CIA Official: No Proof Harsh Techniques Stopped Terror Attacks

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Spilling your guts will absolutely make the sting go away!

Next time you get pool water up your nose go to the nearest person and just let it all out. Not just your name rank and serial number... that won't make the sting go away. In fact... you may get more pool water up your nose... tell ALL your secrets... each one... then the sting goes away.
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I don't have a rank or serial, I'm going right to the really good stuff
I'll even make things up if that will ease the stinging, blurred vision, real tears, desire to sneeze but can't (that is the worst) etc.
 
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I witnessed water boarding. I didn't know what it was called at the time. To make a long story short we were having a class on interogation and what to say if we were captured etc. One Marine (there's always one) said he wouldn't crack under any circumstances. So the instructor said...

"OK... come down here then... take your shirt off... your t-shirt too... give me a few guys to hold him down...wrap the t-shirt around his head...a little tighter around his face...can you breathe fine Marine?"

"Yes Sgt."

"Good..."

The Sgt takes out his canteen and pours it over his face. Of course the Marine spazzes and he did not last long. After he was let up the Sgt. said that he would have recieved enough oxegyn to breathe and survive WHILE feeling like he was drowning.

Later I found out that was called water boarding.
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I did the same idiotic thing, I raised my hand to try it out before learning never raise your hand. Have to say, it is effective. Just glad that was my first and last experience with it.
 
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MHz said:
I don't have a rank or serial, I'm going right to the really good stuff
I'll even make things up if that will ease the stinging, blurred vision, real tears, desire to sneeze but can't (that is the worst) etc.
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In lieu of the rank and serial just give your home address and place of birth.

Lieing won't help... the sting doesn't go away. Besides quite a number of the things you spill will be known anyways. So when you start spilling your guts and you lie the sting doesn't go away as people may already know what you really did.
 
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EagleSmack said:
In lieu of the rank and serial just give your home address and place of birth.

Lieing won't help... the sting doesn't go away. Besides quite a number of the things you spill will be known anyways. So when you start spilling your guts and you lie the sting doesn't go away as people may already know what you really did.
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Too bad I couldn't get some info on the torturers wives just before my faked confession, I mean taped confession.

Lieing must always help, that's why so many people do it day in and day out.

Sounds like the same initial panic as when a scuba tank runs out (no intake) and the surface is some distance away. Unlike water=boarding as soon as you head to the surface the air that is there expands to more than a full breath of air.

So why not some cash and a free trip to some quiet spot in the world. Torture can't be all that cheap to do once all the costs are tallied up.
 
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Levin: Memos don't show what Cheney says they do

Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, says former Vice President Dick Cheney's claims -- that classified CIA memos show enhanced interrogation techniques like waterboarding worked -- are wrong.

Levin, speaking at the Foreign Policy Association's annual dinner in New York on Wednesday, said an investigation by his committee into detainee abuse charges over the use of the techniques -- now deemed torture by the Obama administration -- "gives the lie to Mr. Cheney's claims."
The Michigan Democrat told the crowd that the two CIA documents that Cheney wants released "say nothing about numbers of lives saved, nor do the documents connect acquisition of valuable intelligence to the use of abusive techniques."
"I hope that the documents are declassified, so that people can judge for themselves what is fact, and what is fiction," he added.
Justice Department documents released in April showed that Bush administration lawyers authorized the use of techniques such as sleep deprivation, slapping, stress positions and waterboarding, which produces the sensation of drowning.
President Obama formally banned the techniques by issuing an executive order requiring that the U.S. Army field manual be used as the guide for terror interrogations.

"I can stand here tonight and say without exception or equivocation that the United States of America does not torture," he told a joint session of Congress in February.

Cheney, who has become a vocal public defender of the Bush administration's controversial interrogation policies, had asked the Obama administration to declassify the documents so there can be a more "honest debate" on the Bush administration's decision to use them on suspected terrorists.
He argued that those techniques provided valuable intelligence that saved American lives, but critics say they amounted to the illegal torture of prisoners in U.S. custody
On May 14, the CIA rejected the former vice president's request.
CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano, in a written statement, said the two documents Cheney requested are the subject of two pending lawsuits seeking the release of documents related to the interrogation program, and cannot be declassified.
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Cheney wouldn't lie would he? 8O

Levin: Memos don't show what Cheney says they do - CNN.com
 
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MHz said:
Too bad I couldn't get some info on the torturers wives just before my faked confession, I mean taped confession.

Lieing must always help, that's why so many people do it day in and day out.

Sounds like the same initial panic as when a scuba tank runs out (no intake) and the surface is some distance away. Unlike water=boarding as soon as you head to the surface the air that is there expands to more than a full breath of air.

So why not some cash and a free trip to some quiet spot in the world. Torture can't be all that cheap to do once all the costs are tallied up.
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lol
We use bottled air in firefighting. Wifey dives. If what's in the tank is gone except for one breath's worth, it's gone except for one breath's worth. It's a closed system inside the tank. Completely independent of what's outside the tank including pressure.
 
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