Man dies after Taser shock by police at Vancouver airport

[Socrates the Greek]

You must be looking at an old post Socrates. Have you noticed that you are taken back to page 1 now when you click on a post? Maybe you should try clicking on "last".

No wrong, I was going thought the whole thread and could not help to notice your comment and I answered it.

Is that work?

My point here Island Pacific is, that it is ok to defend any one who deserves defending.
One of these 4 armed men, he not only has a conviction of hit and run while drunk, he also is not telling the truth when in fact the truth is on a video clip very damaging to the 4’s testimony.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Nice attempt at a dodge. I'm sure most see right through it.

Look man don’t come here looking to pick a fight, do you have anything to contribute to this thread?
Do so if you do. If you don’t then take a walk.

We are talking about a murder at the Air Port that, in the eyes of justice the Airport failed and the 4 THUGS FAILED BY GOING OVER R AND ABOVE THEIR CALL OF DUTY WHILE THEY KILLED A DISORIENTATED MAN. Now, what is your contribution here?

Hey by the way, your avatar clearly explains the foundation of your mentality.

 

[Cannuck]

...do you have anything to contribute to this thread?

Yes I do and yes I have.

We are talking about a murder at the Air Port that, in the eyes of justice the Airport failed and the 4 THUGS FAILED BY GOING OVER R AND ABOVE THEIR DUTY WHILE THEY KILLED A DISORIENTATED MAN. Now, what is your contribution here?

First off, you criticized Islandpacific because she was not there and does not have all the facts. I'm just pointing out that you weren't either. I'm truly sorry if that simple fact twists your knickers.

Secondly, perhaps if you would stick to fact instead of spouting your uninformed opinions (remember, you weren't there) you wouldn't have to worry about me. I understand how having your hypocrisy pointed out can be a little embarrassing. The solution is rather simple. Don't be hypocritical.

Murder is a crime. These men were not only never convicted of the crime of murder, they haven't even been charged. They are not, therefore, murderers. Let's try and keep the discussion mature shall we?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Yes I do and yes I have.





First off, you criticized Islandpacific because she was not there and does not have all the facts. I'm just pointing out that you weren't either. I'm truly sorry if that simple fact twists your knickers.

Secondly, perhaps if you would stick to fact instead of spouting your uninformed opinions (remember, you weren't there) you wouldn't have to worry about me. I understand how having your hypocrisy pointed out can be a little embarrassing. The solution is rather simple. Don't be hypocritical.

Murder is a crime. These men were not only never convicted of the crime of murder, they haven't even been charged. They are not, therefore, murderers. Let's try and keep the discussion mature shall we?

Hey I was not there also, but if you followed the media on the subject it has been said that the dispatcher advised the 4 that a man at the air port is drunk and is throwing chairs around. Did that come through your media source?
Second, the 4 were armed and the victim could not possibly kill one of them by the stapler. And if you closely watch the video as soon as the man saw the 4 he put his arms in the air and started walking away from them, did you see that? If you saw that tell me how on earth these 4 strong men could possibly feel threatened?
Make sense and quit defending wrong. I am sure if you were wearing the mother’s shoe you would need a cane to walk because the shoe would hurt a lot.

 

[Risus]

Hey I was not there also, but if you followed the media on the subject it has been said that the dispatcher advised the 4 that a man at the air port is drunk and is throwing chairs around. Did that come through your media source?
Second, the 4 were armed and the victim could not possibly kill one of them by the stapler. And if you closely watch the video as soon as the man saw the 4 he put his arms in the air and started walking away from them, did you see that? If you saw that tell me how on earth these 4 strong men could possibly feel threatened?
Make sense and quit defending wrong. I am sure if you were wearing the mother’s shoe you would need a cane to walk because the shoe would hurt a lot.

The guy was out of control, the RCMP did what they had to do to calm him down. You must be looking at a different video from me because I didn't see arms raised. Don't forget he also had a weapon in his hands...

 

[Scott Free]

Don't forget he also had a weapon in his hands...

Oh give it up! Even the guy that made the original claim he had a stapler in his hands has admitted that he didn't - not that a stapler is a weapon except to a complete p*ssy. What kind of cop would be afraid of a stapler anyway? Maybe that's the problem? Maybe we need to start hiring real men to be cops :roll:

 

[Tyr]

Oh give it up! Even the guy that made the original claim he had a stapler in his hands has admitted that he didn't - not that a stapler is a weapon except to a complete p*ssy. What kind of cop would be afraid of a stapler anyway? Maybe that's the problem? Maybe we need to start hiring real men to be cops :roll:

careful.... Or, I'll hunt you down with my trusty.....

 

[Scott Free]

OK, that stapler really does look threatening :lol:

 

[CDNBear]

The commentary in this thread just joined the 'fringe'...

Way ta go guys!

 

[Cannuck]

Hey I was not there also, but if you followed the media on the subject it has been said that the dispatcher advised....

What the dispatcher said or didn't say is not really important. As a firefighter, I don't concern myself too much with what dispatchers say. Every bit of information they give you is second hand and may or may not be true.

Second, the 4 were armed and the victim could not possibly kill one of them by the stapler.

So what? If the cops believed he could have killed any of them, they would be justified in drawing their guns and shooting him in the chest. If they did, in fact, believe they were in imminent peril then they showed restraint in tasering him instead of shooting him.

And if you closely watch the video...

I would get a particular perspective from the video. Of course, video only tells part of the story and some of us like to get all the facts before we make comments on somebodies guilt or innocent.

Make sense and quit defending wrong.

You are confusing me pointing out your hypocrisy and your tunnel vision with me defending these police officers. As I've said before, I'm not saying what these guys did was right.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

What the dispatcher said or didn't say is not really important. As a firefighter, I don't concern myself too much with what dispatchers say. Every bit of information they give you is second hand and may or may not be true.



So what? If the cops believed he could have killed any of them, they would be justified in drawing their guns and shooting him in the chest. If they did, in fact, believe they were in imminent peril then they showed restraint in tasering him instead of shooting him.



I would get a particular perspective from the video. Of course, video only tells part of the story and some of us like to get all the facts before we make comments on somebodies guilt or innocent.



You are confusing me pointing out your hypocrisy and your tunnel vision with me defending these police officers. As I've said before, I'm not saying what these guys did was right.

Look man lets not dance around words, in this particular case it is important on what the initial dispatch was, it preconditioned the defensive emotion before they got there.
Second, had the Air port had the proper infrastructure to accommodate people with no command of the language the 4 cops would have not engaged in this action.
But the Air Port failing the cops failed miserably. Let’s get one thing clear; because these 4 cops did a poor job in this case it doesn’t mean that all the cops are the same.
There is many hard working cops who are fair and honest these cops do not drink and drive, they are abiding citizens. Now do you see where the bias comes from?

 

[Cannuck]

Look man lets not dance around words, in this particular case it is important on what the initial dispatch was, it preconditioned the defensive emotion before they got there.

Maybe for somebody like you with little if any experience talking with dispatchers....besides, why do you use the words "in this particular case". What was different this time from all the other police/dispatcher communications?

Second, had the Air port had the proper infrastructure to accommodate people with no command of the language the 4 cops would have not engaged in this action.

That's not the police department's problem. That is the airport's. Are you going to start calling the airport management murderers now.

Now do you see where the bias comes from?

Yes, I've been able to see where the bias comes from for some time.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Maybe for somebody like you with little if any experience talking with dispatchers....besides, why do you use the words "in this particular case". What was different this time from all the other police/dispatcher communications?



That's not the police department's problem. That is the airport's. Are you going to start calling the airport management murderers now.



Yes, I've been able to see where the bias comes from for some time.

Hey what do you say on the one cop that was drunk and killed the boy and run off?
Defend that.
No one in their right mind would defend a cope that would drink and drive kills some one and runs off, You do it looks good on you.
And by the way look at the video few more times, you will see that a man was barbequed with 50.000 volt and while the 4 were on top of him they were guarding a dieing man. If you were killed the same way it would’ve been fair, right?

 

[barney]

I think there's a misconception here that anger directed against the four RCMP officer is just a manifestation of bias toward cops in general. I seriously doubt that this is the case with anyone posting here.

People the world over have a natural dislike for those who abuse power. That is expressed by what you are seeing here in this thread and throughout this country.

People tend to focus on the RCMP because they have a bad rep. If you know the organization's history, you will know that reputation is not undeserved. RCMP personnel are all-too-frequently the cause of breach of public trust in this country (and that's just the stuff that makes the news). Now sure, there are plenty of people working in the RCMP who have little or nothing to do with any of that, but that is irrelevant as far as those who do are concerned.

There are plenty of people who happen to be cops that don't do $hit like this. No need to go justifying the actions of thugs--let them cook in their own stew.

 

[Cannuck]

Hey what do you say on the one cop that was drunk and killed the boy and run off?

Nothing

Defend that.

Why would I want to defend it?

No one in their right mind would defend a cope that would drink and drive kills some one and runs off

Lots of defense attorneys would

You do it looks good on you.

That's not surprising since everything looks good on me but in all seriousness, what the hell are you talking about?

And by the way look at the video few more times, you will see that a man was barbequed with 50.000 volt and while the 4 were on top of him they were guarding a dieing man. If you were killed the same way it would’ve been fair, right?

I'll wait for all the evidence to come out before I'll express a definitive opinion either way but off the top of my head, I would say no...but at issue here isn't the fairness of it all. At issue is who is responsible. It was, is and (until somebody convinces me otherwise) will continue to be the hiring and training standards of the RCMP at fault. Dig a little deeper and it will show it is the political climate that forces these hiring and training standards on the RCMP that is ultimately to blame.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I think there's a misconception here that anger directed against the four RCMP officer is just a manifestation of bias toward cops in general. I seriously doubt that this is the case with anyone posting here.

People the world over have a natural dislike for those who abuse power. That is expressed by what you are seeing here in this thread and throughout this country.

People tend to focus on the RCMP because they have a bad rep. If you know the organization's history, you will know that reputation is not undeserved. RCMP personnel are all-too-frequently the cause of breach of public trust in this country (and that's just the stuff that makes the news). Now sure, there are plenty of people working in the RCMP who have little or nothing to do with any of that, but that is irrelevant as far as those who do are concerned.

There are plenty of people who happen to be cops that don't do $hit like this. No need to go justifying the actions of thugs--let them cook in their own stew.

barney, you are the passionate eye, well said…………………

 

[JLM]

Oh give it up! Even the guy that made the original claim he had a stapler in his hands has admitted that he didn't - not that a stapler is a weapon except to a complete p*ssy. What kind of cop would be afraid of a stapler anyway? Maybe that's the problem? Maybe we need to start hiring real men to be cops :roll:

Congratulations, S.F. you are starting to make some sense. :lol:

 

[Goober]

Congratulations, S.F. you are starting to make some sense. :lol:

All four should face severe discipline in particular – Lying – They all filed bogus reports that were total BS – That in itself is grounds for discipline – as the article in the link posted – if not for a video this would have gone down and disappeared from everyone’s memory or remembered as a case where the officer acted appropriately.
The last guy to testify – as the lawyer asked – did you panic – he replied No – They had no plan – 4 officers that do not know how to react to a man god dammed stapler – Pathetic – 4 of them showed up and did not know what to do – Hate to see any of them in a real situation where thinking and problem solving is a requirement.

We as Canadians should be outraged if no action is taken against these officers – they are lower than incompetent and a disgrace to others that wear the Serge.
They should be removed from the RCMP -

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1349647

 

[Ron in Regina]

No charges for RCMP in airport Tasering: Report

Wow...I just read the link that Goober posted. With all of the
discrepancies in Const Millinton's account of this...whatever
you want to call it....the only thing I'm confident about in his
testimony is that he was actually at the airport that night. 8O

 

[Socrates the Greek]

All four should face severe discipline in particular – Lying – They all filed bogus reports that were total BS – That in itself is grounds for discipline – as the article in the link posted – if not for a video this would have gone down and disappeared from everyone’s memory or remembered as a case where the officer acted appropriately.
The last guy to testify – as the lawyer asked – did you panic – he replied No – They had no plan – 4 officers that do not know how to react to a man god dammed stapler – Pathetic – 4 of them showed up and did not know what to do – Hate to see any of them in a real situation where thinking and problem solving is a requirement.

We as Canadians should be outraged if no action is taken against these officers – they are lower than incompetent and a disgrace to others that wear the Serge.
They should be removed from the RCMP -

[URL="http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1349647"]http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1349647[/URL]

Goober good post, the force has their internal problems with members on the bottle in an effort to cop with the harsh realities facing law and order.
I feel bad for the good cops, there are far more good cops than the example of the 4 filing bogus reports and insisting with their testimony that they were telling the truth and the video was not.