British MP banned from entering Canada

[Colpy]

Just saw on the CBC News.....Galloway not only funneled humanitarian aid to Hamas.....but cash. That makes him a fundraiser....illegal in Canada.

I've changed my mind.

Let him in.

Arrest him. Refuse him bail because he is a flight risk. Throw in jail, keep him there incommunicado awaiting trial......until the Brits really insist on getting him back, or 6 months, whichever comes first. Then escort him to the airport and throw him out....

We get peace from listening to the moron, and the satisfaction of demonstrating our disapproval of his actions.

He gets his martyr ticket punched, and has reason to whine for decades.

He will never come back to canada.

Everybody is happy.

Damn, I missed my calling: I shoulda been a diplomat.

Just call me Solomon the Magnificent.

 

[OkiefromMuskoki]

To Running Bear and the guy that can't spell Canuck.....You are both on ignore. Reason....you refuse to provide any links or sources to back up your opinions (which you try to present as facts). Mixing up "hate laws" with the Anti Terrorism Act only shows either 1: Your lack of research or 2: A deliberate attempt to cloud the issue.

I also notice a lack of (backed up) response to (properly backed up) earth_as_one posts so maybe it is simply the culture here that "opinion" is enough.

Colpy...Your worshippers seem to indicate I should be in awe and/or intimidated by you. Actually, you have shown yourself capable of presenting sources to back up your claims.

Re Galloway " not only funneled humanitarian aid to Hamas.....but cash." I would appreciate a link to the CBC article. I am a great believer in law, and up to this point, IMO, most here want only to use the law as a excuse to keep out someone they deem undesirable. If Galloway, did indeed hand cash to official Hamas representatives, then IMO he probably is in violation of the Anti Terrorism Act and can be justly refused entry.

Whether the law is just or not is another story. I also have not responded to your claim (supported) that Hamas and other Arab officials desire "all Jews dead". This is a complex issue and worthy of a thread of it's own.

Apologies if there is already a thread on this or if I have overlooked earlier posts but I have another life (than on forums) and I (being a news freak) spend way too much time reading (online) the Jerusalem Post, Haaretz, Arutz Sheva, Debkafile, Al Jazeera, Palestine Chronicle, Alaribya, Al-Manar, The Palestine Information Centre, The Toronto Star, The Globe and Mail and others. The propaganda machine on the Israeli side is unbelievably effective. The downside is that there appears to be as much bigoted hate (and demonization) in Israel against Arab as there is in Arab countries against Israel. I really do hold Israel to a greater standard.

Northern Ireland has shown us all that this type of hatred can be overcome and will disappear quickly if given a chance.

 

[Spade]

To Running Bear and the guy that can't spell Canuck.....You are both on ignore. Reason....you refuse to provide any links or sources to back up your opinions (which you try to present as facts). Mixing up "hate laws" with the Anti Terrorism Act only shows either 1: Your lack of research or 2: A deliberate attempt to cloud the issue.

I also notice a lack of (backed up) response to (properly backed up) earth_as_one posts so maybe it is simply the culture here that "opinion" is enough.

Colpy...Your worshippers seem to indicate I should be in awe and/or intimidated by you. Actually, you have shown yourself capable of presenting sources to back up your claims.

Re Galloway " not only funneled humanitarian aid to Hamas.....but cash." I would appreciate a link to the CBC article. I am a great believer in law, and up to this point, IMO, most here want only to use the law as a excuse to keep out someone they deem undesirable. If Galloway, did indeed hand cash to official Hamas representatives, then IMO he probably is in violation of the Anti Terrorism Act and can be justly refused entry.

Whether the law is just or not is another story. I also have not responded to your claim (supported) that Hamas and other Arab officials desire "all Jews dead". This is a complex issue and worthy of a thread of it's own.

Apologies if there is already a thread on this or if I have overlooked earlier posts but I have another life (than on forums) and I (being a news freak) spend way too much time reading (online) the Jerusalem Post, Haaretz, Arutz Sheva, Debkafile, Al Jazeera, Palestine Chronicle, Alaribya, Al-Manar, The Palestine Information Centre, The Toronto Star, The Globe and Mail and others. The propaganda machine on the Israeli side is unbelievably effective. The downside is that there appears to be as much bigoted hate (and demonization) in Israel against Arab as there is in Arab countries against Israel. I really do hold Israel to a greater standard.

Northern Ireland has shown us all that this type of hatred can be overcome and will disappear quickly if given a chance.

Well said!

 

[Cannuck]

The downside is that there appears to be as much bigoted hate (and demonization) in Israel against Arab as there is in Arab countries against Israel.

Well, you're learnin'. My work is almost done.

I really do hold Israel to a greater standard.

Why, do you think Jews are somehow more evolved or sophisticated then Arabs? Or perhaps that just allows you to justify your one-sided criticism...don't bother answering, I already know your reasons.

BTW - I know how to spell Canuck but why would I spell Cannuck, Canuck. That would be just plain silly.

 

[Colpy]

Colpy...Your worshippers seem to indicate I should be in awe and/or intimidated by you. Actually, you have shown yourself capable of presenting sources to back up your claims.

Re Galloway " not only funneled humanitarian aid to Hamas.....but cash." I would appreciate a link to the CBC article. I am a great believer in law, and up to this point, IMO, most here want only to use the law as a excuse to keep out someone they deem undesirable. If Galloway, did indeed hand cash to official Hamas representatives, then IMO he probably is in violation of the Anti Terrorism Act and can be justly refused entry.

Whether the law is just or not is another story. I also have not responded to your claim (supported) that Hamas and other Arab officials desire "all Jews dead". This is a complex issue and worthy of a thread of it's own.


Northern Ireland has shown us all that this type of hatred can be overcome and will disappear quickly if given a chance.

First of all, I don't have "worshippers" on thiese forum....nobody here is THAT twisted....I do have some friends......

The posts to Gopher above and the one suggesting they arrest Galloway were tongue-in-cheek....obviously.

CBC News requested an interview with Kenney on Sunday, but his office said he was unavailable and released a statement reiterating his position.
"The minister will not give a special exemption from Canada's security laws to Mr. Galloway, nor will he provide special treatment to a man who brags about giving financial support to Hamas, a banned terrorist organization in Canada, or who offers sympathy for Canada's enemies in Afghanistan," said the statement.

Positions I completely agree with.

British MP says decision to ban him from Canada was inappropriate

BTW, as for Ireland and an end to hate? You are more than a little premature, IMHO, to announce the end of 500 years of hatred in less than a decade...........talk to me in a century.

 

[CDNBear]

To Running Bear and the guy that can't spell Canuck.....You are both on ignore. Reason....you refuse to provide any links or sources to back up your opinions (which you try to present as facts). Mixing up "hate laws" with the Anti Terrorism Act only shows either 1: Your lack of research or 2: A deliberate attempt to cloud the issue.

Thanx for confirming you can not read. Way to go.

I guess you missed this post...

Quoting OkiefromMuskoki You mean you're arguing this and have no idea what the facts are?

You've made some ridiculous claims without any evidence whatever to back them up. If I claim I have elves in my garden, is it up to you to prove I don't?

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Not as ridiculous as you and yours...

TORONTO — Canada has banned an outspoken anti-war British lawmaker from the country on grounds, officials said Friday.
George Galloway is well known in Britain for his opposition to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. He was due to give a speech in Toronto on March 30.
A spokesman for Canadian Immigration Minister Jason Kenney said Canadian border officials made the decision because Galloway constitutes a national security threat.
The government will not overturn the decision for someone "who only recently bragged about providing financial support for Hamas, which is a banned terrorist organization in Canada," Alykhan Velshi said.

That's enough proof for me.

And since I've heard no mutterings about a libel or defamation of character suit in the works from Galloway.

I suspect, it is a correct and documented statement.

I much prefer getting quotes right from the horses mouth, ass, in this case. But like I tried to convey to you in an earlier post. It's hard to sift through the fringe BS at the moment. There's a ton of people like you out there babbling about the internet about this and to Google Galloway at the moment. Is tantamount to Google'ing the word 'porn'. Hard to find the stuff you want.

But at any rate. Your cheese awaits you on the floor. Still got your cracker?

I also notice a lack of (backed up) response to (properly backed up) earth_as_one posts so maybe it is simply the culture here that "opinion" is enough.

:lol:
Like eao's cut and pastes aren't contrived shyte 99% of the time...:roll:

Colpy...Your worshippers seem to indicate I should be in awe and/or intimidated by you. Actually, you have shown yourself capable of presenting sources to back up your claims.

Cannuck and I did too. You're just to hurt to admit it.

But since I'm on ignore...I guess this is all moot...

BTW, My name is Bear, I'm of Native Canadian blood. If you continue to use mocking Native names to refer to me. I will be forced to consider you a bigot. I already consider you a moron. So, it won't be much of a stretch...

Have a nice day Okie...

 

[Machjo]

You are kidding right? He's a know and self confessed supporter of a listed terrorist group. Kind of like yourself. Unlike yourself, he doesn't hide his stupidity.

A matter of Canadian law, to which he is in breach, has been enforced. It applies to all people. It has been enforced against Musicians and Celebrities, Activists and Politicians. He wasn't the first, he won't be the last.

The letter of the Law applies to all, not just those that don't support your buddies the Hamas.

More agenda driven idiocy. :roll:

So what is it you want?

We should bend our laws for financial supporters of terrorist groups, terrorists? What? Does this mean you would support allowing Vellupillai Prabhakaran to come to Canada and recruit Tigers, financial aid...what?

So if a 'know' (sic.) 'and self confessed supporter of a listed terrorist group' is allowed to vote on matters of law in the UK, and that the UK does not recognize Hamas as a terrorist group (or if it does, sees no conflict between that and allowing an MP to support it), and does not imprison that MP, then would this not make the UK a terrorist state, or at the very least, complicit in terrorist activities? So when is Canada going to petition the UN General Assembly to demand that the UK arrest Gallaway and turn him over to the Hague for trial?

If the Canadian government is not prepared to do that, then it has no right to blacklist Gallaway.

To take another parallel. If you arrest me for theft, but continue to maintain amicable relations with the mafia that I work for, then how do you rationalise that morally? Certainly, no mater how guilty I might be, my superiors would be even more guilty for accepting my behaviour, wouldn't they be? So if you were planning to be friends with them, then how would you rationalise arresting me? Same parallel. And that makes Harper's motives suspicious.

When a government is inconsistent in its application of the law, we know that something is going on behind the scenes.

 

[Machjo]

Whether or not our government (or the US government) chooses at this point in time to call certain organizations "terrorist", it is a travesty of justice when an individual (that has committed no violence) and has been duly elected and accepted as a Member of Parliament for one of our closest neighbours' is denied entry to Canada because he has "supported terrorists"!!!!

Get real... this is, once again, Harper playing to that part of his constituency that looks forward to "The Rapture" and a return to Israel. It doesn't hurt that large political donations may be a stake!

And add to that, that if he's a known supporter of a terrorist organization, Canada should welcome him so that we could arrest him and so drag him to the hague for trial? Whatever happenned to due process? Innocent until proven guilty? Oh,sorry, Harper had studied economics, not law.

 

[CDNBear]

So if a 'know' (sic.) 'and self confessed supporter of a listed terrorist group' is allowed to vote on matters of law in the UK, and that the UK does not recognize Hamas as a terrorist group (or if it does, sees no conflict between that and allowing an MP to support it), and does not imprison that MP, then would this not make the UK a terrorist state, or at the very least, complicit in terrorist activities? So when is Canada going to petition the UN General Assembly to demand that the UK arrest Gallaway and turn him over to the Hague for trial?

If the Canadian government is not prepared to do that, then it has no right to blacklist Gallaway.

To take another parallel. If you arrest me for theft, but continue to maintain amicable relations with the mafia that I work for, then how do you rationalise that morally? Certainly, no mater how guilty I might be, my superiors would be even more guilty for accepting my behaviour, wouldn't they be? So if you were planning to be friends with them, then how would you rationalise arresting me? Same parallel. And that makes Harper's motives suspicious.

When a government is inconsistent in its application of the law, we know that something is going on behind the scenes.

Riiiiiiiiiiight...:roll:

 

[Machjo]

It is real simple folks.

The ONLY people that have a right to be in Canada are those that were born here. Full stop.

ANYBODY else can rightfully be kept out on a whim.

It is OUR sandbox, to play in as we wish.

And Galloway can go pound sand.

One could choose to argue it that way. But then whydo we not apply the same standard to Iraq? US soldiers were never invited there. As for Afghanistan, we could argue that it was aiding a man who'd declared war on the US. Different story there. But weven then, we're now there not trying to find Bin Laden, but trying rather to make them in our image.

 

[Machjo]

Oh puullleeeeeeease!! The Anti-terrorism Act was passes under the Liberals in Dec 2001.

83.02 Every one who, directly or indirectly, wilfully and without lawful justification or excuse, provides or collects property intending that it be used or knowing that it will be used, in whole or in part, in order to carry out

• (a) an act or omission that constitutes an offence referred to in subparagraphs (a)(i) to (ix) of the definition of ``terrorist activity'' in subsection 83.01(1), or

• (b) any other act or omission intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to a civilian or to any other person not taking an active part in the hostilities in a situation of armed conflict, if the purpose of that act or omission, by its nature or context, is to intimidate the public, or to compel a government or an international organization to do or refrain from doing any act,

is guilty of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 10 years.
This man has financially supports a terrorist organizations. By Hamas' own words, Israel does not even have the right to exist. This man is a criminal. I can see you are going to make another entertaining addition to this forum.

He may be a criminal according to that definition, but then that law was clearly designed to pick on the little guy. Should the Uk government not be held accountable too for not arresting him?

 

[Machjo]

Too bad the aboriginal peoples didn't have immigration laws like that when our ancestors first arrived!

Britannia rules the waves, because...
Britannia waives the rules.

At that time, such noble laws weren't in the interests of the Anglo-Saxon majority. Now they are. So now's a good time to hide behind the rules... as long as they keep benefitting us.

 

[Cannuck]

And add to that, that if he's a known supporter of a terrorist organization, Canada should welcome him so that we could arrest him and so drag him to the hague for trial? Whatever happenned to due process? Innocent until proven guilty? Oh,sorry, Harper had studied economics, not law.

Bringing Harper into this just shows that you have nothing of value to add to the discussion. The law was put in place before he was PM and bureaucrats, not Harper, made the decision to bar this man.

As for letting him in and charging him, I have better ways I want the government to spend my tax dollars.

 

[Machjo]

Colpie, would you agree that Canada should have a right to disallow entry to blacks, on a whim?

I would think that the government does not have a moral right to disallow any person to Canada on a whim, but rather according to certain rules of justice. To say that it has a right to disallow entry on a whim is paramount to saying that border officials should all carry coins with them on the job that they could flip whenever trying to determine whether to allow a person entry or not, or just go on a gut feeling depending on his mood that day.

 

[CDNBear]

Colpie, would you agree that Canada should have a right to disallow entry to blacks, on a whim?

I would think that the government does not have a moral right to disallow any person to Canada on a whim, but rather according to certain rules of justice. To say that it has a right to disallow entry on a whim is paramount to saying that border officials should all carry coins with them on the job that they could flip whenever trying to determine whether to allow a person entry or not, or just go on a gut feeling depending on his mood that day.

Talk about stretching it a little eh...:roll:

Do you think outside your ideology? Or is everything you post, on a 'whim'?

 

[Machjo]

As supporters of democracy, we are all obligated to accept Palestinians' will. They wanted Hamas, they got it. That's their right.

Yeah, but that's not how democracy is supposed to work. They're supposed to elect stooges who'll bend over forwards for the West.

 

[Machjo]

Just saw on the CBC News.....Galloway not only funneled humanitarian aid to Hamas.....but cash. That makes him a fundraiser....illegal in Canada.

I've changed my mind.

Let him in.

Arrest him. Refuse him bail because he is a flight risk. Throw in jail, keep him there incommunicado awaiting trial......until the Brits really insist on getting him back, or 6 months, whichever comes first. Then escort him to the airport and throw him out....

We get peace from listening to the moron, and the satisfaction of demonstrating our disapproval of his actions.

He gets his martyr ticket punched, and has reason to whine for decades.

He will never come back to canada.

Everybody is happy.

Damn, I missed my calling: I shoulda been a diplomat.

Just call me Solomon the Magnificent.

Now that would show consistency. If he is in fact a threat, do you really want him able to vote on matters of law in a national government. Surely we'd want him arrested, and break all ties with the UK should it even try to defend a 'terrorist agent'.

 

[Machjo]

Bringing Harper into this just shows that you have nothing of value to add to the discussion. The law was put in place before he was PM and bureaucrats, not Harper, made the decision to bar this man.

As for letting him in and charging him, I have better ways I want the government to spend my tax dollars.

OK, I was being a little sarcastic there. But the MP's, Liberal, Conservative or whatever, who chose to make a law targetting individuals but not holding governments that abet them equally accountable were clearly not thinking when passing this law. Clearly a person involved insuch activities is much less dangerous than a government that tolerates such activities, and a country the population of which can vote for such persons is all the more dangerous. Certainly this law would need to be revised so as to include not only individuals, but states that support them. This would mean breaking all deplomatic ties with the UK until it arrests Galloway and force him to face trial.

If we're not prepared to do that, then the law is fundamentally unjust and ought to be scrapped. How can we argue it to be just that a person can be held accountable for his actions but not a government that supports his actions?

 

[Machjo]

Talk about stretching it a little eh...:roll:

Do you think outside your ideology? Or is everything you post, on a 'whim'?

Colpie said it: we have a right to refuse entry on a whim.

 

[gopher]

Or you could just go to Starbucks and have a double shot in a Latte to come back to reality..:lol:

No way! I'm the guy who started the local boycott of Starbucks because of its support for Israel's terrorism on Palestinians. You know the result of our effort - those wealthy f*ckers nearly went bankrupt.

As for those who want lattes, try buying some in your local supermarket.