Canada more democratic than the U.S.?

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1 People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality.

An rich English Canadian can still hire a poor English Canadian to work for him. He can't even communicate with the French Canadian. Beteen nations, division can be complete.Though here we can also understand nations along ethnic lines. In this sence, an English Canadian and an Englishman are closer than an English Canadian and a French Canadian, unless one knows the culture of the other. THis was just a statement of fact in my mind, not necessarily an ideal. In that respect, I don't even see how it could reflect ones policical beliefs.

A wealthy American, a wealthy Canadian, a wealthy Mexican, a poor American, a poor Canadian and a poor Mexican are sitting in a room together. You honestly think they will gravitate to each other based on their nationality?
 

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Seeing how right-wing I'd turned out in the test, I'd like to know how you'd classify the folliwng (right/left, libertarian/authoritarian):

Free movement of labour.

Shared military force along with reduced military spending.

Strict respect for international law.

Shared common currency.

Common citizenship.

Easier access to immigration.

recognition of the equality of all languages before the law, with the use of an international auxiliary language for international communication.

None of these were dealt with directly in the test. But I'm wondering how you figure they would have influenced the final score if they were included.
 

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Possessing marijuana for personal use should not be a criminal offence.

Marijuana is addictive. We need to protect people from themselves too. Should opium be legal?

I believe your body is yours and you should be able to do with it as you choose. I don't need your protection nor do I want it.
 

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A wealthy American, a wealthy Canadian, a wealthy Mexican, a poor American, a poor Canadian and a poor Mexican are sitting in a room together. You honestly think they will gravitate to each other based on their nationality?

Depends. if we difine nationality along ethnic lines, then if the Canadians are English Canadians, and the Americans too, they'd likely gravitate towards one another just because they could communicate with one another. Of course the wealthy Mexican might be better educated and know English, in which case he might gravitate into that group too. The poor Mexican is likely to be left out unless the wealthy Mexian decides to hang out with him. If the Canadians are French Canadians who barely speak English, they'll likely create their own group.

So over all, I would say that nationality is more likely to trump class than the other way around. Though granted this is based on the assuption that nationality and ethnic boundaries more or less overlap.
 

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Well, I am pretty sure you posted something very similar before. I posted a response to it, but I don’t remember what it was.

Upon checking back I've found you are quite right, I did post something very similar. You'll find as you age you can never predict just exactly when these Alzheimers attacks are going to occur. :lol::lol:
 

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But again, read my interpretation of religion in this context. Sometimes I use a different interpretation, but here it seemed that a person who believes in nothing but money, even if he calls himself religious, cannot be trusted. He can scam you for all you're worth.

But if an atheist comes along and he believes in justice and charity, and strongly believes in it, that is a religious feeling of sorts, and I'd trust him even if he says he doesn't have a religion. According to my understanding, he does have a religion though he could disagree with me if he wishes. As for the one who worships money, he can call himself religious all he wants, but i don't consider that religious. To me, religion is a deeper sence not necessarily attributable to this or that religion.

But again is it about money or social values..

The question is simple..

You cannot be moral without being religious.

Even if you look at it from a money perspective, how many huslers are out there taking money from the poor in the name of the Lord ? Do they have morals ?
 

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I believe your body is yours and you should be able to do with it as you choose. I don't need your protection nor do I want it.

You may not want it. But if I see you lying on the street begging for your next shot of Heroin, if it is in my power, I would take away your freedom to have access to it until you are free from it, and only then let you go free again.
 

Machjo

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But again is it about money or social values..

The question is simple..

You cannot be moral without being religious.

Even if you look at it from a money perspective, how many huslers are out there taking money from the poor in the name of the Lord ? Do they have morals ?

THe question is how you interpret religious. To me, an athiest who has a higher belief in justice is religious, just as the hypocritical preacher isn't.
 

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Seeing how right-wing I'd turned out in the test, I'd like to know how you'd classify the folliwng (right/left, libertarian/authoritarian):

Free movement of labour. RIGHT/LIBERTARIAN

Shared military force along with reduced military spending. LIBERTARIAN/RIGHT

Strict respect for international law. AUTHORITARIAN

Shared common currency. RIGHT

Common citizenship. - RIGHT

Easier access to immigration. - LIBERTARIAN

recognition of the equality of all languages before the law, with the use of an international auxiliary language for international communication. - LIBERTARIAN

None of these were dealt with directly in the test. But I'm wondering how you figure they would have influenced the final score if they were included.

Just off the top of my head.
 

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2 It's a sad reflection on our society that something as basic as drinking water is now a bottled, branded consumer product.

Drinking water is available through our faucets too. I don't see how bottling it reduces our access to it in faucets.

Why would you need to buy it in a bottle? Because the quality at the tap in inadequate. The left would say fix the public water supply. The right would say private enterprise can supply the drinking water.
 

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You may not want it. But if I see you lying on the street begging for your next shot of Heroin, if it is in my power, I would take away your freedom to have access to it until you are free from it, and only then let you go free again.

So you favor locking up people on drugs?
 

Francis2004

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Why would you need to buy it in a bottle? Because the quality at the tap in inadequate. The left would say fix the public water supply. The right would say private enterprise can supply the drinking water.

What about bringing drinking what to areas where water is either polluted ( hurricane ) or just dried up ? That is the way I viewed my answer..
 

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Seeing how right-wing I'd turned out in the test, I'd like to know how you'd classify the folliwng (right/left, libertarian/authoritarian):

Free movement of labour. RIGHT/LIBERTARIAN

Interesting. Why right? I would have thought of it as counter-nationalist. After all, the left does not recommend restrictions on movement of labour between provinces, so why would it be neither left nor right within Canada but right between countries? Libertarian I can agree with.


Shared military force along with reduced military spending. LIBERTARIAN/RIGHT

Again, reduced military spending could be seen as libertarian, but I would have thought demilitarization to be more of a left-leaning thing. The NDP tends to oppose it while Libs and Cons support it more.

Strict respect for international law. AUTHORITARIAN

That I can agree with. That's my authoritarian side.

Shared common currency. RIGHT

Shared common currency would eliminate the mibddle men who get rich doing nothing but buy and sell money. You'd think the NDP would be jumping with joy at something like this. Again, I don't see why it would be a right-leaning thing necessarily.

Common citizenship. - RIGHT

Even the left supports common citizenship within Canada. And seeing that we usually attribute nationalism to the right, I would have thought that common citizenship, which would essentially give freedom of movement to all on earth, would appeal to the left which supports easier immigration, no?

Easier access to immigration. - LIBERTARIAN

Isn't easier access to immigration just a milder form of common world citizenship? So if this one is libertarian, why is the other right?

recognition of the equality of all languages before the law, with the use of an international auxiliary language for international communication. - LIBERTARIAN

That's a tough one. Equality of all languages? Libertarian. A common auxiliary language? Authoritarian? So I suppose they'd just couerbalance one another like ying and yang?
 
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Francis2004

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THe question is how you interpret religious. To me, an athiest who has a higher belief in justice is religious, just as the hypocritical preacher isn't.

Say what.. You been smoking that stuff you want illegal :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Serioulsy though.. An Athiest is an Athiest in a test.. A religious person is religious.. You cannot change the meaning to suit your needs.. You are either Moral or not..
 

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What about bringing drinking what to areas where water is either polluted ( hurricane ) or just dried up ? That is the way I viewed my answer..

I'd understood it similarly. We can have tap water at home, but what if I'm going cycling for the day. I could fill up at home before leaving. But what if I'm gone for many days? I might not want to carry so much water and prefer to buy some on the way. Though granted we could agrue that free water must always be available. Fine. Water fountain at the local libarry. But if you go out of civilization into the forest, then you're on your own. So it woud seem we both 'read too much' into the quesiton.

But that'sthe questioners' fault. They shold have made each quesiton so christal clear that error ould be impossible.
 

Machjo

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Say what.. You been smoking that stuff you want illegal :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Serioulsy though.. An Athiest is an Athiest in a test.. A religious person is religious.. You cannot change the meaning to suit your needs.. You are either Moral or not..

Fine. Then I should have voted 'disagree' if we insist on that interpretation.
 

Machjo

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I still can't beleive that the ideas that I'd presented above Canuck considers more right than left. I'd always thought of them as more left-leaning.