The steps to belief (or disbelief)

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eanassir

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Scott Free said:
Q: Who is your god?
I don't have one.​

Q: Is there any afterlife or not?
Not.
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Then you are like the date-seed cast on a desert, or like a sheep without any shepherd.
Therefore, the idolater is better; because he knows God: his Creator, but he assigns some equals and associates with Him.

Moreover, do you think that you will become dust and everything will end, and no life will follow immediately after death? How can you assert this?

Can't there be another spiritual life just following death? How can you be sure?
If there is such life, what will your fate be?
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This is in the Quran 51: 10-12​
قُتِلَ الْخَرَّاصُونَ . الَّذِينَ هُمْ فِي غَمْرَةٍ سَاهُونَ . يَسْأَلُونَ أَيَّانَ يَوْمُ الدِّينِ . ذُوقُوا فِتْنَتَكُمْ هَذَا الَّذِي كُنتُم بِهِ تَسْتَعْجِلُونَ ​
The explanation:
(Cursed be 'those liars who insist on their falsehood."
That are unaware, being immersed [in the sea of ignorance.]

They ask: "When is the Day of Judgment?"

The day when they will be punished by the fire.
[Then the punishment-angels will say to them:] "Suffer your punishment! This is [the chastisement] that [in the World] you were seeking to hasten.")​

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Scott Free said:
I was going to say something about the absurdity of posting ancient fables as proof but then I remembered you think the devil lives in your nose. :roll:
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The ayat of the Quran that I mentioned are not the ancient fables; but you didn't contemplate the word of God.

And I never said the devil lives in the nose!!

But the devil is beside you, suggesting to you, mocking you, and made for you a firm trap and you knowingly went into his trap; to let the disbelievers admire you; and even the disbelievers are mocking you.
 
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eanassir said:
The ayat of the Quran that I mentioned are not the ancient fables; but you didn't contemplate the word of God.

And I never said the devil lives in the nose!!

But the devil is beside you, suggesting to you, mocking you, and made for you a firm trap and you knowingly went into his trap; to let the disbelievers admire you; and even the disbelievers are mocking you.
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The devil, as you choose to call it, is only one's conscious guiding you one way or
another, how you choose each time is your choice alone, nothing coming from
anywhere else, unless of course it's your partner or parents giving advice.
Devils, easter bunnies, santa clause, gee, at least the ground hog is real, with
a little fun added to it.
 
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Spade said:
I shouldn't interfere in the discussion, but the belief in an afterlife leads to bizarre, counter-instinctive, and criminal acts (such as suicide bombings) and allows governing elites to pacify the oppressed with the promise of a reward in heaven.
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It isn't a belief in an afterlife that does that. It is the promise of the reward. You are confusing the two.
 
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eanassir said:
The ayat of the Quran that I mentioned are not the ancient fables; but you didn't contemplate the word of God.

And I never said the devil lives in the nose!!

But the devil is beside you, suggesting to you, mocking you, and made for you a firm trap and you knowingly went into his trap; to let the disbelievers admire you; and even the disbelievers are mocking you.
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Nice try, Muhammad said the devil lives in your nose.


  • Satan urinates in a sleeping man's ears when he does not get up for prayer...(Sahih Bukhari, 2.21.245)
  • The devil urinates on the ears of a man who sleeps the whole night till dawn…(Sahih Muslim, 4.1700)
  • The devil spends the night in the interior of your nose; so clean your nose after sleep…(Sahih Muslim, 2.0462, 046 8)
  • When anyone of you goes to sleep, the devil ties three knots at the back of his neck…(Sahih Muslim, 4.1702)
  • If you have more bed than required, except the bed kept for a guest, then that extra bed is for Satan…(Sahih Muslim, 24.5190)
  • Satan is let loose with the sinking of the sun until the darkest part of the night is over…23.499
  • During sleep Satan plays with your private parts…(Sunaan ibn Majah, 1.337)
  • Satan plays with private parts of children…(Mishkat, 1.187) [HEY!! Just like Muhammad!]

:lol:
 
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eanassir said:
Then you are like the date-seed cast on a desert, or like a sheep without any shepherd.
Therefore, the idolater is better; because he knows God: his Creator, but he assigns some equals and associates with Him.

Moreover, do you think that you will become dust and everything will end, and no life will follow immediately after death? How can you assert this?

Can't there be another spiritual life just following death? How can you be sure?
If there is such life, what will your fate be?
man-after-death.t35.com

This is in the Quran 51: 10-12​
قُتِلَ الْخَرَّاصُونَ . الَّذِينَ هُمْ فِي غَمْرَةٍ سَاهُونَ . يَسْأَلُونَ أَيَّانَ يَوْمُ الدِّينِ . ذُوقُوا فِتْنَتَكُمْ هَذَا الَّذِي كُنتُم بِهِ تَسْتَعْجِلُونَ ​
The explanation:
(Cursed be 'those liars who insist on their falsehood."
That are unaware, being immersed [in the sea of ignorance.]

They ask: "When is the Day of Judgment?"

The day when they will be punished by the fire.
[Then the punishment-angels will say to them:] "Suffer your punishment! This is [the chastisement] that [in the World] you were seeking to hasten.")​

man-after-death.t35.com
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Empty assertions. You have no proof just the words of a lunatic paedophile.
 
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Quoting Cannuck "The concept of heaven and hell (and hence reward and punishment)are not necessarily tied to the afterlife."

How is that? If you would explain clearly in few lines in summary!
 
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Scott Free said in reply #86
Muhammad said the devil lives in your nose.


  • Satan urinates in a sleeping man's ears when he does not get up for prayer...(Sahih Bukhari, 2.21.245)
  • The devil urinates on the ears of a man who sleeps the whole night till dawn…(Sahih Muslim, 4.1700)
  • The devil spends the night in the interior of your nose; so clean your nose after sleep…(Sahih Muslim, 2.0462, 046 :cool:
  • When anyone of you goes to sleep, the devil ties three knots at the back of his neck…(Sahih Muslim, 4.1702)
  • If you have more bed than required, except the bed kept for a guest, then that extra bed is for Satan…(Sahih Muslim, 24.5190)
  • Satan is let loose with the sinking of the sun until the darkest part of the night is over…23.499
  • During sleep Satan plays with your private parts…(Sunaan ibn Majah, 1.337)
  • Satan plays with private parts of children…(Mishkat, 1.187) [HEY!! Just like Muhammad!]
These are some prophetic traditions; i.e. words ascribed to the prophet that he said such words; which needs some checking: some of them may be true or false and fabricated. These are not the ayat of the Quran, which is infallible, and no falsehood may corrupt it in the past or in the future.

Moreover, there are some language idioms and expressions that may be interpreted wrongly.

In addition, the Quran and the Prophet of God Mohammed - salam be to him - warned of the devil and his serious enmity to sons of man or sons of Adam.

The devil comes to man from his left one time, another time from his right side, another time from behind or from before him to hinder man from going to prayer and from every righteous work.

So when you sleep, he starts to suggest to you many things, to let man forget mentioning his Lord, and to show him false dreams.

Then when man awakes, he suggests to him many vain and trivial things to let him forget praising his Lord.

Then when any man forget about mentioning his Lord with gratitude and glorification, the devil will drag him step by step, until he gets complete control on the disbeliever and guide him to oppose God, his Lord Who bestowed on him all blessings and favors, and to oppose the prophet and the Quran, and to spread lies and confusions; in order that such a disbeliever will be a loser.
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This is about what Scott Free said in reply #86

http://man-after-death.t35.com/1.htm#Devils_
These are some prophetic traditions; i.e. words ascribed to the prophet that he said such words; which needs some checking: some of them may be true or false and fabricated. These are not the ayat of the Quran, which is infallible, and no falsehood may corrupt it in the past or in the future.

Moreover, there are some language idioms and expressions that may be interpreted wrongly.

In addition, the Quran and the Prophet of God Mohammed - salam be to him - warned of the devil and his serious enmity to sons of man or sons of Adam.

The devil comes to man from his left one time, another time from his right side, another time from behind or from before him to hinder man from going to prayer and from every righteous work.

So when you sleep, he starts to suggest to you many things, to let man forget mentioning his Lord, and to show him false dreams.

Then when man awakes, he suggests to him many vain and trivial things to let him forget praising his Lord.

Then when any man forget about mentioning his Lord with gratitude and glorification, the devil will drag him step by step, until he gets complete control on the disbeliever and guide him to oppose God, his Lord Who bestowed on him all blessings and favors, and to oppose the prophet and the Quran, and to spread lies and confusions; in order that such a disbeliever will be a loser.
man-after-death.t35.com/1.htm#Devils_
 
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Spade said:
I agree, but that is not the widely-held belief in Canada among Christian adherents.
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Why didn't you say so? If we are talking about Christian adherents in Canada, then your comment...

"but the belief in an afterlife leads to bizarre, counter-instinctive, and criminal acts (such as suicide bombings) and allows governing elites to pacify the oppressed with the promise of a reward in heaven."

...is even more baseless.
 
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...is even more baseless.


So what exactly do you believe in at all?

Nothing?


You do seem to spit at everything but never put forward your own position.

Are you just a belittling prick?
 
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