The construction of the upper atmosphere.

[eanassir]

The construction of the gaseous layers (of the upper atmosphere)

The upper atmosphere which is above the troposphere.
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• The troposphere is the air: mixture of many gases: the nitrogen, the oxygen, the argon, water vapor, CO2 and other trace gases of the air or the troposphere.​

In this troposphere, there is the wind which mixes the gases of this lower part of the atmosphere. The storms and hurricanes belong to this troposphere, as is also the cloud which is drifted by the wind.

In this layer of the troposphere or the air, the temperature will decrease as long as we go up. This layer extends above the highest Everest mountain; the tops of the mountains are covered with ice because it is very cold there.

So, as long as we go up in this layer, the density of the air will decrease as will temperature decrease also.
The highest kind of the cloud (the cirrus cloud) generally is within this layer of the troposphere.
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• The stratosphere: lies above the troposphere. Here the things are reciprocal; it is contrary to the troposphere or the air.​

As long as we go up in this layer, the temperature will start to increase (but it will not rise above 0° C.]

There is no wind in this layer; therefore its constituents started to separate from each other, to form distinct layers. This is the layer preferred by pilots to fly with their jet airplanes there.

The construction of the layers of the sky (or the upper atmosphere):

1- The sky is constructed in layers one above another, and compacted in reciprocal manner, exactly like the building.

When we observe the builder or the mason, we shall see him put the bricks in order and systematically. He puts a brick and another one parallel to it, then he put another brick perpendicular to the first two, then another brick parallel to it.

Then he repeats this manner until he finishes the first raw, then he put the bricks of the second layer opposite to the bricks of the first raw. He binds all that with the cement.​

This is in the Quran 79: 27-33

أ أنتم أشدُّ خَلقاً أم السماءُ بناها ؟ رَفَعَ سَمكَها فَسوّاها .​

The explanation:
(Are you [ associaters, that deny the sending to the Hereafter] the harder to [re-]create, or is the sky that He did construct?
He raised its high [layers and lowered its low layers according to their different densities], and arranged it [in seven layers.])

Moreover, God said –be exalted –in the Quran 40: 64​

اللهُ الّذي جَعَلَ لكمُ الأرضَ قَراراً و السّماءَ بِناءً ​

The explanation:
(It is God Who has made for you the earth for a dwelling- place, and the sky (or heaven) for a structure [of gaseous layers one above another.] )
The “heaven” or “sky”, here, means the firmament or the gaseous heavens.​

2- The firmament or the gaseous heavens are erected up without any visible pillars (but indicates there are such invisible pillars, about which they will know in the future.​

This is in the Quran 31: 10​

خَلَقَ السّماواتِ بِغيرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَونَها، و ألقى في الأرضِ رواسيَ أنْ تَميدَ بِكم ...​

The explanation:
(He created the [gaseous] heavens without pillars you can see, and He cast on the earth firm [mountains], lest it sway irregularly with you …)​

3- The cloud belongs to the air or the troposphere; it is the boundary above which is the gaseous layers of the upper atmosphere.​

God –be exalted –says in the Quran, 2: 164

و تصريفِ الرّياحِ و السّحابِ المُسخَّرِ بينَ السّماءِ و الأرضِ لآياتٍ لِقومٍ يَعقِلون​

The explanation:
(And in the changing of winds, and in clouds that are subjected [into His service] between the sky [or heaven] and the earth, are signs to people who have sense.)

Here, God –be exalted – explained that the cloud is between the sky and the earth. So, the position of the sky is from the cloud up, while the position of the air is from the cloud down. Therefore, the wind [and the cloud] belongs or is related to the earth, not to the sky. ​

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[darkbeaver]

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Electric Gravity in an Electric Universe

 

[Socrates the Greek]

The construction of the gaseous layers (of the upper atmosphere)​

The upper atmosphere which is above the troposphere.​

• The troposphere is the air: mixture of many gases: the nitrogen, the oxygen, the argon, water vapor, CO2 and other trace gases of the air or the troposphere.

In this troposphere, there is the wind which mixes the gases of this lower part of the atmosphere. The storms and hurricanes belong to this troposphere, as is also the cloud which is drifted by the wind.

In this layer of the troposphere or the air, the temperature will decrease as long as we go up. This layer extends above the highest Everest mountain; the tops of the mountains are covered with ice because it is very cold there.​

So, as long as we go up in this layer, the density of the air will decrease as will temperature decrease also.
The highest kind of the cloud (the cirrus cloud) generally is within this layer of the troposphere.​

• The stratosphere: lies above the troposphere. Here the things are reciprocal; it is contrary to the troposphere or the air.

As long as we go up in this layer, the temperature will start to increase (but it will not rise above 0° C.]

There is no wind in this layer; therefore its constituents started to separate from each other, to form distinct layers. This is the layer preferred by pilots to fly with their jet airplanes there.​

The construction of the layers of the sky (or the upper atmosphere):​

1- The sky is constructed in layers one above another, and compacted in reciprocal manner, exactly like the building.​

When we observe the builder or the mason, we shall see him put the bricks in order and systematically. He puts a brick and another one parallel to it, then he put another brick perpendicular to the first two, then another brick parallel to it. ​

Then he repeats this manner until he finishes the first raw, then he put the bricks of the second layer opposite to the bricks of the first raw. He binds all that with the cement.​

This is in the Quran 79: 27-33

أ أنتم أشدُّ خَلقاً أم السماءُ بناها ؟ رَفَعَ سَمكَها فَسوّاها .​

The explanation:
(Are you [ associaters, that deny the sending to the Hereafter] the harder to [re-]create, or is the sky that He did construct?
He raised its high [layers and lowered its low layers according to their different densities], and arranged it [in seven layers.])​

Moreover, God said –be exalted –in the Quran 40: 64​

اللهُ الّذي جَعَلَ لكمُ الأرضَ قَراراً و السّماءَ بِناءً ​

The explanation:
(It is God Who has made for you the earth for a dwelling- place, and the sky (or heaven) for a structure [of gaseous layers one above another.] )
The “heaven” or “sky”, here, means the firmament or the gaseous heavens.​

2- The firmament or the gaseous heavens are erected up without any visible pillars (but indicates there are such invisible pillars, about which they will know in the future.​

This is in the Quran 31: 10​

خَلَقَ السّماواتِ بِغيرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَونَها، و ألقى في الأرضِ رواسيَ أنْ تَميدَ بِكم ...​

The explanation:
(He created the [gaseous] heavens without pillars you can see, and He cast on the earth firm [mountains], lest it sway irregularly with you …)​

3- The cloud belongs to the air or the troposphere; it is the boundary above which is the gaseous layers of the upper atmosphere.​

God –be exalted –says in the Quran, 2: 164

و تصريفِ الرّياحِ و السّحابِ المُسخَّرِ بينَ السّماءِ و الأرضِ لآياتٍ لِقومٍ يَعقِلون​

The explanation:
(And in the changing of winds, and in clouds that are subjected [into His service] between the sky [or heaven] and the earth, are signs to people who have sense.) ​

Here, God –be exalted – explained that the cloud is between the sky and the earth. So, the position of the sky is from the cloud up, while the position of the air is from the cloud down. Therefore, the wind [and the cloud] belongs or is related to the earth, not to the sky. ​

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Although you are initialed to your theocratic view of our existence is my view you are wrong. A tribal following that left many in the dark ages far behind.
You are entitled to your creationist beliefs, but the way you go on about science and then the Quran it makes it verry tireing to follow your drift.

Remember the mithology about Mosses parting the see while the people nade it to the other end? that is all mith, it never happened the way it was presented in the Ten Commandments.

The parting on the see was the affect of PLANET X being that it’s elliptical rotation around our solar system came the closest some 3000 years ego and is about to revisit its elliptical rotation which will bring PLANET X to a very close distance and may cause some extreme weather storms once again.



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[Dexter Sinister]

The parting on the see was the affect of PLANET X ...

That's no better science than what eanassir posted.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

That's no better science than what eanassir posted.

oooops
....................But tell me Dexter, Mosses did not have such immense ability to be Gods interpreter, or given the power by God to part the sea so people can cross to freedom. The bible has a lot of mythological fiber put into it.

 

[lone wolf]

Maybe he knew a dry path through the muskeg

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The bible has a lot of mythological fiber put into it.

Not just a lot. Most of it's mythological, including the basis of it, the claim that there's a supernatural being that has some interest in us. Both the Bible and the Quran are myths and fables reflecting a certain didactic and political agenda, but citing them as if they were legitimate history or science books, or predictions for future history, as about half a dozen people around here regularly do, is indefensible.

 

[L Gilbert]

Although you are initialed to your theocratic view of our existence is my view you are wrong. A tribal following that left many in the dark ages far behind.
You are entitled to your creationist beliefs, but the way you go on about science and then the Quran it makes it verry tireing to follow your drift.

Remember the mithology about Mosses parting the see while the people nade it to the other end? that is all mith, it never happened the way it was presented in the Ten Commandments.

The parting on the see was the affect of PLANET X being that it’s elliptical rotation around our solar system came the closest some 3000 years ego and is about to revisit its elliptical rotation which will bring PLANET X to a very close distance and may cause some extreme weather storms once again.



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lmao That's hilarious, Soc. Thanks for the laugh.

Um, you, too, eannsir.

 

[eanassir]

The Quran describes the firmament or the upper atmosphere as: building or construction.

The building: is the binding of the parts together and compacting them to each other.

What the builder does is that:

He lays the bricks in some systematic way by putting the cement between the individual bricks and between the rows of bricks.

Two parallel bricks, then two parallel bricks perpendicular to the first two bricks. And he goes on like this until he completes the first row of his building. Then he makes another layer in the same way.
If he does not lay the bricks to be perpendicular to each other, the parts will not compact together in efficient way, and the building will be weak.
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[When we study the gaseous layers of the atmosphere, we find each layer is opposite the arrangement of the layers just upper and lower to this particular layer.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/images/ozone2000/Layers.jpeg
Solar Activity Puffs Up Earth's Atmosphere
Troposphere: as you go up the temperature goes down.
Stratosphere: as you go up the temperature goes up.
And so on.]​

When the builder accomplishes some height of the wall, he makes some general binding layer of cement, which will bind all the layers that he made.​

When he wants to make the ceiling, of his building, firm and strong, he makes it in a convex shape like the dome.​

And if the building is high, he has to make some pillars to hold his building up.​

· Now, let us see what the Quran said about the firmament: they are firm and very firm, as in the Quran 78: 12​

وَبَنَيْنَا فَوْقَكُمْ سَبْعًا شِدَادًا​

The explanation:
(And [have We not] constructed above you seven firm [layers of gaseous heavens]?)​

• Another aya 51: 7​

وَالسَّمَاء ذَاتِ الْحُبُكِ
The explanation:

(By the sky with its [layers] arranged [one above another!])​

[I say: it may give a meaning of the compact and firm weaving.
In the weaving: one thread is passed under then below another thread and the two are tightly compacted together.]

It means: the layers of the gaseous upper atmosphere are compacted firmly to each other: one above another. ​

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[Cliffy]

It means: the layers of the gaseous upper atmosphere are compacted firmly to each other: one above another.

If you have to explain the joke, it loses its humour. If you are not going to listen to what others have to say, why do you keep coming here posting your nonsense? you know you are talking to a wall.

 

[L Gilbert]

Here it is in terms kids can even understand. They missed one but I am not sure the ionosphere is an actual layer of the atmosphere as much as a sublayer.
NWS JetStream - Layers of the Atmosphere
There are no definite boundaries between the layers nor is there one between the exosphere and space.

 

[eanassir]

It means: the layers of the gaseous upper atmosphere are compacted firmly to each other: one above another.

you know you are talking to a wall.

To a wall, yes indeed: a very good description :lol:

To what is behind the wall ?

For this reason, God ordered Moses to gather the Children of Israel, and to speak to the stone to yield water before them: this means the stone yields and they don't because of their hard hearts.

This is in the Quran 59: 21

لَوْ أَنزَلْنَا هَذَا الْقُرْآنَ عَلَى جَبَلٍ لَّرَأَيْتَهُ خَاشِعًا مُّتَصَدِّعًا مِّنْ خَشْيَةِ اللَّهِ وَتِلْكَ الْأَمْثَالُ نَضْرِبُهَا لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ​

The explanation:
(Had We sent down this Quran on a [rocky] mountain, surely you would have seen it humble itself and cleave asunder for fear of God,

[but the hearts of these Jews are harder than rocks.]

Such are the parables which We propound to men that they may reflect.)​

 

[eanassir]

The Stratosphere

IMO, the seven gaseous heavens mentioned in the Quran is the Stratosphere only: the stratosphere means the atmospheric layer that is "layered" or stratified.

This I think for the following reasons:

>> As long as we go up, the gaseous constiuents will be very thin, and the specific gravity will be very mild.

>> The stratosphere is calm and steady: no wind, no mixing of gases: because the temperature gets hotter as long as we go upward: i.e. the lowermost part of the stratosphere is cold and heavier, and the uppermost of the stratosphere is hotter and lighter in weight; therefore no wind here, but only may the convention streams upward and downward.

It is the habitation of the genie-kind races: seven races inhabiting the seven sublayers here; as in the Quran 23: 17

و لقد خَلَقْنا فوقَكم سبعَ طرائقَ ، و ما كُنّا عن الخلقِ غافِلِينَ ​

The explanation:
(And We have created above you seven passages [i.e. seven heavens]; nor are We heedless of creatures.)
So the “passages”, here, means the gaseous layers and who dwell therein, i.e. genies (or demons.)

>> The other point is that the layer above this stratosphere is full of meteors; and this is mentioned in the Quran about the genies who converted (they were Jews) and believed in Mohammed; they said as in the 72: 8-9 of the Quran:
وَأَنَّا لَمَسْنَا السَّمَاء فَوَجَدْنَاهَا مُلِئَتْ حَرَسًا شَدِيدًا وَشُهُبًا . وَأَنَّا كُنَّا نَقْعُدُ مِنْهَا مَقَاعِدَ لِلسَّمْعِ فَمَن يَسْتَمِعِ الْآنَ يَجِدْ لَهُ شِهَابًا رَّصَدًا
The explanation:
('And [we had ascended up in the space until] we had touched the [ethereal or spiritual] heaven [with our hands],
but had found it filled with stern guards [: angels] and meteors [under that heaven.]'

'We used [before the mission of Prophet Mohammed] to sit in some places [near] to the [ethereal heaven]

to listen [to the words of angels];

but anyone that listens now will find a meteor in wait [to pursue] him.')

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[lone wolf]

I didn't know Islam had missionaries....

 

[L Gilbert]

The stratospere seems to be only layered in terms of temperature and I am sure there are more than seven different temperatures.
Jets like wandering around in the stratosphere because it is a stable atmosphere concerning weather. As far as I know, none have flown into any angels or gods yet.

 

[ShintoMale]

it is the habitation of the genie-kind races: seven races inhabiting the seven sublayers here; as in the Quran 23: 17

where are the physical evidence for these races?

 

[L Gilbert]

They're invisible, like Allah. lol So we have no idea if they are there or not as there is no evidence of them.

 

[eanassir]

repeated and deleted.​

 

[eanassir]

Constituents of the seven gaseous heavens​

"The origin of the gaseous heavens is from the Earth itself, and that was when the Earth was a flaming sun; and the emergence of gases was in the form of smoke which was a mixture of seven gases [in addition to the constituents of the air or the troposphere].

And due to the fact that some of the gases are heavy, while some others are light; they started to separate from each other; because the heavy one came down while the light gas went up, till they became seven layers:

the first layer is the ozone gas [layer] about 25 miles away from us, the other layers came under it like the layers of the sulphur dioxide (SO2), the hydrogen, the helium and the rest of the gases.

This is roughly speaking, for we cannot know those gases exactly because we are on the Earth and the gases are high up in the sky. [it is very difficult to know exactly about these gases and these layers; scientists use the balloons and some indirect methods like the spectrum of the light reflection.

The indication, that the sky is gaseous, can be seen in the following Quranic revelation 41:11-12​

ثمّ استوى إلى السماءِ و هي دُخانٌ فقالَ لَها و لِلأرضِ ائتِيا طَوعاً أو كَرهاً قالتا أتَينا طائعِين. فقضاهنّ سبعَ سماواتٍ في يومَينِ ...​

The explanation: (Then He tended to [build*] the sky and it had been smoke; He said to it and to the earth, “Come, both of you, willingly or loath.” The two said, “We [all] have come obedient.” And He separated them into seven firmaments in two days.)
[*i.e. to make the layers of the gaseous sky distinctive and to build them, or to arrange them as successive layers.]

The interpretation:
>> (Then He tended to [build] the sky) means: the sky of the Earth,
>> (And it had been smoke) means the smoke that emerged from the Earth which was in fact a mixture of seven gases [in addition to the gases of the air or troposphere],
>> (He said to it) i.e. the sky [or the gaseous heaven]
>> (and to the earth, “Come, both of you,) to the gravitation
>> (willingly or loath.” The two said, “We [all] have come obedient” And He separated them) and made them
>> (seven firmaments); The explanation: He separated that smoke, and made it seven layers
>> (in two days), i.e. within a period of two thousand years; that is because one day of the Hereafter equals one thousand of our years.

The easiest way to classify these layers is by the temperature mode of increasing or decreasing, but by the constituents of the atmosphere, it will be better, in spite of that it is very difficult.​

http://universeandquran.t35.com/#The_Gaseous_Heavens​

 

[ShintoMale]

The earth was never a flaming sun to be a flaming sun a thermunuclear reaction should take place where hydrogen atoms fused to form heavier elements like Helium therefore the earth NEVER went under nuclear fusion to be a flaming sun