Toronto values a coyote over a human baby

Ron in Regina

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Nugg's, I didn't know what breed that Dog was but....well....
If a Coyote ended up in my yard, and it wasn't a female and in
heat, my Dogs would have eaten it, and that wouldn't have been
even remotely newsworthy.






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Twila

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My cats are indoor cats BECAUSE I lost one to a coyote.

I worry about my dog becoming coyote food. She's smallish. Schnauzer.

I also worry that an eagle might decide she's a furred salmon. Imagine the uproar if I demanded they be shot on sight?
 

Twila

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Don't feed the coyotes table scraps.

Stanley Park Ecology Society - Programs- Co-Existing With Coyotes - Conflict Statistics

Coyote Conflict History

Records from B.C.'s Ministry of Environment (Formerly the Ministry of Water, Land and Air Protection) state that there have been seven incidents in which Lower Mainland residents have been bitten since coyotes were first spotted in the late 1980s. Between 2000 and 3000 coyotes are now thought to be living in the Lower Mainland. Only two of the seven incidents resulted in hospitalization.

According to statistics from the B.C. Ministry of Health (1985-1993) dog bites have resulted in 88 hospitalizations a year.

(View the leading causes of child hospitalization in B.C.)

The most recent incidents of coyotes biting humans occured in:

* July 2001: A coyote attacked a one-year-old while her mother was gardening in their front yard. The child received 10 stitches on the side of her face and was hospitalized. Conservation officers searched the area for the coyote but were unable to locate and remove it. Area residents told them about a local who regularly feeds coyotes in a nearby park. Conservation officers found soup bones scattered along a park trail approximately four blocks from where the attack occurred.
* July 2001: A six-year-old girl was bitten on the elbow while walking with a friend and their fathers in a park. There were numerous reports that coyotes in the area had been deliberately and systematically fed by a resident. A necropsy performed on the coyote revealed a large amount of a stew or soup type substance (meat chunks, animal fat, corn and celery) in the coyote's stomach.
* September 2000: A 17-month old boy was bitten by a coyote while at an older brother's evening soccer practice and suffered four wounds on his head, one of which required stitches. The child was sitting on the grass, about 20 feet away from his parent. The coyote came onto the field and was either not noticed or ignored by the group of people at the field. The coyote then approached the young boy, and bit him on the left shoulder. The bite did not break the skin but only caught the child's clothing. People started yelling and screaming and the coyote let go of the clothing and bit the boy on the face, before being chased away. Vancouver police and conservation officers attended the scene but were unable to locate and remove the coyote.
* May 2000: A coyote that had been chewing on a bone near a town house complex bit a four-year-old girl playing by herself in the playground. She began to approach the coyote, became scared and started to run. The coyote chased her and bit her on her hip. Some teenage boys 80-100 feet away scared the coyote away. Conservation Officers were unable to locate and remove the coyote.
* April 2000: A coyote nipped a girl on her buttock in a busy city park. There had been frequent reports of the coyote approaching people and being hand fed. A necropsy of the removed coyote found strips of chicken in its stomach.
* January 2000: A 28-year-old male confronted a coyote in a semi-enclosed area beside an apartment building between 2:00 and 3:00 A.M. The coyote had no escape route other than running directly by the man. The coyote ran towards the man (and the exit), the man kicked at the coyote and the coyote bit the man's shoe before running past him. No medical treatment was sought.




Causes of Child Hospitalization in B.C.
Causes Of Children Hospitalization in British Columbia Cause of Injury Age Group Number
Per Year
Hot substances 4 and under 104

Accidental Poisoning 4 and under 205

Motor Vehicle Accident as a Pedestrian 9 and under 50

Motor Vehicle Accident as a Passenger 14 and under 164

Bicycle Accidents (Not Including Motor Vehicle) 14 and under 292

Struck By Object 14 and under 392
Falls 14 and under 2125

Dog Bites All ages 88

Statistics from British Columbia Ministry of Health:
"Leading Causes of Hospitalization due to Unintentional Injuries..." Project No.: 1999-067
Statistic are an annual average from 1985/86 to 1992/93 from British Columbia Ministry of Health. Hospitalizations (Excluding Emergency Room Visits) due to Dog Bites. (E906.0)
 

Ron in Regina

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My Tenants have two Cats and they're indoor Cats. Out on my
Brothers Acreage, we lose about a dozen or so Cats each year
to Eagles, Coyotes, Foxes, Owls, etc...the Cats out there learn
to look for predators in three dimensions, or they don't last long.
We don't have Ravens this far south, but they're very effective
predators to Cats.

The Cats help keep the Mice in check, and everything but the
Dogs seem to like eating Cats.
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My cats are indoor cats BECAUSE I lost one to a coyote.

I worry about my dog becoming coyote food. She's smallish. Schnauzer.

I also worry that an eagle might decide she's a furred salmon. Imagine the uproar if I demanded they be shot on sight?
Probably more in the U.S. than in Canada. A few years ago while I was on a fishing trip up the coast I, saw a Bald Eagle absolutely destroyed by a Peregrine Falcon. I can only assume that the eagle was too close to the falcon's nest because it was just lazily gliding along when it was hit by a falcon diving from above. I didn't see the falcon at first but all of a sudden there was eagle feathers all over the place. The falcon backed and gained some altitude to do it again. There was another hit and another bunch of feathers and the eagle was obviously injured. The falcon hit the eagle one more time and the eagle fell straight down and splashed into the water. What was surprising, was that the falcon was a much smaller bird. I had heard stories about falcons taking out eagles but this is the only time I ever saw it.
 

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In a past couple of weeks a small part of Toronto known as The Beaches have been terrorized by a coyote roaming the ravine behind the high priced homes where a number of cats and small dogs have gone missing.

A week ago a man witnessed in horror when his small dog who was in the backyard watch helplessly when the coyote hopped the fence and grab his little dog and jumped the fence running into the ravine, the man did get a picture of it with his cell phone camera before the sudden attack.

Toronto’s gutless mayor and his councilors are refusing to do anything and are telling the residents not to use their backyards until the coyote leaves the area.

This means that the city of Toronto will not act until a human baby is taken and eaten.

Toronto wants to raise property taxes four percent for doing nothing.

The mayor of Toronto is a staunch NDP supporter, which gives you an idea what the federal NDP would do if they ever got into power, nothing

Killing one coyote isn't going to get rid of coyotes anywhere, they live all
around vancouver and the u.b.c. area as well, I don't hear anyone whining
and complaining about them, they are part of life on earth, as we are, and
we have to accept that, and coyotes are not particular vicious against humans.
Just don't leave your very little children playing unattended in the outdoors,
and one shouldn't do that anyway, even if there was no coyotes.
 

Twila

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Killing one coyote isn't going to get rid of coyotes anywhere, they live all
around vancouver and the u.b.c. area as well, I don't hear anyone whining
and complaining about them, they are part of life on earth, as we are, and
we have to accept that, and coyotes are not particular vicious against humans.
Just don't leave your very little children playing unattended in the outdoors,
and one shouldn't do that anyway, even if there was no coyotes.

We see and hear them here (Surrey, BC) all the time. We had one cross the path ahead of us about 10 ft at Tynehead park last weekend. I'd prefer to keep them myself. Just like I like having black bears, and eagles, and ravens, and salmon, and squirrels, and skunks around. It's nature. It's beautiful.

My daughters elementary school was warned to not pet the coyotes. She'd never seen them and was worried she'd mistake a coyote for a dog.

We saw one on the front lawn of a house across from her elementary school and low and behold there was a lady with her young son (maybe 4yrs old) looking at it. As I stepped out of my car, she had her hand out towards the coyotes. I was about to tell her to Stop when she turned and asked me if it was a dog. This is the reason coyote bite. Stupid people. There she was with her young son trying to pet the "dog". Coyotes look nothing like domestic dogs.
 

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Why not set a trap for the coyote - People to often when no action is taken do the same dammed thing - Hungry coyote - easy to get.
 

Goober

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Well you can be stupid or you can be smart - When there is only 1 witnesss, who is telling the truth??
 

Risus

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I used to live in "The Beaches" (the title swanky houses is overrated) and walk the ravine pretty much every day. There are more than a couple of coyotes there as there are racoons, feral cats, skunks, a deer once... They would hop the fence all the time to get at the trash



The point is... so?

Personally, I think its a cool thing to see wildlife within the city limits...
 

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It's true. Town's and cities don't do **** until someone get's hurt. Same with my small town Shediac in NEw Brusnwick. When I was living there these foxes were attacking the cats in the neighbourhood. Nobody did a thing. If it was a kid, I'm sure there would be a response...
 

talloola

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It's true. Town's and cities don't do **** until someone get's hurt. Same with my small town Shediac in NEw Brusnwick. When I was living there these foxes were attacking the cats in the neighbourhood. Nobody did a thing. If it was a kid, I'm sure there would be a response...

They are attacking for 'food', they aren't interested in eating a child, maybe
if someone left a new baby lying around close to the bushes they might be
tempted, but I would hope parents have a little more sense than that.
 

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I am with Twila, Spade, Mr. Wolf, et al. Humans are NOT the only critters entitled to live on this planet and if we had more respect for the other critters we'd all be an awful lot better off. So far, pretty much all we've done has been to take a wonderful mechanism that we call nature and mess it up severely.
To put it in a nutshell, wild creatures are usually only interested in one thing; FOOD. Remove the food or make it impossible to get at, and they will go look elsewhere. DUH!!
 
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talloola

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I am with Twila, Spade, Mr. Wolf, et al. Humans are NOT the only critters entitled to live on this planet and if we had more respect for the other critters we'd all be an awful lot better off. So far, pretty much all we've done has been to take a wonderful mechanism that we call nature and mess it up severely.
To put it in a nutshell, wild creatures are usually only interested in one thing; FOOD. Remove the food or make it impossible to get at, and they will go look elsewhere. DUH!!

That's about it Gil, we are responsible for the care of the animals, (with our
hi intelligence,), I have my doubts about that too. Instead of worrying about
how they will hurt us, we should worry about how they will continue 'their' existence 'inspite' of us.
 

Tyr

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My cats are indoor cats BECAUSE I lost one to a coyote.

I worry about my dog becoming coyote food. She's smallish. Schnauzer.

I also worry that an eagle might decide she's a furred salmon. Imagine the uproar if I demanded they be shot on sight?

I worry about my dog becoming coyote food. She's smallish. Schnauzer.

"she's" the operative word. Coyote pups....