That’s it Dexter. I like the God with whom I can discuss stuff over a pint of beer (with God buying, of course). Much preferable to the God who rains down fire and brimstone.
The Improbability of God
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That’s it Dexter. I like the God with whom I can discuss stuff over a pint of beer (with God buying, of course). Much preferable to the God who rains down fire and brimstone.
Man. Are you gonna be pissed when you find out there is no afterlife. All that energy wasted when you could have been out drinking pints with the happy god
Why even care if there is a god or not. Humanity has to ditch this reliance on religion, for the sake of our existence. Religions and their followers slow down social and scientific progress to the point where advances take decades, if not centuries, to come about. These whackjobs will destroy us.
We certainly can't control everything that happens to us in this life. If you're a weak person and you need god to give you strength to cope with reality then so be it. Be spiritual if you must but just sit down and shut up because the rest of us, those non believers, aren't willing to sit by and watch our potential get repressed by some brainwashed caveman mentality.
I'd suggest a good old fashion persecution of biblical proportions but that would give these lunatics more attention then they're worth, not to mention a soap box to preach from. We should come up with a new spiritual identity and include our own manual guide. One that consolidates all religions, just like the Romans did with christianity, but we'll call it Earthism. Toss in some scientific acceptance, keep the wholesome peace and love stuff but take out all the bull****, the talking bush and walking on water garbage. Get rid of all that worship me, attention *****, needy syndrome god seems to have. Market the new Earthism Spirituality towards developing a world that is actually peaceful and affluent. Just need to find a new face, the figure head. Maybe Tom Cruise, LMFAO.
We certainly can't control everything that happens to us in this life. If you're a weak person and you need god to give you strength to cope with reality then so be it. Be spiritual if you must but just sit down and shut up because the rest of us, those non believers, aren't willing to sit by and watch our potential get repressed by some brainwashed caveman mentality.
I'd suggest a good old fashion persecution of biblical proportions but that would give these lunatics more attention then they're worth, not to mention a soap box to preach from. We should come up with a new spiritual identity and include our own manual guide. One that consolidates all religions, just like the Romans did with christianity, but we'll call it Earthism. Toss in some scientific acceptance, keep the wholesome peace and love stuff but take out all the bull****, the talking bush and walking on water garbage. Get rid of all that worship me, attention *****, needy syndrome god seems to have. Market the new Earthism Spirituality towards developing a world that is actually peaceful and affluent. Just need to find a new face, the figure head. Maybe Tom Cruise, LMFAO.
Good attitude, and a wonderful user name, you'll do well here. Welcome to the boards.
I'm on board with everything you said, with exception of the 'tom cruise' thing,
we'll have to have a meeting about that I'm afraid, can we vote?
So this story you believe immediately and never ask yourself: is it true or not, while you disbelieve in the rest! To the extent that you have denied the existence of God, the prophet and denied the Quran.
As I told you: nothing of that is mentioned in the Quran.
God – be glorified – said in the aya 14: 27
As I told you: nothing of that is mentioned in the Quran.
God – be glorified – said in the aya 14: 27
يُثَبِّتُ اللّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ بِالْقَوْلِ الثَّابِتِ فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَفِي الآخِرَةِ وَيُضِلُّ اللّهُ الظَّالِمِينَ وَيَفْعَلُ اللّهُ مَا يَشَاء
The explanation:
(God confirms those who believe, through the enduring word in the Worldly life and in the Hereafter; but God misguides evil-doers, and God does that which He will.)
The interpretation:
>> (God confirms those who believe, through "the enduring word" in the Worldly life and in the Hereafter)
"The enduring word" that is unchangeable is their saying (Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds [and nations]) which they say in this World and in the next afterlife.
(God confirms those who believe, through the enduring word in the Worldly life and in the Hereafter; but God misguides evil-doers, and God does that which He will.)
The interpretation:
>> (God confirms those who believe, through "the enduring word" in the Worldly life and in the Hereafter)
"The enduring word" that is unchangeable is their saying (Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds [and nations]) which they say in this World and in the next afterlife.
- So in this World they say: "Praise be to God Who has guided us to the religion of the Islam, so that we have converted and believed.";
- and in the next afterlife or the Hereafter, they will say: "Praise be to God Who has guided us to the way of Paradise and saved us from the Fire."
>> (but God misguides evil-doers) or wrong-doers, who oppress people and transgress on their rights; therefore, God misguides them away from the truth; while the believers: they are merciful so God guided them to the way of the truth.
>> (and God does that which He will) with the two parties on Judgment Day:
n good dealing and prosperity to believers,
n and punishment and wrath against wrong-doers.
Therefore, be merciful toward each other, O Children of Adam, to receive the mercy and grace of your Lord.
You are still in your confusion; the important thing is the exclusive devotion to God alone; it is not necessarily that people are Iranian or Canadian.
Even some of the Muslims (, Jews or Christians) may follow the programs of the atheism, the associating of imams or saints together with God Almighty, and by so doing they became like the idolaters and associaters (if they insist on glorifying the Christ, saints, imams and religious men together with God Almighty.)
And while you are sitting (and residing!) in Canada, do you think that Canada will avail you against the angel of death? :lol:
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Even some of the Muslims (, Jews or Christians) may follow the programs of the atheism, the associating of imams or saints together with God Almighty, and by so doing they became like the idolaters and associaters (if they insist on glorifying the Christ, saints, imams and religious men together with God Almighty.)
And while you are sitting (and residing!) in Canada, do you think that Canada will avail you against the angel of death? :lol:
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I did ask myself just that. So I looked at the ME and what did I see? I saw countries that routinely marry children off to old perverts. My conclusion was that Mohammad was probably a pervert too, like his fellow countrymen.
So Canadians are more devout to Mohammad than Iranian's? LMAO!!!
Yeah right.
Your grasping at straws.
You applied some logical rules improperly.
It is like when you want to buy a house: you see it, check about it and its features before you may buy it.
The Quran speaks about itself, according to the marvels that it includes: the eloquent style, the fore-future foretelling, and the arguments, examples and parables, and its statements, in addition to its confirming the previous Gospel, Torah and the Ten Commandments. Moreover, it tells about the next afterlife, Paradise and Hell ( and the discourse and disputing of the people of Paradise and Hell) which even is not told in the past heavenly books -- in spite of that it is concize, and relatively of a small volume.
So that God – be glorified – said about it in the Quran 17: 88
قُل لَّئِنِ اجْتَمَعَتِ الإِنسُ وَالْجِنُّ عَلَى أَن يَأْتُواْ بِمِثْلِ هَذَا الْقُرْآنِ لاَ يَأْتُونَ بِمِثْلِهِ وَلَوْ كَانَ بَعْضُهُمْ لِبَعْضٍ ظَهِيرًا
The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed, to these associaters]: "Even though the whole man-kind and genie-kind [: demon-kind] were to gather together in accordance to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like, even if they aided each other with support.")
(Say [O Mohammed, to these associaters]: "Even though the whole man-kind and genie-kind [: demon-kind] were to gather together in accordance to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like, even if they aided each other with support.")
God did not create people as wrong-doers; they acquired such conduct by befriending with the evil-doers, and so they became like them, then they followed the footsteps of Satan and his devils, and wronged themselves and wronged people; so God misguided them.
So first of all, man should:
→ desert his bad friends and the party of the atheism and association.
→ then purifies himself by doing some righteous act in secret for the sake of God alone and exclusively for God alone; if he does so
→ and (believes in God alone, and in all the apostles of God including Mohammed, and believes in all the heavenly books including the Quran)
→ then he will prosper and succeed, or else he will not, and will be prey for the Devil in this World who in the next afterlife will enslave and torment him (as I saw in a true night dream, which I may tell you later on).
→ desert his bad friends and the party of the atheism and association.
→ then purifies himself by doing some righteous act in secret for the sake of God alone and exclusively for God alone; if he does so
→ and (believes in God alone, and in all the apostles of God including Mohammed, and believes in all the heavenly books including the Quran)
→ then he will prosper and succeed, or else he will not, and will be prey for the Devil in this World who in the next afterlife will enslave and torment him (as I saw in a true night dream, which I may tell you later on).
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So this is your logic; it may be your party taught this logic to you.
As God - be glorified - said in the Quran 18: 56
وَمَا نُرْسِلُ الْمُرْسَلِينَ إِلَّا مُبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ وَيُجَادِلُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِالْبَاطِلِ لِيُدْحِضُوا بِهِ الْحَقَّ وَاتَّخَذُوا آيَاتِي وَمَا أُنذِرُوا هُزُوًا
The explanation:
(We send not messengers but to bear glad tidings [of Paradise to the monotheists who do righteous work], and to warn [idolaters and associaters of Hell] ;
but those who unbelieve do only dispute with falsehood to disprove the truth,
and they took – My signs [of revelation] and what they are warned of – as a jest.)
(We send not messengers but to bear glad tidings [of Paradise to the monotheists who do righteous work], and to warn [idolaters and associaters of Hell] ;
but those who unbelieve do only dispute with falsehood to disprove the truth,
and they took – My signs [of revelation] and what they are warned of – as a jest.)
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No, I grasp at a firm handle; as in the aya 2: 256
لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِن بِاللّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَىَ لاَ انفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ
The explanation:
([There can be] no compulsion in religion [: none can compel you to be unbelievers;]
([There can be] no compulsion in religion [: none can compel you to be unbelievers;]
The correct way [of the Islam] has been made distinct from the error [of the association and idolatry.]
And anyone [of you] rejects [Abu-Jahl] the tyrant, and believes in God [Alone, ascribing no associates to Him,] has indeed grasped a firm handhold [of the ship] which is not detachable, [so he will not be drowned, and will be safe of Hell if he follows the religion of the Islam.]
God is All-Hearing [of your words], All-Knowing [of your intentions, O unbelievers!] )
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I have an issue with this muslim homo debate and I also have a question for Eannassir.
First: My father in law lives in the middle east and has spent the better part of his life there. He travels all over the region. He is back and forth between Israel, Jordan, UAE, Oman, Yemen, India, China, and the South Pacific. He has many friends globally of many different cultural backgrounds and he is a very observent and intelligent man. Homosexuality came up one evening, as we both have gays in the family, and he started talking about the openness the people seemed to have with this behavior in that region. He said it is not uncommon in many muslim nations to see two men making out or holding hands in public and nobody bats an eyelash. He also mentioned if a man kisses a woman in some of these same countries, can't remember which, then they are punished. I was completely shocked. This is what I remember from the conversation, it was a while ago but it was hard to forget.
Second: If all things had to be created then who created god?
I will accept a personal opinion on this matter since I'm not aware of any references in the koran, torah, bible or otherwise. I can't wait to see how this one gets avoided.
First: My father in law lives in the middle east and has spent the better part of his life there. He travels all over the region. He is back and forth between Israel, Jordan, UAE, Oman, Yemen, India, China, and the South Pacific. He has many friends globally of many different cultural backgrounds and he is a very observent and intelligent man. Homosexuality came up one evening, as we both have gays in the family, and he started talking about the openness the people seemed to have with this behavior in that region. He said it is not uncommon in many muslim nations to see two men making out or holding hands in public and nobody bats an eyelash. He also mentioned if a man kisses a woman in some of these same countries, can't remember which, then they are punished. I was completely shocked. This is what I remember from the conversation, it was a while ago but it was hard to forget.
Second: If all things had to be created then who created god?
I will accept a personal opinion on this matter since I'm not aware of any references in the koran, torah, bible or otherwise. I can't wait to see how this one gets avoided.
You know there are no answers to your questions.
Thought experiment #1.
Premise 1: DichotoMe exists today.
Premise 2: Gawd exists
Premise 3: Gawd always existed
If Gawd always existed, then he waited an infinite time before he created DichotoMe.
Contradiction.
Therefore, at least one premise is false. But, DicchotoMe exists.
Ergo...
Thought experiment #1.
Premise 1: DichotoMe exists today.
Premise 2: Gawd exists
Premise 3: Gawd always existed
If Gawd always existed, then he waited an infinite time before he created DichotoMe.
Contradiction.
Therefore, at least one premise is false. But, DicchotoMe exists.
Ergo...
I did not. You cannot cite a text in support of itself, that's self-referential nonsense and begs the question. Anyone could write a book that contains the claim, "Everything in this book is true, correct, consistent, and complete." You wouldn't accept that in any book but the Quran, and the only reason you accept it there is because it contains that claim and you believe it a priori anyway. I don't believe it, on good logical and evidential grounds that you just repeatedly deny.
So where did the evil-doers come from, and who are they? You're just hanging yourself farther and farther out on a limb. A being who makes no attempt to guide wrong doers back to the true path but instead deliberately misleads them even further and then punishes them horribly for errors he led them to make is neither merciful nor compassionate. He's a mean-spirited, vindictive, manipulative psychopath.
Second: If all things had to be created then who created god
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It's going to make as much sense as any other answer and "it's my storey and I'm stickin' to it!!"
He said it is not uncommon in many Muslim nations to see two men making out or holding hands in public and nobody bats an eyelash. He also mentioned if a man kisses a woman in some of these same countries, can't remember which, then they are punished. I was completely shocked. This is what I remember from the conversation, it was a while ago but it was hard to forget.
DichotoMe, I don’t think that has much to do with homosexuality. I am told that in India also it is acceptable for two men to hold hands, but not for a man and a woman. Two men holding hand just means that they are good friends, nothing more.
It is just different culture. Here in the West, two men (or two women) would never hold hands, unless they are gay and are not afraid of public backlash. In the East, good friends hold hands, hug each other , it is all part of the tradition over there. Another striking difference is that in the East, it is permissible to give flowers to a man. If you want to honour a man, a standard way to do is to give him a bouquet of flowers, or to put a garland made from fresh flowers around his neck.
These are differences in the two cultures and have nothing to do with homosexuality. Twe men may hold hands, hug each other, slap each other on the back, it just shows that they are good friends (but let them kiss each other, they probably will be put to death). A man and a woman may not hold hands because of the sexually repressive nature of the eastern societies.
The fact that it is acceptable for two men to hold hands does not even remotely mean that homosexuality is accepted in the East. There is a flip side, however. If two men are gay lovers (in secret) , they may show a limited amount of affection in public (such as holding hands) without any fear of a backlash, since people will think they are just good friends, nothing more.
DichotoMe, I don’t think that has much to do with homosexuality. I am told that in India also it is acceptable for two men to hold hands, but not for a man and a woman. Two men holding hand just means that they are good friends, nothing more.
It is just different culture. Here in the West, two men (or two women) would never hold hands, unless they are gay and are not afraid of public backlash. In the East, good friends hold hands, hug each other , it is all part of the tradition over there. Another striking difference is that in the East, it is permissible to give flowers to a man. If you want to honour a man, a standard way to do is to give him a bouquet of flowers, or to put a garland made from fresh flowers around his neck.
These are differences in the two cultures and have nothing to do with homosexuality. Twe men may hold hands, hug each other, slap each other on the back, it just shows that they are good friends (but let them kiss each other, they probably will be put to death). A man and a woman may not hold hands because of the sexually repressive nature of the eastern societies.
The fact that it is acceptable for two men to hold hands does not even remotely mean that homosexuality is accepted in the East. There is a flip side, however. If two men are gay lovers (in secret) , they may show a limited amount of affection in public (such as holding hands) without any fear of a backlash, since people will think they are just good friends, nothing more.
Guess I won't be posting after a smoke anymore, one of those "Haha" moments ya know.
I didn't expect any real answers, I don't really care about the answer anyway. It was going to be a lead into another point about beginnings and endings of all things in nature and the cosmos. I'm working on this point.
I didn't expect any real answers, I don't really care about the answer anyway. It was going to be a lead into another point about beginnings and endings of all things in nature and the cosmos. I'm working on this point.
This doesn't refute what I claimed:
According to Mohammad if your righteous you will live longer, therefore since Canadians live longer, god loves Canada (god loves the righteous) more than Iran so Canadians are more righteous than Iranians.