When Do We Aquire Our Life Force?

CanadianLove

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I was not sure where to put this thread as it is more of a paranormal/witchcraft topic so I stuck it here.

I was reading the thread Tyr put up on abortion and morality
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/82702-abortion-not-immoral.html
this afternoon, and it reminded my of a question that I possed to a group on a paranormal forum last Fall. They did not really respond that well because of the sensitive issue and the fact that they really were not sensitives as they claimed - just a group of peope getting paid to watch a forum.

I have met people who are able to tell the sex of an unborn child by devination. This is done in a way that is similar to a crystal devination which is to ask a question are the crystal will spin one way or the other on the end of a string or chain. The direction of the spin is a indication of yes or no to the question. This spin has been attributed to the type of energy that is being emmited when the question is asked. If the question is asked and you feel negatively about it, the energy will be negative, and therefore the spin will be negative. This is a good thing for some people as their personal feelings of negativity are accually a positive, therefore through experience a deviner can say that the negative spin is actually a positive spin. Blaa blaa blaa.

The way this person would do this for an unborn child is to tie a straight pin on the end of a thread so that the the pin is balanced in a horizontal position. The pin is hung in front of the mother and the pin will spin. One way for a girl and the other way for a boy. This is using the life force energy of the unborn child.

During a preganancy some mothers who are sensitives are said to be able to feel the time when the life force is actually transferred into their child. There has been a lot of debate about when a child becomes a "Human" instead of just a growth in the mother's stomach.

Should we be utilizing methods like these divination's before anyone is allowed an abortion without good reason such as rape or incest? I do know the hard core anti-craft will be against it because it is the craft, but I believe that a hands-on-healer would likely be able to sense the energy also.

Think of it as the point when a pregnant woman gets that extra glow to them and you just know that something is different about them but they may not be showing it physically yet. I think this is sometime later, but is evedence of the added energy.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I have met people who are able to tell the sex of an unborn child by devination.
No you haven't. You've met people who claim they can do that, but if you actually tested them properly you'd find their results were no better than chance. They'll be right about half the time.

Should we be utilizing methods like these divination's before anyone is allowed an abortion without good reason such as rape or incest?
No. What would you expect to find out, exactly, and what difference would it make? But the best reason for not doing it is that no form of divination has ever been shown to work, they fail all properly controlled testing consistently and reliably.
 

tracy

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That spinning thing is pure BS. It's about as reliable as the wedding ring way, the pee test, the heart rate test, how a woman is carrying, etc. Nothing accurately predicts a baby's gender other than ultrasounds or amniotesting (and even they can be wrong).

I don't think we ever get a "life force". I think we're born when we're born. I don't feel like I have some jedi like life force.
 

CanadianLove

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That spinning thing is pure BS. It's about as reliable as the wedding ring way, the pee test, the heart rate test, how a woman is carrying, etc. Nothing accurately predicts a baby's gender other than ultrasounds or amniotesting (and even they can be wrong).

I don't think we ever get a "life force". I think we're born when we're born. I don't feel like I have some jedi like life force.

That too Bad. I feel for you. To be cold as a stone. Well as lifeless anyway.
 

tracy

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That too Bad. I feel for you. To be cold as a stone. Well as lifeless anyway.

I'm not lifeless or cold. I'm alive. I just don't buy the new agey life force crowd's stuff. I'm not seriously superstitious. Devination is silly. I could guess right just as often as someone's pin could. I have accurately predicted the gender of the last 3 babies born to my coworkers. It doesn't mean there is some life force telling me what they are. It means I guessed right. I had a 50-50 chance each time. The notion that there is a moment when the soul enters the body of a fetus was what allowed the Catholic Church to support abortion until a certain gestation. It may interest you to know they thought the soul entered boy babies sooner than it did girl babies (even in silly superstition we see mysogyny). Even they changed their view on the matter.
 

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There is no life force. There is life. That is all. If I had to call anything life force, I guess I would call it the electro-chemical interactions that govern metabolic processes, and that begins for a person when their paternal genetic material combines with their maternal genetic material.

Life is a beautiful thing, and it doesn't require some nebulous form of energy to make it enjoyable. Refer to what Les said.
 

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>> When Do We Acquire Our Life Force?

Do you mean the Quickening (the time at which the soul/spirit enters the body)?

It depends who you ask, although I doubt anybody really knows.

Early Christianity believed the Quickening occurred when the mother first felt the baby stirring in her womb. Before that, the fetus had no soul/spirit.

Others believed the Quickening occurred at 40 days after conception for male embryos. 80 days for female.

Others at 116 days into pregnancy.

etc.

Basically, some time after conception, but before birth. Nobody has narrowed it down further as far as I know.
 

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Well, if we're going to include mythology and fantasy, etc. factors I could add that it was when Creation occured and it has just been passed on ever since. It started as an unimaginably huge ball of stuff and all life in the universe takes a very small piece from the ball. lol

Or it could be that no-one is really alive until their first brush with death.
 

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Then there's the old joke about the person who asked a Catholic priest, a Protestant minister, and a rabbi, "When does life begin?"

Priest: at conception.
Minister: at birth
Rabbi: when the kids have all left home and the dog dies.
 

MissAnnika

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we aquire our life force early in life, and as soon as someone realizes we are talented, we will then be trained in the way of the jedi.

p.s. join the dark side, we have chocolate chip cookies!
 

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There is no life force. There is life. That is all. If I had to call anything life force, I guess I would call it the electro-chemical interactions that govern metabolic processes, and that begins for a person when their paternal genetic material combines with their maternal genetic material.

Life is a beautiful thing, and it doesn't require some nebulous form of energy to make it enjoyable. Refer to what Les said.

Nicely put T.