"Beware the ploys of the right," Homeland Security

Tonington

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So, in other words, ignore the potential for other folks like Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, or Michael Bray, or Bobby Frank Cherry? Because that's the proper thing to do...
 

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How come when Bush was in there was so much crap in these forums about a left-wing-controlled press? Why do folks need someone to blame to have something to say?

The sooner every one figures out that it is not the presidents or governments that control the press, it is the elites that get those people into power that control it, the sooner every ones eyes will open to the truth.

Homeland security is not building forces for the extremist they are building it for the average joe, who will soon become an extremist due to the laws that will be placed on him in the very near future.

As far as Janet Napolitano goes, I watched an interview with her on cbc last night, this lady is on crack. She still seems to insist that the 9/11 terrorists came accross the Canadian border. She would also like the border to have the same sort of laws and regulations as the Mexican border. (Hopefully they will put up a wall between us and them as well, one could only dream). The new laws that will go into affect which will require all land based crossings must be passport accompanied should be very interesting to say the least.
 

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As far as Janet Napolitano goes, I watched an interview with her on cbc last night, this lady is on crack. She still seems to insist that the 9/11 terrorists came accross the Canadian border.

You can lead a person to knowledge but you can't make them think!
 

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And just so there is no confusion. I still believe there were no 9/11 terrorists. Please, no thoughts on that, that's not what this thread is about......actually it is, but on a different level.
 

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Actually, I thought one of the purposes of this thread, besides parody, was to remind people what law enforcement in the States, and CSIS and the RCMP in Canada, have known for years - that right-wing paramilitary groups, militias, white-supremacists, neo-nazis pose far greater a threat to security than those who espouse peace and brotherhood!
 

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So, in other words, ignore the potential for other folks like Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, or Michael Bray, or Bobby Frank Cherry? Because that's the proper thing to do...


See how quickly the Left is willing to give up their rights because they are afraid of what a very small percentage might or may not do. Wonder how many non veterans were and are mass murders. Lets get everybody on the books, Canadians included. The ultra left really are a bunch of cowards. There it is I've said live with it.

 

ironsides

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Actually, I thought one of the purposes of this thread, besides parody, was to remind people what law enforcement in the States, and CSIS and the RCMP in Canada, have known for years - that right-wing paramilitary groups, militias, white-supremacists, neo-nazis pose far greater a threat to security than those who espouse peace and brotherhood!


II worry more about the far Socialist Left that is now running the U.S. We are fast becoming Democratic/Socialistic, following the path of Chavez, only much faster. Obama has done more in 100 days than Chavez had done in his first 2 years. Now they are talking about nationalizing the banking system. The very people who were part of it's down fall. (the people Obama appointed)
 

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II worry more about the far Socialist Left that is now running the U.S. We are fast becoming Democratic/Socialistic, following the path of Chavez, only much faster. Obama has done more in 100 days than Chavez had done in his first 2 years. Now they are talking about nationalizing the banking system. The very people who were part of it's down fall. (the people Obama appointed)

Have you ever heard of mirroring? You are as much of a paranoid right wing fruit loop as you are accusing the left wing of being.8O:roll:
 

ironsides

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Cliffy,

It is not the right who wants to monitor your every move. Never mind what was (Bush tried it and was stopped), we now have the other side trying to do it. Of course, let someone else protect me at the cost of my freedom, don't think so. I do not want to control anybody thru goverment as long as everyone is treated equal. Time to let go of Big Brother and grow up. The left in the U.S. are using this economic crisis to get involved in everything. We talked once about libertarians, to a point that is a good philosophy to follow. This Janet Napolitano that Obama appointed is no more qualified to head Homeland Security than he is. I would like to see Homeland Security abolished, let the other Federal agencies handle it. Was never in favor of it, plus it would save us a lot of money.
 

CDNBear

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Hey Bear, hope you don't mind if I borrow your title for this thread;-)
You Ton? Never an issue bru...
Just beware the extremists in general!
Wiser words will not be spoke in this thread.

I figured it probably would be. The idea has merit though doesn't it?
Yes it does.

It makes more logical sense that extremist right wing groups would represent a larger threat with a liberal President, doesn't it?
They represented a serious threat under a wing nut like Bush Jr, Bush Sr, Reagan and so on. They are radical and they are armed. They take the Constitution seriously. Well the parts that thy like anyways...;-)

I don't read it as a slight against conservatives, just for those that embrace the fringe nonsense.
Bingo!!! But that won't stop the left fringe from pinning it to anyone that disagrees with them...;-)

With the recent messaging and framing of some conservative minded folks, like Glenn Beck's meltdown, or Chuck Norris and his statements, it's not a surprise to me that DHS would be interested in what kind of threats these represent.
They should have focused on them years ago.

Weren't there some environmentalists under surveillance a few years ago in your neck of the woods? I thought it was somewhere in New England.
There's actually a few enviro groups under the watchful eyes of the FBI.

The landscape has changed...
I disagree, there's just a new catalyst. The danger was always there.

The landscape has changed, but the the smoldering hate on the far right is very evident. It's a pity, but the spillover is present here in Canada. They cry "patriotism" to cloak their anger. I have very little patience for their "arguments."
No body has any patience for the fringe left, that may not be armed to the teeth, but would sell us out to those who are...;-)

Do they call themselves Brownshirts or Sturmabteilung?
:roll:

No, but anyone that wishes to be mature can view their names here...

Militia Links

Not the name of the link.

How come when Bush was in there was so much crap in these forums about a left-wing-controlled press?
Because there needs to be balance?

Why do folks need someone to blame to have something to say?
It's fun?

So, in other words, ignore the potential for other folks like Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, or Michael Bray, or Bobby Frank Cherry? Because that's the proper thing to do...
Not at all. But funny how the left, not the fringe, but rather the moderate and mindful, that run org's like the ACLU. Will defend the fringe, no matter the political spectrun, to the bitter end.

You can lead a person to knowledge but you can't make them think!
The left fringe is a fine example of that...;-)

Actually, I thought one of the purposes of this thread, besides parody, was to remind people what law enforcement in the States, and CSIS and the RCMP in Canada, have known for years - that right-wing paramilitary groups, militias, white-supremacists, neo-nazis pose far greater a threat to security than those who espouse peace and brotherhood!
This is true, but the fringe left only hides behind that 'peace and brotherhood' mantra. In the end, the values they 'espouse', would and will do more damge to not only western society, but themselves as well.

You see, it doesn't matter what side of the fringe political spectrum you sit on. If you are a fringe, you are dangerous, period.

Fringe denotes a lack of objectivity. Which is seen daily on these boards. Where people, not unlike yourself, ignore fact, history and common sense, while spewing racism and blind ideology...

Just like the fringe right.

See how quickly the Left is willing to give up their rights because they are afraid of what a very small percentage might or may not do.
Woa!!! The fringe left?

I think not...


The left fought tooth and nail against the Patriot act and rightly so! The fringe just hung on for the ride, but they certainly would not give up their civil liberies! They ride them like a town bike. Using them for all manners of ill advised schemes and scandals.

Wonder how many non veterans were and are mass murders.
I wonder how many come home menatlly wounded and easily suseptable to be recruited?

Lets get everybody on the books, Canadians included. The ultra left really are a bunch of cowards.
I agree, and I add, you were easy on them.

There it is I've said live with it.
That's because we have convictions that make the whole picture and the well being of those we've served, the most important part of our ideologies. Compound that with our inate sense of right and wrong, our passion for the things we've sworn to up hold, like free speech and so on.
 

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Fringe denotes a lack of objectivity. Which is seen daily on these boards. Where people, not unlike yourself, ignore fact, history and common sense, while spewing racism and blind ideology...

Just like the fringe right.

Nonsense! You are a strange one. I have never promoted racism.

However, you try to squelch free speech on these forums!
 

VanIsle

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Nonsense! You are a strange one. I have never promoted racism.

However, you try to squelch free speech on these forums!
I wanted to give you the "thumb's up" because I know you are not at all racist but it won't let me unless I give some to someone else first. ;-)
 

Tonington

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See how quickly the Left is willing to give up their rights because they are afraid of what a very small percentage might or may not do. Wonder how many non veterans were and are mass murders. Lets get everybody on the books, Canadians included. The ultra left really are a bunch of cowards. There it is I've said live with it.


Who said anything about giving up rights? Not I. In your own country, it was the dubious "left wing" that was outraged and fought against the erosion of rights and freedoms, while the march to the war drums was parroted by the dubious "right wing," calling those who didn't follow suit unpatriotic. In some cases, calling them treasonous, calling for some of these people to be shot.

You have to be concerned about what the small percentage do. Outliers are where you need to be most concerned. Do you think most people are terrorists? No? How many? Should you ignore that number? No? So what should your authorities do? If they were named Al Zabib Mahehra or something like that, would you feel any different?

Let the extreme right wing folks be upset at this. That is after all what the DHS was looking into. Why do you care to defend the fringe folks in your society from scrutiny? It's not just you, the left wingers do the same...
 

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I wanted to give you the "thumb's up" because I know you are not at all racist but it won't let me unless I give some to someone else first. ;-)

Thank you, Islandpacific! That type of accusation is not only false but it verges on the viciously ridiculous. Why the moderators allow a free pass on this type of innuendo is beyond me!
 

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It seems to me that it doesn't matter if individuals are right or left lunatic fringe. The Bush administration and the Obama administration are financed by the same people. Neither government was left or right. They are both just puppets of the ruling class and your personal political views are meaningless to them.
The right wing see the government as left, the left wing see the government as right. They must be in the middle (of what, I'm not sure - probably a shyte pile).
 

gerryh

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yup....pretty sad when the government of the most powerfull nation in the world is just a puppet of the elite and the general population has no say or control.:roll:
 

ironsides

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How come when Bush was in there was so much crap in these forums about a left-wing-controlled press? Why do folks need someone to blame to have something to say?


Because there was a extreme influence upon the media by the Left, it hasen't changed. The Left for the most part control what we read.
 

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Thank you, Islandpacific! That type of accusation is not only false but it verges on the viciously ridiculous. Why the moderators allow a free pass on this type of innuendo is beyond me!

The fringe also ignores context. You seem to have unwittingly supported CB's statements.
 

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To those who understand, we live in a society that allows FREE speech. To all others, here is a definition of free speech.

"Liberty to express opinions and ideas without hindrance, and especially without fear of punishment. Despite the constitutional guarantee of free speech in the United States, legal systems have not treated freedom of speech as absolute. Among the more obvious restrictions on the freedom to say just what one likes where one likes are laws regulating incitement, sedition, defamation, slander and libel, blasphemy, the expression of racial hatred, and conspiracy. The liberal tradition has generally defended freedom of the sort of speech which does not violate others' rights or lead to predictable and avoidable harm, but it has been fierce in that defence because a free interchange of ideas is seen as an essential ingredient of democracy and resistance to tyranny, and as an important agent of improvement. The distinction between an action falling under the description of speech and one which does not is not clear cut, because many non-verbal actions can be seen as making a statement—for example, burning a flag or destroying a symbol. Again, valued freedom of speech embraces publication—writing, broadcasting, distributing recordings—as well as oral delivery of ideas."
— Andrew Reeve

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