How do we solve the Middle East problem.

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I'd be curious to know if Muslims would be willing to allow Jews to commemorate the Sabbath in the Al-Aqsa mosque on the grounds that it is now located right where the Jerusalem Temple used to be?

However, we could also ask if Jews would accept such an offer if ever made. Muslims generally consider the Al-Aqsa Mosque as having fulfilled the Biblical prophecy of the rebuilding of the Jerusaliem Temple (i.e. they view it as the new Jerusalem Temple!). Let's not forget that Muslims believe in the Torah too as an older text of God. That being the case, with Jews believing that that prophecy is yet to come and that the Al-Aqsa mosque is the very obstacle in its way, we can then understand the tensions there. For the Muslims, for the Jews to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque would be confusing, bizarre, and diametrically opposed to their avowed goal of rebuilding the Jerusalem Temple, since destroying the Mosque would be viewed as destroying the new Jerusalem Temple the Jews wish to rebuild.

For the Jews, to accept an offer to hold Sabbath in the Al-Aqsa Mosque could lead to a fear that it be misinterpreted as an acknowledgement that the Al-Aqsa Mosque is indeed the fulfilment of the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Temple. Looking at it that way, some Muslims would likely even be tempted to offer its use to Jews on Saturdays as a symbolic, very powerfully symbolic, gesture. Jews would likely reject it precicely owing to their awareness of the potential symbolic significance within the context of Muslim understandig of Biblical prophecy of accepting such an offer.

I honestly don't know how this would pan out. Would Muslims be interested in making such an offer? And would Jews accept such an offer? Hard to say on both sides, as politics get all mixed into it too.
 

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We are going to go at this just a tad differently than previously. Attacks will not be tolerated. If your comments are not contructive and conducive to civil discussion then the post will be asked to be removed. Stay on topic, if you start rambling or introducing subjects that are not in keeping with the objective of the OP, your post will be asked to be removed.


This thread will be dedicated to ideas of how to solve the Middle East problem. NOT to point fingers. At this point in time the history of the area is irrelevant. Using the history of the area to justify the actions of one side or another is an excersise in futility, and here is why:
"History is a myth agreed upon." Napoleon Bonaparte.

"No two historians ever agree on what happened, and the damn thing is they both think they're telling the truth." Harry S. Truman.

Let's deal with the here and now and see if we can't come up with something that "could" be acceptable to all sides of this conflict.

There is enough blame to go around to all party's involved, both Hamas AND Isreal. The following article discusses the problems with dumping billions in aid into Palistine all the while Isreal and Hamas continue to ensure the area is unstable and insecure.

http://wap.alertnet.org/db/an_art/20...5-085634-1.htm

As you can see, the health issues, both physical and mental, need to be addressed as soon as possible before other social and economic issues can be resolved in both Gaza and the West Bank.
Isreal's continued policy of aphartied, in the guize of their "security wall" needs to be revisited for the good and security of both Palestinians and Isreali's. The continued confrontational policy's of check points and the secirity wall must stop.
As much as many are loathe to consider this next step..... Hamas, at this point in time, IS the governing body in Palestine. Isreal and the "west" need to sit down and discuss how to best solve the existing animosity's and problems.
We'll start out with this.

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How do we solve the Middle East problem?


We don't have a middle east problem. Especially if we don't allow them into Canada under any circumstances.
 

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gerryh

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"WE" do have a M.E. problem. You can stick your collective heads in the sand and murmer the mantra "it doesn't concern us" all you want and it won't change the fact that what happens in diferent parts of the world DOES effect us, even here in Canada and the U.S.

"We" have already seen what can happen when a "problem" elsewhere in the world is ignored. WWII and Nazi Germany "should" be a reminder.
 

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How do we solve the Middle East problem?


We don't have a middle east problem. Especially if we don't allow them into Canada under any circumstances.


How do you propose to stop people from the Mid-East from coming into Canada? You are referring to a lot of different ethnic people.
 

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How do you propose to stop people from the Mid-East from coming into Canada? You are referring to a lot of different ethnic people.

Isn't that what our Immigration Dept. is there for, to screen prospective immigrants? There are certain situations where being discriminatory is fair. Like when allowing people into your home, if I don't like the looks of them they don't come in, so it should be with the country as there is a responsibility to ensure (as closely as possible) the safety of its citizens. For instance in B.C. we have problems with gangs from one or two Asian countries, so I would say F**k them we don't let anymore in until we can figure out a way to more closely screen them to be sure we don't get any more gangsters. Not that hard where there's the will to it.
 

ironsides

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Isn't that what our Immigration Dept. is there for, to screen prospective immigrants? There are certain situations where being discriminatory is fair. Like when allowing people into your home, if I don't like the looks of them they don't come in, so it should be with the country as there is a responsibility to ensure (as closely as possible) the safety of its citizens. For instance in B.C. we have problems with gangs from one or two Asian countries, so I would say F**k them we don't let anymore in until we can figure out a way to more closely screen them to be sure we don't get any more gangsters. Not that hard where there's the will to it.


Wish it was that easy, would solve a lot of problems.
 

JLM

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Wish it was that easy, would solve a lot of problems.

Right on Ironsides, but I think the problem could be much more easily solvable IF people got over this obsession of being "politically correct"............let's be "politically safe" instead.
 

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I can see your point JLM and it is very similar to my own. So it only seems reasonable, I would agree, lol.
 

ironsides

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Right on Ironsides, but I think the problem could be much more easily solvable IF people got over this obsession of being "politically correct"............let's be "politically safe" instead.


In today's atmosphere politically safe would be the correct way to go. Our enemies (who ever they may be) use our own civil rights against us, what we are saying now helps them. (giving up one right for a safer right).
 

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In today's atmosphere politically safe would be the correct way to go. Our enemies (who ever they may be) use our own civil rights against us, what we are saying now helps them. (giving up one right for a safer right).

Your enemies are legion you can never prevail from behind a fence. Your civil rights are being attacked by your own government and no one else Ironsides. Relax nothing you've said helps anyone.:smile:
 

ironsides

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We could always put a wall around both the Palestinians and Israeli's and have them fight, winner take all. It would be to confined for nuclear, so things should be pretty fair. Nothing outsiders can do will solve the problem. Simple answer to a complex problem.

 

JLM

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We could always put a wall around both the Palestinians and Israeli's and have them fight, winner take all. It would be to confined for nuclear, so things should be pretty fair. Nothing outsiders can do will solve the problem. Simple answer to a complex problem.


That's as good of a solution as any, they've been going at it for 60 years.