The Improbability of God

[eanassir]

I did not. You cannot cite a text in support of itself, that's self-referential nonsense and begs the question. Anyone could write a book that contains the claim, "Everything in this book is true, correct, consistent, and complete." You wouldn't accept that in any book but the Quran, and the only reason you accept it there is because it contains that claim and you believe it a priori anyway. I don't believe it, on good logical and evidential grounds that you just repeatedly deny.

No, this is not the logical rule. In stead: read the book carefully, then you may decide it is good or not.

Although you said you read the translation of the meaning of the Quran, and you found that silly!

Concerning this, there is an aya 8: 31 ​

وَإِذَا تُتْلَى عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتُنَا قَالُواْ قَدْ سَمِعْنَا لَوْ نَشَاء لَقُلْنَا مِثْلَ هَذَا إِنْ هَذَا إِلاَّ أَسَاطِيرُ الأوَّلِينَ​

The explanation:
(When Our revelations are rehearsed to them, the [associaters] say:
"We did hear [such old fables],
if we wished we could say [words] like this [Quran];
surely this is nothing but written fables of the ancients.")

So God replied to them and said in the aya 52: 34​

فَلْيَأْتُوا بِحَدِيثٍ مِّثْلِهِ إِن كَانُوا صَادِقِينَ​

The explanation:
(Then let them produce a relation like the [Quran] if they are truthful [in their claim that Mohammed has invented it.] )

E.g. although you may say: "who cares!"; but you said the Quran is useless, so you have to answer:​

See this aya 31: 10

خَلَقَ السّماواتِ بِغيرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَونَها، و ألقى في الأرضِ رواسيَ أنْ تَميدَ بِكم​

The explanation: (He created the [gaseous] heavens without pillars you see, and He cast on the earth firm [mountains], lest it sway irregularly with you …)

Now, my question is that: you said that you had read the translation of the meaning of the Quran to find it useless; ok then, what you understand from the aya:
Are there pillars for the heaven or are there not such pillars?
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So where did the evil-doers come from, and who are they? You're just hanging yourself farther and farther out on a limb. A being who makes no attempt to guide wrong doers back to the true path but instead deliberately misleads them even further and then punishes them horribly for errors he led them to make is neither merciful nor compassionate. He's a mean-spirited, vindictive, manipulative psychopath.

People generally are of two kinds: good-doers and wrong-doers.

When man accompanies the good-doers, he will acquire the good-doing from them; and when he accompanies the wrong-doers, he will acquire the wrong-doing from them in like manner.

God does not like the wrong-doer, the proud, the traitor and the sinner; therefore, He will not give such bad persons, the guidance.
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[Spade]

Dear cousin eanassir,
Why did God speak to Abraham, Jesus, and Mohammad? Why didn't he speak to the Chinese, Incas, Aztecs, British, Russians, East Indians, and Icelanders? Did he not create them too? Are they doomed because they are not descendants of Abraham?
Spade

 

[petros]

descendants of Abraham?

Since Abraham is in reality Brahma which is also Hathor which is guess what?

If one of these ever moos at you run like hell.

 

[Spade]

I see one egg has a halo!

 

[petros]

That is Horus

 

[petros]

If you aren't a decendant of one of these you aren't human.

 

[Spade]

If you aren't a decendant of one of these you aren't human.

Whitley Strieber's Unknown Country

 

[petros]

If your mom was hung upside down when you were born would you stil be a decendant?

 

[Spade]

If your mom was hung upside down when you were born would you stil be a decendant?

No, I'd be an Aussie!

 

[petros]

Are you sure Au isn't on the top of the earth?

 

[Spade]

Au is at the top; Pb is at the bottom. You're an alchemist, aren't you?

 

[petros]

I had to give it up al Khemy and al Gebra beause of it's Arabic roots and the war on terror.

 

[Spade]

I call 'em Hindu numerals now when I count my freedom fries!

 

[petros]

There was no freedom for the potato was there?

 

[Spade]

There was no freedom for the potato was there?

No there isn't; the ayes did not have it this time!

 

[petros]

If we aren't careful all our veggies will end up under the command of Col Corn and the meat packing fascists.

 

[eanassir]

Dear cousin eanassir,
Why did God speak to Abraham, Jesus, and Mohammad? Why didn't he speak to the Chinese, Incas, Aztecs, British, Russians, East Indians, and Icelanders? Did he not create them too? Are they doomed because they are not descendants of Abraham?
Spade

God – be glorified – spoke to Moses; but He revealed to all these prophets and apostles (or messengers.)

He sent a large number of apostles to all nations to warn them of the consequences of the idolatry and associating others with God.
As in the Quran 35: 24​

إِنَّا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ بِالْحَقِّ بَشِيرًا وَنَذِيرًا وَإِن مِّنْ أُمَّةٍ إِلَّا خلَا فِيهَا نَذِيرٌ​

The explanation:
(We have sent you [Mohammed] with the true [religion, as] a bearer of glad tidings and as a warner; and there was not any [past] nation, but a warner [of them] should have passed away therewith.)


He sent to every nation an apostle speaking to them in the same language that they speak.
This is in the aya 14: 4​

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلاَّ بِلِسَانِ قَوْمِهِ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَهُمْ فَيُضِلُّ اللّهُ مَن يَشَاء وَيَهْدِي مَن يَشَاء وَهُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ​

The explanation:
(We did not send any messenger [before you, O Mohammed] but [to teach] in the language of his [own] people, in order to explain to them.
So God would lead astray those whom He please and would guide whom He please, and He is the Almighty, the Most Wise.)


But we are not told in the Quran (and in the Bible) about all of the apostles , because they are of a large number.
God – be exalted – said in the Quran 4: 164​

وَرُسُلاً قَدْ قَصَصْنَاهُمْ عَلَيْكَ مِن قَبْلُ وَرُسُلاً لَّمْ نَقْصُصْهُمْ عَلَيْكَ وَكَلَّمَ اللّهُ مُوسَى تَكْلِيمًا​

The explanation:
(And messengers We mentioned to you [Mohammed] before and messengers We have not mentioned to you – But Moses did God speak to with a [hearable] speech.)


All these apostles commanded the worship of God alone without any associate, but later their messages were distorted and changed through the enthusiasm into a new idolatry.
This is according to the Quran 21: 25 ​

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا نُوحِي إِلَيْهِ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدُونِ​

The explanation:
(We never sent any messenger [to his people] before you [Mohammed], unless We revealed to him [saying]: "There is no god [in the universe] but I [: God]; so [O people] serve Me [alone.]")


quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

 

[eanassir]

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[petros]

God – be glorified – spoke to Moses; but He revealed to all these prophets and apostles (or messengers.)

Moses spoke to Poseidon who warned him of the flood but Poseidon failed to wipe out all the demi-gods creating the troubles and this pissed of Zeus who demanded Moses only worship him.

Who would know more about ancient man and their gods than ancient man?

 

[Spade]

If we aren't careful all our veggies will end up under the command of Col Corn and the meat packing fascists.

If it isn't Col Corn, it's Major Recall!