Canada more democratic than the U.S.?

[wulfie68]

Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.69

I'm not surprised to be slightly left of center according to this: I do believe in strict regulation of corporations (particularly environmental and safety) and corporate responsibility to the community that allows it to thrive, principles which don't mesh well with right wing economics. I actually played with some of the answers that I was iffy on (i.e. things rehabilitation being more important than punishment of crimes: to me they're equal in importance, although I do believe some can't be rehabbed) and found my libertarian/authoritarian can move up a bit into the shallow authoritarian range, but I'm pretty much hugging that center line on the left side.

 

[Machjo]

You haven't already? I always thought this was you

This guy really does look too moderate. Look closely, and you can even distinguish his clothes from his tattoos. You can even see some skin. And hair!

You know, I bet he'd oppose a pre-emptive nuclear strike to avoid a potential trade dispute.

 

[Machjo]

The Reform wanted equal representation. This doesn't mean 10 Senators for every province and territory, because that would be unequal representation.

Tonington, my understanding is that Reform Party wanted the triple E senate, equal, elected and effective. They wanted equal number of senators for each province (modeled after US senate).

I'm actually about as far left as Colpy (though about 5 times greater libertarian) turned out

That means you belong to the right.

Democratic reform does not make you right wing. That is ludicrous.

I agree. However, Senate reform, along with call for referendums, opposition to equal right for gays (Reform opposed the Chrétien legislation to ban discrimination against gays), taken all these things together, it definitely makes Reform party right wing.

And as to equal senate, that was part of the pattern of Reform Party blindly following USA (the motto of the far right is, everything American, good, everything Canadian, bad). Their demand for equal Senate was modeled after US equal Senate. Same as their demand for referendums was patterned after US style referendums.

Support for a triple e senate would not have made the Reform Party any more or less right or left that it was already. Its view of gays might have. But support for a triple e senate in and of itself is irrelevent. A socialist party could have supported it just as easily.

Now as for the right blindly supporting the USA, or saying that everything Canadian is bad, is hogwash. I'm sure plenty of Canadian fiscal conservatives admire Canada's fiscal policy more than they do the US'. And I'm sure some Canadian traditionalists would prefer the monarchy over an elected president. Fiscal conservativism is accepted by many on the right, as is traditionalism.

 

[Colpy]

The Reform Party was certainly a right-wing party, even by self-definition, and it certainly attracted members from the far-right.

Colpy, so even you agree that Reform (and Alliance, which had pretty much similar policies) was a right wing party, and not centre right party. At least That is something.

Reading Comprehension 101:

When did I ever say they weren't a right wing part? You called them "far-right" and called Ezra Levant an "extremist".

Now, I know it is very liberal of me , but I don't call anyone "extremist" if they truely belief in liberty, democracy, and rule of law.

And "centre-right" is slightly to the right of centre, exactly where Reform was........but it is still right wing, only slightly so.

As for attracting the far right........people are constantly involved in parties where they don't belong.....far rightists did not belong in Reform, and moved on. David Orchard did not belong in the PC Party, much less the CPC........and you were aware Ernst Zundel ran for the leadership of the Liberal Party in 1968, were you not?????

 

[Machjo]

This is my second attempt at the thing. Since some of the statements are so open to interpretation, I'd tried the questions again but anwering some of them differently according to alternative interpretations. I figured taht could push more to the left than before. It pushed me further right instead!

How does it jusdge left and right anyway? I'm starting to look like a right fascist now ain't I!

 

[RanchHand]

I think I rank a little higher on the facist scale than I would liked to have seen.

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.62

 

[Machjo]

I love that test. Those of us who consider ourselves to the right end up on the left, and those who'd consider ourselves to the left end up on the right. Gotta love it.

 

[Machjo]

I think another flaw in the test is the lack of questions in it. Though I do believe in certain controls on businesses, I don't necessarily believe in the controls recommended in the test. That could also explain why I eded up more on the right neo-liberal side.

 

[Machjo]

I think I rank a little higher on the facist scale than I would liked to have seen.

Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.62

Welcome to the show. So I'm a right-wing fascist and you're a Stalinist. We'll get along well, I'm sure.:smile:

 

[Ron in Regina]

8O

This is my second attempt at the thing. Since some of the statements are so open to interpretation, I'd tried the questions again but anwering some of them differently according to alternative interpretations. I figured taht could push more to the left than before. It pushed me further right instead!

How does it jusdge left and right anyway? I'm starting to look like a right fascist now ain't I!

So....are you the Right-Wing Extremist we've all heard about Machjo? 8O
You don't eat babies or anything, right?
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[Colpy]

This is my second attempt at the thing. Since some of the statements are so open to interpretation, I'd tried the questions again but anwering some of them differently according to alternative interpretations. I figured taht could push more to the left than before. It pushed me further right instead!

How does it jusdge left and right anyway? I'm starting to look like a right fascist now ain't I!

It's Colpy: I'm ROTFLMAO.

 

[Machjo]

8O


So....are you the Right-Wing Extremist we've all heard about Machjo? 8O
You don't eat babies or anything, right?
__________________

Hey, lay off. I'm just as shocked and embarrassed by this thing as you are shocked by it. I'm still recouperating from the original shock! I really don't get it.

Hmmm... I'll have to share my answers with you guys to see how I ended up this close to the Swastika!

 

[Machjo]

I did find this to give me some idea for comparison... but there's no one in my quadrant!

 

[Ron in Regina]

Hey, lay off. I'm just as shocked and embarrassed by this thing as you are shocked by it. I'm still recouperating from the original shock! I really don't get it.

Hmmm... I'll have to share my answers with you guys to see how I ended up this close to the Swastika!

???????????????????????????????????????????

 

[JLM]

I tried it & came out a slightly south west of dead center, so am not sure if I'm good, bad or ugly.

 

[Francis2004]

OK so I seem to be close to everyone else..


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[JLM]

One problem is you are a little limited to answers, there should have been a 5th answer "depends".

 

[Ron in Regina]

I tried it & came out a slightly south west of dead center, so am not sure if I'm good, bad or ugly.

Is there an option "D"?

I was a bit shocked at my results too. I'm somewhere over
by The Dalai Lama and Colpy and Nelson Mandela and
Cannuck and Lone Wolf....and Ghandi has to be over here
somewhere with the rest of us.....
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[Francis2004]

Is there an option "D"?

I was a bit shocked at my results too. I'm somewhere over
by The Dalai Lama and Colpy and Nelson Mandela and
Cannuck and Lone Wolf....and Ghandi has to be over here
somewhere with the rest of us.....
________________________

Yup next to me....

 

[Machjo]

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X Strongly AgreeMultinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries. Strongly Disagree
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X Strongly AgreeMaking peace with the establishment is an important aspect of maturity. Strongly Disagree
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