto...
And in the ensuing controversay and outcry from the Native community, Ruperts Land as well, lol...;-)

Until Canada negotiates a new treaty with the Mohawks, the Jay treaty defines our relationship with these people.
Not just the Jay Treaty, it pertains to the border Reservations, the Two Row Wampom and the Covenant Chain are the two most powerful Treaties we poses with the Crown.

Funny how treaty obligations in Canada become a reason for justifying breaking the law everyone else has to follow.
Not necessarily. Using the Treaties in such a manner is erroneous and tarnishes the spirit in which they were laid out. In the case of accuriring tobacco and tobacco products for use on the Rez, there would be no issue, taxation or otherwise. It is in the resale and distrobution of unlevied tobacco that issue arrises. But that pails in comparison to the other criminal ventures presently abounding upon the Reserve system.

If I smuggle contraband across the border to the US I'm in deep trouble. The border is now a barrier and costing thousands of jobs here. Americans have a point in saying our border is weak and we can't control it, because we can't control parts of it.
This is true to some extent. But I have to defend my community here. Though on the surface, we as a group may appear to be unpatriotic and unCanadian, by choice. I would feel uncomfortable in agreeing that the Natives in anyway affect the border in the context in which the US has painted it.

First off, the bulk of the controband is headed North, except for our fine marijuana products, and the Native community was as shaken as the bulk of North America on 9/11. I feel it safe to say that in the context in the US has made complaints of our pourous borders, the Natives of Canada and the US would in no way jeapordise the safety of the Nations is such a way.

The treaty says aborginals can freely cross the border, there is no passage where it says they can smuggle goods across it, and in violation of democratically passed laws.
Though you may be correct in some manner. We have the expressed right to transport goods for our own needs, tax exempt. Where we find issue, is in the resale and distribution of these products, out the back door.

I think Eric McEwan driving a tractor trailer load of Player's Lights across the border could be seen as a little more then just personal use though...;-)

People read what they want into treaties, and things can be read out, it depends much on political will.
It most readily depends on the Supreme Court actually.

i think the spirit of the law is such that it allows aboriginals unhinderd access ro their traditional lands and therefore there cannot be smuggling.
Should not be smuggling. It hurts the image of the Nations, the image of the people as a whole and it hinders efforts to self govern.

Having said that, there is little doubt people take advantage of this law to further their own ends.
Ignorance and greed are not all locked up by the white man.

The Canadian government still will not allow the Sinixt people to cross the border into Canad from Washington state even though a dozen archaeologists and Anthropologist have reported since the 1800s that 80% of their territory is in BC. When Canada declared them extinct in 1956, it was because they were beginning negotiations with the US over the Columbia River Treaty. They did not want to have to deal with the "Indian" problem so they just wrote them out of existence by an Order in Council of the Canadian government of the day (the only tribe to have that honour).
I posted an article here a long time ago about the mysterious dissappearance of the Iroquois people exibit at a Museum in Quebec.

Funny, I am Iroquois, Six Nations and my wife just saw me stumble to the bath room, lol.

Speaking of smuggling. I wish people would smuggle a link and a short summary of their chosen article in if they want to, but drop the entire article at the border.
This is so true, there otta be a law, ;-)
 

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Americans have a point in saying our border is weak and we can't control it, because we can't control parts of it.


The other half of that equation is the American's ability to control their border. If this were that important an issue to teh Americans, they'd take full control of who was able to land on their soil rather than identify that the border nation allows too free a flow.... It's a two way street.

The treaty says aborginals can freely cross the border, there is no passage where it says they can smuggle goods across it, and in violation of democratically passed laws.

This issue doesn't need to be nearly as complicated as it is. There are multiple borders that are involved here including reserve lands onto Crown or US lands. Further, this is not so much about crossing the border as it is about contraband. If the treaty is clear in terms of the Canada/US movement of people without hinderence, allow it without barrier, however, once the smuggled goods cross the border from reserve to Crown (or US gvt) lands, all bets are off and it is the law of that jurisdiction that applies.

Make the penalties harsh enough and actually apply those penalties and you'll se a change in the smuggling patterns.


People read what they want into treaties, and things can be read out, it depends much on political will.


Interesting point. I've read through some prairie treaties and while the document allowed for a broad interpretation, certain sections were quite specific. One example that comes to mind related to the annual gvt obligation in terms of food/lodging wherein the gvt would provide 'X' head of cattle per population per year (as one part of the agreement) and 'Y' supplies (medical/household) per person in return for whatever gvt condition.

The point I am making is that there is a cross-over between the spirit of the original agreements and the literal words of said agreements... If this transforms into a battle that involves literal interpretations of agreements, it could get really messy.
 

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The point I am making is that there is a cross-over between the spirit of the original agreements and the literal words of said agreements... If this transforms into a battle that involves literal interpretations of agreements, it could get really messy.
Which is why the Supreme Courts have always applied contemporary definitions to the antiquated spirit of the Treaties.
 

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Understood.

If that were to change, there will be many unhappy folks on both sides of teh argument, a real lose-lose situation.
Absolutely...

The issue is in the spirit, of which you fully understand. The Treaty was written in a manner that made it 'living' and perpetual.

The issues that would arise from any reversal or change in the interpretation of said Treaties would have a detrimental and adverse effect on Native, non native relations, let alone to the relationship between Native and the Crown.

It could be seen as reneging on the 'contract'. If that were the case, the Crown would be forced to face the music at the UN. As unwilling members to the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. It is the Crowns duty to uphold them, so long as the sun rises and the rivers flow. As it was written.

The sticking point to our reservations of casting a yay vote on this particular UN declaration, which is slightly outside the topic at hand, but still pertinent.

The final text of the Declaration did not meet these and other important objectives. For example, in relation to the core issue of recognition of Indigenous rights to lands, territories and resources, the provisions in the Declaration are overly broad, unclear and open to interpretation.
Article 26 indicates that Indigenous peoples “have the right to the lands, territories and resources which they have traditionally owned, occupied or otherwise used or acquired.”
This statement is difficult to reconcile with Canadian recognition of a range of Aboriginal rights in relation to lands, from rights of use such as hunting and fishing, to Aboriginal title. There could also be attempts to use such language to support Aboriginal claims to ownership rights over much of Canada, even where such rights have been dealt with lawfully in the past.
My interpretation of this asserts that it is the mineral rights to which Native peoples do not actually poses, that is the basis of this concern. Precedent has been set, in which mineral rights have been awarded to the Band who resides upon the land in question. But it is not an absolute title. The title must be fought for. At no time has mineral rights been granted to Native territory. Thus the necessity of the Supreme Courts verdicts on such dealings. In our history, we have been shuffled, move and otherwise upheaved to make way for the mining consortiums to make a profit. An attempt is under way in Quebec, in regards to the very Band in question in the OP article. And again, it looks as though the hike to and through the Supreme Court, will by long and costly.

The history of the Territory in question here, is turbulent, to say the least. Oka, the James Gabriel affair, criminal activity and recently a drug ring raid. This Territory seems damned and determined to be invaded and forced to cede to the Crown. Which it has not done to date. It is still, like most Six Nations Territories (Though these Mohawks broke the Great Peace and allied themselves to the French and are therefore loosely affiliated with the rest of the Six nations)soveirgn Territory. And again, we come back to the Two Row Wampom and the Covenant Chain, two peoples walking the same path as brother, as equals.

This is the legacy left us by the Rule of the British Crown. We can either as two distinct people wallow in it's wake, or work together to become one strong people, of two mothers.

It is without a doubt, an up hill battle. On my side we have people who wish to live in the culture of distrust and hate, on the non native side, we have those not willing to accept that errors were made, and as you live on and by the proceeds of that perpetual contract, you must honour it. That is not to say you must accpept anyone dishonouring it, but that you must live up to your share of it and that alone.
 

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The issue is in the spirit, of which you fully understand. The Treaty was written in a manner that made it 'living' and perpetual.

The issues that would arise from any reversal or change in the interpretation of said Treaties would have a detrimental and adverse effect on Native, non native relations, let alone to the relationship between Native and the Crown.


You give me far too much credit. I think that I understand the basic foundation of the spirit of the agreements and that they are intended to evolve over time. In effect, this is where I think that these agreements have the real potential to come off the rails. You have spoken in terms that indicate you are fluent re: these issues and documents as well in legal matters. That said, you will be familiar with the legal confusion (deliberate) in the interpretation of any agreement (contract)... now, factor-in the increased confusion in applying the 'intended spirit' of the agreements that were accepted many many years ago.

It's a lawyer's wet dream.



It could be seen as reneging on the 'contract'. If that were the case, the Crown would be forced to face the music at the UN. As unwilling members to the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. It is the Crowns duty to uphold them, so long as the sun rises and the rivers flow. As it was written.


I highlight your specific point only as it relates to the involvement of the UN... My gut feeling tells me that the UN may be detrimental in this situation. To start, they are a highly political body and considering that the majority of their member nations would stand to lose with a favourable ruling to Canadian FN's. That precedent, if ruled upon by the UN might result in re-drawing damn near all the lines throughout Europe, the Middle East and much of Asia, let alone reparations that may stretch back over the entire frame of recorded history.

That said, I think that you'll see the UN will waffle on the issue.


My interpretation of this asserts that it is the mineral rights to which Native peoples do not actually poses, that is the basis of this concern. Precedent has been set, in which mineral rights have been awarded to the Band who resides upon the land in question. But it is not an absolute title. The title must be fought for. At no time has mineral rights been granted to Native territory. Thus the necessity of the Supreme Courts verdicts on such dealings. In our history, we have been shuffled, move and otherwise upheaved to make way for the mining consortiums to make a profit. An attempt is under way in Quebec, in regards to the very Band in question in the OP article. And again, it looks as though the hike to and through the Supreme Court, will by long and costly.

This is another sketchy area for a variety of reasons... The first will involve determining 'ownership' in teh face of overlaping ranges (traditional). One big problem will be that the 'record' relies on oral tradition, and as you are aware, there is signignificant discrepancy in this area among FN's. Further, the issue will also encompass a formalized and agreed upon definition that clarifies exactly what is a soverign nation.

Without the above components, the Nordic settlers (Vikings), Soviet (historical equilivent) and Chinese could potentially trump everyone, assuming it's on a first-come basis. certainly that will not occur, however, ultimately the question of 'who was here first' would have to be clearly defined.. I'm not attempting to be ambiguous here, however, these elements have the potential to morph into the equation.


It is without a doubt, an up hill battle. On my side we have people who wish to live in the culture of distrust and hate, on the non native side, we have those not willing to accept that errors were made, and as you live on and by the proceeds of that perpetual contract, you must honour it. That is not to say you must accpept anyone dishonouring it, but that you must live up to your share of it and that alone.


You must bear in mind that all these issues are a 2-way street. Distrust/hate along with errors were made by all parties associated in this area.
 

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Cigarette smuggling is like the damn seal hunt. It's been going on so long nobody knows what to do about it. The governments involved don't want to piss off anyone who might vote for them and the First Nations treat it as part of their expected earnings. I don't know if there is a solution. I mean a solution that everyone would be happy about. The government is losing hundreds of millions of dollars in unpaid taxes that indirectly would have helped the first nations. Maybe the thing to do is make the tobacco companies account for all of their product.
 

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Funny how treaty obligations in Canada become a reason for justifying breaking the law everyone else has to follow. If I smuggle contraband across the border to the US I'm in deep trouble. The border is now a barrier and costing thousands of jobs here. Americans have a point in saying our border is weak and we can't control it, because we can't control parts of it.

The treaty says aborginals can freely cross the border, there is no passage where it says they can smuggle goods across it, and in violation of democratically passed laws.

People read what they want into treaties, and things can be read out, it depends much on political will.

These people aren't breaking the law when they cross the Canada US border inside their territory. According to the treaty which defines the Canada US border in this area, these people have a "legal" right to cross the border freely. The breaking the law part happens when these people move goods off their territory and into Canada.

The Mohawk "Nation" is less recognized internationally than Palestine. Effectively these people are just as nationless as Palestinians unless they choose Canadian or American citizenship.

Canada and the US could adopt a similar model as Israel to deal with these people and just militarily occupy their land. I'm sure that would involve demolishing homes, building walls, putting up military checkpoints, detaining people and forcing people to live in open air prisons. Some of these people are armed and would likely resort to terrorism. But we could also adopt the Israeli model to deal with that too. We could assassinate their leaders, and periodically invade and level their infrastructure. Our actions might result in some collateral damage, killing hundreds or even thousands of innocent civilians, which we could justify because it would end the smuggling problem. The world might think less of Canada for treating these people the same way Israel treats Palestinians and ignoring international laws, treaties and conventions. The UN might even pass resolutions against us which we could ignore. But Israel has set an international precedent for dealing with nationless people like the Mohawks which Canada could use to deal with this smuggling problem. As a bonus we could also annex their land and build settlements for our citizens. Since Canda has more firepower, these people would have little recourse except illegal terrorist activities. If some of the thousands of angry natives started firing rockets and mortars at us over the walls, that would justify Canada bombing the hell out of them. Since CB is an ardent supporter of Israel, I'm sure he would support Canada using an iron fist to deal with any Mohawk resistance/terrorist activity resulting from Canada illegally seizing their land. Otherwise he'd be a hypocrite...

(Sorry I had to point out the parallels)
I'd prefer that we treat these people as equals, recognize their rights and treat them fairly in accordance with our legal treaty obligations. I would expect the Mohawks to behave the same way. The current smuggling problem is a small price to pay for peaceful co-existence until we negotiate a new treaty which deals with this and other issues, like citizenship.

In the meantime, Canada and the US should insist that the Akwesasne Mohawk Police Service crack down on smugglers:
Akwesasne.ca

Also this link is worth reading:
Akwesasne.ca
 
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darkbeaver

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Cigarette smuggling is like the damn seal hunt. It's been going on so long nobody knows what to do about it. The governments involved don't want to piss off anyone who might vote for them and the First Nations treat it as part of their expected earnings. I don't know if there is a solution. I mean a solution that everyone would be happy about. The government is losing hundreds of millions of dollars in unpaid taxes that indirectly would have helped the first nations. Maybe the thing to do is make the tobacco companies account for all of their product.

The government would just squander it on the fast and footloose banks anyway, they can't handle money you know..:smile:
 

Ron in Regina

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First of all, I smoke. 8O

This whole smoking and smuggling and taxation of tobacco and
all the laws and advertising campaigns around the sale of tobacco
are....well....goofy.

It's well past time for Government to either:
1) completely BAN all tobacco products (manufacture, import and
export, sales, etc...) with no exceptions for anyone. Done deal...
2) shut the Heck up already. Pick one or the other. No middle ground.

I'm good with either choice to be perfectly honest, but not good with
any middle ground on this subject what so ever 'cuz it'll never end
unless one of the two choices is enacted and they stick to it, regardless
of the choice.
 
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